CRASH beats out BROKEBACK, that's political

[Divine Discontent]

the bastards...


can't dare give it to a gay film, oh no... gotta go with the lame movie that many who have seen it are not overly impressed with.

I've heard from many people over & over in the past two weeks that they were going to shy away from the gay film. I doubted them.



They were right.



In 10 years CRASH is not going to be a movie America remembers and transcends theatre.


Brokeback will.


I am ashamed of the Academy for this smear campaign that was talked about that I discounted as an attempt to get us to watch the Oscars...

IT ACTUALLY OCCURED, maybe that's why so many people were talking about it, because they knew it was going on.

I'm pissed off by this. I pray to my God for Brokeback to touch even more people by this travesty somehow. The film is talked about millions of times a day,

CRASH IS NOT.

[jseankil]

1. Brokeback Mountain really wasn't good, Crash was, political my ass.

wah wah wah. I suppose some would have said that if Crash didnt win it would have been a race issue.

[Divine Discontent]

12. not at all.

I spend more time in movie making forums, and general cinema websites discussing all things related to film making.

Brokeback has been massively talked about for such a long time, and literally had people in shock after it came out, who attended the showings of it.

It has become such a fixture of daily talk shows, water coolers, and late night jokes that to say this movie wasn't the best picture out of the choices presented is HOGWASH.

The same thing happened to Saving Private Ryan, when Shakespeare in Love won. The previous was far more memorable. The same is true for Brokeback. You didn't see a line of critics writing stories in magazines and papers talking about the effect Crash had on audiences like you did for Brokeback.


And finally, I received a notice from an insider who said many older Oscar voters were not watching Brokeback because watching two men get sexually involved on screen offended them, now you tell me that isn't a smear campaign. The right wingers didn't want a gay film with normal 'cowboy' characters to be the best picture.

To say this is anything other than what is obvious, is ludicrous. What appears to be the most logical answer - is! This film won nearly EVERY award from all the major critic circles, but not the OSCAR.

That's okay, ten years from now we'll still be talking about Brokeback and the incredible directing by Ang Lee and the heartbreaking story about love lost. Crash will dissipate like Shakespeare In Love.

[NYCGirl]

19. Yeah, as you say, I guess it was all those right wingers in Hollywood

who didn't vote for Brokeback Mountain. Must be OVERRUN with right wingers.
:eyes:

[Divine Discontent]

28. you don't know what was going on in the last week of voting for

the Oscars. I won't hold that against you. See my other post since you obviously wanted to come in and comment about this. What I was told weeks ago has come true and the explanation makes total since as a way to get something achieved.

[NYCGirl]

31. Yeah, the four right wingers in Hollywood got together and conspired.

:eyes:

[Divine Discontent]

34. bah!

If you think there are 4 right wingers in Hollywood, you're sadly mistaken, but more importanly, you don't have to be a "right winger" to be anti-gay.

[NYCGirl]

35. Okay, I exaggerated. There's about 8 right wingers in Hollywood.

BTW, I'm a former actor from California.

[Divine Discontent]

39. some of the most anti-gay people are in CA

like I said, you don't have to be a Republican to be anti-gay. In fact, repeat fact, I have 3 somewhat liberal Democratic voting/leaning siblings who are ALLLLLLLLLLLL ---



anti-gay, mock gays, and ridiculed this move and flipped the channel whenever it was being discussed, or was on a commercial. There's a lot of Oscar voters who surely felt the same way.


I rest my case, based on that hatred I see every day, and the insider info I know about the move to push Crash to victory, that secondary info was JUST starting to be discussed about two days ago that Crash was being and might overtake Brokeback, out of nowhere.

Thanks for your jokes and I wish you well fellow lib.

[FreedomAngel82]

52. Did you even see "Crash"??

Or are you just dissing? As I mentioned I saw the movie in my sociology class and it was brilliant. I really enjoyed it. The theme of the movie (sterotyping and rascism) and just how the whole film was done was very beautifully done. I haven't seen "Brokeback Moutain" yet (probably will when it comes on HBO) but from the previews I have seen it looks like your typical movie. I'm glad they did the film and it was very brave but so was "Crash."

[October]

82. Crash was an awesome film

I'm so glad it won.

Yes, Brokeback got ALL the attention, and I worried Crash would be overlooked.

The gay issues were very well represented.

[smtpgirl]

125. I am gay and saw Crash

Crash was also about racisim too. Haven't seen brokeback, but I will.

Also what about "North Country" Charlize Theron


That was a great movie

[chaz4jazz]

42. I know what was going on - I'M HERE!

There is no conspiracy to not vote for Brokeback Mountain and your "inside information" is so bogus and just some people trying to stir up trouble.

The Golden Globe gave Brokeback the award - judged by the "Hollywood Foreign Press" which is neither Hollywood nor foreign. It;s the best kept secret in Hollywood that the Globes is a popularity contest, in fact most awards are except for DGA and WGA (I am member of both guilds) as well as AMPAS and ATAS (Emmys).

Thank you

Chaz

[QC]

97. You don't have to be a right winger to be a homophobe.

When it come to The Gays, liberals can be as clueless, or even hostile, as anyone else.

There's plenty of proof of that posted at DU today.

[bigluckyfeet]

117. I Read 3 Polls last Night

and the "people" voted for Brokeback to win best picture.

[chaz4jazz]

38. No we won't, unless it will be as to how tame it was

In ten years from now there willhave been 12 gay love stories filmed and many of them will be more daring and touch on more emotional aspects of the "forbidden" love. Brokeback was just an okay film with a daring theme. Crash covered many aspects of race and society and will be remembered.

As a member of the Academy I can tell you from personal experience that there is no unground pressure on who or what to vote for or against. Everyone gets a ballot and votes after seeing most of the films in theaters (free!) or from DVDs (also free). Crash won the WGA award for original screenplay - Brokeback for adapted. Unfortunately, there is no original or adapted catagories in best picture.

Ang Lee won because he did a marvelous job on Brokeback, but also, as it happens in Oscars, he was overlooked or lost earlier and was awarded best Director over Paul Haggis who was nominated for the first time. Haggis, we should remember, comes from TV (created Family Law, Due South, as well having been a sit-com writer, etc.) Being from TV is sometimes a handicap when it comes to Oscars. Haggis was nominated last year for Million Dollar Baby after finding the short story among a group of boxing stories by FX Toole and sold the deal to Clint Eastwood.

Kudos to Haggis and Crash, the best film of 2006

[Divine Discontent]

45. who do you know? Because I know a few people myself and

the gossip of a Crash surge was initiated by the anti-BBM crowd to find a common movie they could rally around to push it out of the obvious choice as best picture winner. So, I wonder if, without giving your opinion first, has anyone talked about the push and what it meant to them?


Brokeback was blackballed to a "throw em a bone" victory for director, and won NONE of the major 5 awards that everyone talks about. The director award is voted for by DIRECTORS, and that explains everything IIIIIIIIIIII need to know.

BBM was easily best picture of 2005.


Thanks for your post, it's good to see we've got some well connected folks on here.


JIMMY KIMMEL right after the Oscar show -
"the oscars were so gay that their thinking of changing the name to the tony's"

"people think it's just FUNNNNNY if you talk about two men having a relationship" said a gay man in a video Kimmel showed, and Jimmy Kimmel followed it up with, "and yet, I can't stop LAUGHING about it!" to laughter

yeah, it's fuckin hilarious.

[NYCGirl]

46. So you're saying that Kimmel is homophobic? NT

[Divine Discontent]

48. I'm saying that

Kimmel uses homosexuality as a JOKE every damn chance he gets, as do a lot of lame ass "comediens".

He can be pro gay or whatever in his private life, but his comments NIGHTLY are not okay. They mock being gay, and the use of his sidekick on the show, Guillermo, as always being GAY, is pathetic.


Anything you can do to get laughs is Jimmy's mantra, he makes more gay jokes than even Conan O'Brien.

[FreedomAngel82]

55. News flash buddy

THEY'RE COMEDIANS! They laugh at everything. They'd laugh if their pet got hurt.

[Divine Discontent]

59. annnnnnnnnnnnnnhhhh wrong answer

he said just thinking of two men having a relationship makes him laugh.


what if he had said, "just thinking of two Jews falling in love makes me laugh"


"two atheists falling in love makes me laugh"


etc... etc...

there's two groups you can mock without even making a joke in our society - overweight people and gay people. I'm sorry you can't see that and excuse their bigotry as being "comediens".

[NYCGirl]

62. I take it you've never seen Kimmel's girlfriend, Sarah Silverman.

Kimmel's comedy is like a pinprick to her bloodbath.

[Divine Discontent]

67. I know who she is

and her comedy is acidic, yes. I don't like her at all. The harshness in her act is why she's not on ABC late night like he is. Thanks for connecting the two for me, I didn't know that.

[Divine Discontent]

70. sir,

We're NOT discussing the award for best picture 10 years from now. BBM was the BP, had the most profound effect on audiences and if you're saying you didn't know about the rush campaign to push Crash, then you're not in the loop. And I don't believe the people I know hard stirring up anything, they've been discussing this LONG before the Oscars were handed out.

"Kudos to Haggis and Crash, the best film of 2006"

Well the award is for the best picture of 2005, and your arguments are revealing and now seem weakened by that error, so, Kudos to BBM - the best film of 2005!

[djg21]

121. I don't buy it.

The fact that it was controversial and shocking to some, and took on a subject that has largely been taboo in mainstream fils, does not make it a great film. Yet these very attributes made it a "fixture of daily talk shows, water coolers, and late night jokes."

IMO, Brokeback was overhyped, and putting aside subject matter, not near as good of a film as Crash. A good film? sure. A great film? no. A better film than Crash? Not close in my opinion. IMO, the right film one Best Pic.

[Jack from Charlotte]

122. The 2 best movie this year: Eurotrip and School of Rock...... They were...

both great. Jack Black was super. I count the year a movie comes out as when I actualy SEE the movie. And since I see everything on my big Sony HDTV with surround sound in my den on HBO or Cinemax or one of the other 30 movie channels I get on Direct Tv.... those are the 2 best movies of the year, IMO.

[smtpgirl]

126. School of Rock

ROCKED, I have the DVD and have watched that movie at least 4 times

[spooky3]

2. I didn't see Brokeback, but I saw Crash and I thought it was excellent

It dealt with a very important topic and was fascinating. I will certainly remember it many years from now.

Hard to view its winning awards as a "travesty."

[Divine Discontent]

15. that's great

I'm glad Crash effected you, it's not that it's a bad film. I'm just saying that Brokeback has become the most discussed AND (together) highly reviewed film of 2005, and to not give it Best Picture is a JOKE.

[FreedomAngel82]

57. And "Crash" wasn't?

:eyes: Just because people talk about it doesn't mean shit.

[sendero]

99. The criteria..

... for getting an Oscar is NOT that it is "talked about". I haven't seen BB, so I won't comment on its artistic merits, I will say very simply, "controversy does not equal quality or merit".

Personally, I would have loved to have seen BB win, just to put the fundie nutcakes in a fit of apoplexy, but I have heard from folks I trust that Crash is a great film.

All in all I was happy with the Oscar presentation last night (I taped and havent seen all of it yet). There was a theme about the state of the country and the role film has had in the past, and I like it.

[bluestateguy]

3. No it's not

Crash was a fine movie, and arguably a liberal movie that made people think and made people feel uncomfortble about issues of race. It was a well done film and a worthy winner.

[darkism]

4. Amen. That was such bullshit.

Last year's "Crash" can't hold a candle to Cronenberg's film of the same name.

Brokeback instantly became an American cinematic classic. Crash most definitely is not.

[FreedomAngel82]

58. Did you even see the movie?

[smtpgirl]

127. The Crash with Sanrda Bullock & James Spader

That was a great movie too

I stand corrected

Crash Holly Hunter & James Spader

[JDPriestly]

I loved Crash. It deals with intolerance just as Brokeback

Mountain does. Crash is a very L.A. film, and the Academy members are mostly Angelenos. Crash spoke to us. It's about living in one of the most diverse cities in the world. Brokeback got a lot of awards. Don't be so bitter.

Wasn't the Meryl Streep, Lily Tomlin bit great. Jon Stewart was fantastic, but Streep and Tomlin stole the show for me.

[MuseRider]

18. That is what I have heard.

I wanted Brokeback to win in the worst way but then I have not seen Crash, it probably won't ever make it here. I heard that it was very good and spoke to important issues so I am glad it won though disappointed personally.

I thought this was a good show tonight. I rarely have watched so closely but tonight, because of Jon and because it seemed most of the movies were very high caliber I watched.

[Divine Discontent]

33. great point about it being an "LA" movie. wise comment, I concede that

ALSO had an effect here, though not as powerful as what my film industry insiders are going to be talking primarily about tomorrow! The rumors of the push for Crash, is a fantastic way for anyone against BBM to gang up and push Crash to victory. The right wingers got what they wanted. The evangelicals will be praising "God" all week for this, and I guarantee it'll make Rush all.


Again, congrats to Crash, but it was not, and will not be remembered for being, the best picture of the year.

good night y'all. thanks for your opinions, that what I was hoping for.

[Name removed]

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[Divine Discontent]

74. sorry you can't read between the gays

oh sorry, lines. and see what is at the heart of BBM, it's not just a gay film. what a weak slam on the heart of what it stands for (if you don't get it, I'm not going to waste my time explaining). You obviously are in love with Crash.

Jimmy (who follwed the Oscars) is now making two straight men perform as the gay characters in brokeback mountain as if it's hilarious that two men - HA - love one another - HA.



good Lord, the immaturity. hee hee... the two guys are acting like they're gay! hee hee.. that's SOOOOOOOOOOOOO funny.


how that's funny is beyond me. again, if it was two blacks, two Jews, two Indians, it would be attacked by a lot more people.


it's like 10 year old boys laughing at hearing the word "penis" in health class.

America is so fucking behind the world in decency. Shoot your guns and shop at wal-mart...

[Starbucks Anarchist]

92. Actually, "Crash" also won original screenplay and editing.

So three Oscars overall.

[FreedomAngel82]

63. Loved Meryl Streep!

She was great. Love her on the "West Wing." I'm going to miss that show. :cry: And yes. "Brokeback Mountain" got tons of awards as did "Geisha Girl." "Crash" only got one!

[silverweb]

5. Actually...

I was shocked that Crash won, too, but in a way I'm glad. Brokeback has been talked about since before it hit theaters, but a lot of people might never even have heard of Crash without the Academy Awards.

I saw Crash and loved it. I think its message is at least as important and as valid as that of Brokeback Mountain, and more universal.

Can't please everyone, of course.

[serryjw]

20. Go figure?

I reversed it and thought BBM would get best pic and Paul Haggis for Crash would get best director. I saw BBM and Munich ( thought it was a great film) but not crash. My friend the director didn't love BBM and the directing ( he's gay). Remember ONLY directors vote for best director and the entire academy votes for best movie.

[silverweb]

32. Go figure, is right.

:D

I'm not much of a moviegoer and generally wait for things to come out on DVD. I have seen Crash and haven't seen BBM or Munich yet for that reason alone.

The only nominees tonight that I actually saw in a theater were March of the Penguins and Good Night and Good Luck, and I'm thrilled that they were both winners.

I think Crash, rather than being just about racism and tolerance (not that they aren't important), was about how our lives are interconnected in ways that we can't begin to see or imagine until circumstances demonstrate that fact to us.

The Wombat knows what I mean.

[serryjw]

54. We must have the same taste

I also saw (and loved) March of the Penquins,GNGL...also saw Syriana & Munich. I think Crash is to heavy for me considering the present climate

[silverweb]

90. Maybe...

Maybe not. Crash is pretty intense, but it has a lot of hope. I'm betting you'd like it.

[serryjw]

119. Maybe...there are so many movies I still

want to see. Someday I will rent it.

[Debs]

113. That is exactly so

It was also about the complexity of life, how good people sometimes do bad things and bad people sometimes do good things. Personally I thought it was the best movie I have seen in several years

[silverweb]

118. Agreed!

I did forget to mention that part, but you're quite correct. I even remember now saying something similar to my daughter at the time we watched it together:

No one is pure. We all have both good and bad capabilities, and all we can do is keep trying to learn from our own mistakes and others'.

It's a good way to remember to rein in our ever-ready quick judgements of others, as well as to learn to forgive others and ourselves.

[FreedomAngel82]

60. And more people can relate to "Crash" than "Brokeback Mountain"

Not everyone will experience what the people in "Brokeback Mountain" did. I was rooting for Michelle Williams when she was up for an award because I'm a fan of hers and think she's a great actress even though I haven't seen the film. More people can relate to "Crash" because it deals with rascism and sterotyping people. Everyone experiences sterotyping. I've experienced and I'm sure my next door neighbors have too. It's a universal theme where as gay people and dealing with what happened with "Brokeback Mountain" not many people can relate to it. I'm sure large numbers of people do, and it was a brave film to do as well, but just your average person can understand and deal with the theme in "Crash." And during these times it's an even more important film than "Brokeback Mountain" because of all the sterotyping people give with people of brown skin and automatically thinking they're Muslim and causing them grief and pain etc. It's a wonderful universal film.

[KaryninMiami]

68. I totally agree with you and Ang Lee won for Brokeback and

they won best adaptation from a book so Brokeback did fine and will continue to get lots of hype which it deserves. But I think that Brokeback already really made it to critical mass. Crash on the other hand, now has an opportunity to do the same thing. Both are excellent films and both have important messages in their stories. Bravo to both. And I'm glad George Clooney one for something - he's wonderful and what he said was terrific.

[Divine Discontent]

72. great post, I agree that this may get more people to watch them afterall.

your point stands. Clooney WON because he's cool and that's all that matters, but I though Giamatti would. Go Georgie :)

[silverweb]

91. Amen to that!

Bravo to both films, and bravo to George Clooney for his great talent, and his wise and wonderful words.

[GrumpyGreg]

6. Hey,they gave it to that awful"Titanic"---The Oscars are meaningless !

[marmar]

7. It did win Best Director, so it's not all bad...

I agree that Brokeback was a better picture than Crash (Munich actually would have been my choice for best picture) but I couldn't 100 percent say they shied away from it because of the gay theme.

[Divine Discontent]

26. knowing what I know, though, marmar, well, read this please

There were many Oscar voters who would not screen the film, because they didn't want to watch two men in a LOVE story, and the gossip was that there was a rush to push Crash forward as the winner for that sole reason, towards the deadline, SO they "ganged up" is the best way for me to say it and be understood, and hoped to make Crash the winner. When I hear rumors coming from these insiders it means something. Therefore, when they (voters) start saying "Crash" is surging, that tells ALLLLLLL the other Anti-Brokeback voters to VOTE for Crash so they can group the votes together so it will hopefully lose out, as it did.


Sorry for sounding so cynical and ticked about Crash, it's just not as good as Brokeback, imo, if it was better for you, great. But, I tell you this, because of the campaign to push Crash forward, I would think that less than 15% of votes went to the other 3 contenders. I'm sure many are shocked in the voting group, and they know EXACTLY why and how it occured.

[marmar]

30. No, re-read my post...

I agree that Brokeback is a better picture than Crash. "Munich" actually would have been my choice for best picture. And I hadn't heard that about Oscar voters - I wouldn't be surprised, but I figured if there was one place where a gay theme would be a non-issue, it would be Oscar night. But I suppose there's plenty of homophobia there too.

[Divine Discontent]

37. I got what you mean. all were well received, one stood out n/t

[chaz4jazz]

132. Brokeback won best screenplay (adapted) as well

It won best director and best screenplay. There's always been a part of Hollywood that despises when best director doesn't get best picture. Obviously that thinking goes: if the best picture is the best picture, who made it the best picture? The director. Ergo, the idrector should win best director if his picture wins.

I don't agree with that. First of all, the director is "responsible" for picture, but many hands are involved. With that kind of thinking, best screenplay should also win best picture. After all, it was the best blueprint for the picture. So why not just pick the best picture first anbd hand out oscars to the writer and director of that picture and wipe your hands of it?

Because, the best written screenplay may not turn out to be the best picture thanks to the director and maybe some dumbass studio executives. You know, the writers in the academy (and the Writers Guild for that matter) vote for best screenply and only the writers vote for it - and they get to actually READ the script, not just see the director's vision played out.

What is interesting is that CRASH also won best screenplay (not best director, but it could have). BBM also won best screenplay and best director. It was deinitely a toss up of those two films to be chosen.

The notion that Ang Lee was thrown a "bone" while the picture was tossed aside is ludicrous. The directors vote for director and they gave him the DGA award as well. They probably voted for BBM, too. But they are only a small fraction of the Academy voters. Many people really like CRASH from its release.

I think it was a crap shoot. The fact that the media all seemed super surprised that it won only tells me they're the same guys who've been giving GWB a free ride these past 5 years - and see no wrong.

Good luck everyone. Next year, hopefully, we'll be watching an oscar show where the opening act will parody the final days of W nerd and his minions. Maybe Dennis Hasert will make a guest appearance as POTUS (if he's also not in jail with Delay).

Ciao

[northzax]

136. and deservedly so

it was beautifully shot. Ang Lee deserved the award, and the cinemetographer got robbed, it was lush and gorgeous. But Crash was a better movie, as a whole.

[confrontationclaws]

8. Saw Brokeback, not Crash...

and I read this morning that no film in the last twenty years won best picture that was not nominated for editing as well. I really liked Brokeback, but any serious film fan has to admit it was edited not just "below academy level" but was amateurishly cut.

[jtb33]

9. Crash DEFINITELY deserved to win

It was TEN TIMES the story that Brokeback Mountain was. Crash had the ENORMOUS handicap of being released in 2004 which means that it was WELL out of the spotlight, unlike Brokeback and Capote.

Crash definitely deserved it.

[kurth]

16. Brokeback Mountain has limited appeal. Crash is a GREAT movie

BTW Just because some people don't think Brokeback Mountain is a great movie doesn't mean they're anti-gay.

[Divine Discontent]

65. where did I ever say that, and

you can't say, "well it sounds like you're saying that". If someone has watched it and didn't like it, that's fine.


THERE WERE PEOPLE VOTING WOULDN'T EVEN SCREEN IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T APPROVE OF HOMOSEXUALITY.


I commend the subject matter of Crash, it doesn't transcend what's been done in cinema since the Oscars have started being handed out, in the manner BBM has done.

[Divine Discontent]

75. and thanks for making my point

that BBM has limited appeal. that's why they wouldn't even screen the movie.

again, 3 Democrats in my own family are homophobic and turn the channel at the sign of anything gay, especially the serious nature of BBM. "they choose to do that" one said.

I see why Crash one. It'll be SOMEWHAT be another Shakespeare in Love/Saving Private Ryan situation in ten years, so I don't care, good night.

[northzax]

137. hey, I don't like love stories

I think cinema can show much more important societal themes. I say BBM, but I didn't really love it. Sure, it was powerful, but it wasn't great (I don't want to sit through it again) and that's not because I'm homophobic, I don't really want to see any movies about love stories, I don't care who the protagonists are.

[Divine Discontent]

56. you think they're going to gang up and vote against BBM

that somehow the collective anti-gay, anti-women, anti-Jew groups are going to gang up against the gay film with ANOTHER gay film, Capote? A Jewish film? pleaseeeeee... and Good Night and Good Luck was the weakest of the five. Crash was the rumored go to movie, and it came true. I know what I need to know, and I can show posts and discussions where this was talked about over and over as what was going to occur. All signs point to what I've been told for weeks now, I just didn't think it would occur.

I'm not naive about anything anymore after this. Everything can be changed with smear campaigns.

[smtpgirl]

129. Movies that I have seen and will see

Have seen Crash, North Country & March of the Penguins

Will see BBM, Syriana & Munich

All are good movies in their own right.

We could be harping on this 2 years ago and have agreed that there were many films that were a "not see"

[qazplm]

10. youve got to be kidding me?

One can always argue with the voting based on personal preferences, but do you seriously think that Hollywood is anti-gay??
That they are right wing sellouts because they dont vote Brokeback as best picture, even as they give multiple nominations and awards to same said movie, to Transamerica, and to Capote??

Yer off yer meds.

[Divine Discontent]

71. you don't accept the mathematical theory behind my other post

a huge block of voters can be for BBM, but a lot, not wanting it to win, simply have to go behind the one they start discussing weeks ago as "surging" to push BBM out of the win. They accomplished their feat, and many voters are anti-gay, whether you can handle that or not.

Again, some of the most anti-gay people are within Hollywood. Sorta like the JOKE of an argument by the Republicans that the media is LIBERAL, we all know it's a BIG lie! A good chunk of the CALI crowd are sick of gay people because they're bigots. ARNIE didn't get in by luck!!!!!!!!!

[Debs]

114. It is impossible to be anti gay

and function in Hollywood. If all the gay people left the film industry they wouldnt be able to make any films except westerns and war movies. Do you think its straight people doing the choreography, set disign, well this list is to self evident and lengthy to keep up with. I lived a looooong time in Southern California, homophobia simply can not flourish in Hollywood

[seabeyond]

11. crash was kick ass. in a lot of different ways. crash is a signficant

movie for todays world, as is brokeback. but to say crash is NOT worthy of the oscar i say bullshit. i loved the movie. everyone should have to sit down and watch that movie. i am glad crash got it

[TomClash]

13. I saw four of the five

and Brokeback was the worst of the ones I saw.

[Halliburton]

14. Crash was a great movie

and was worthy of the award

[izzybeans]

17. Take both movies, watch them back to back, you'll see the intent

is the same. You'll learn something about humanity and all its painful contradictions.

[Harry S Truman]

21. Crash will be a classic

in 10 years, Brokeback will be a bad movie on the late show.
It was, though, a total ripoff that Michelle Williams didn't win.
Racheal Weisz? She never acted once in a great movie.

[FreedomAngel82]

69. I do agree there

I was rooting for Williams. She's a great actress and I've been a fan of hers since she was on "Dawson's Creek." She's a wonderful actress and I was so sad she didn't win. I'm glad Reese Witherspoon won an award though. She's one of my favorite's too and has been for years now. :loveya:

[Divine Discontent]

76. WTF?

"brokeback mountain will be a bad movie on the late show"
"a total ripoff that Michelle Williams didn't win"


ummm... the dichotomy there is pathetic on your part.

[QC]

100. In two years, Crash will be a Lifetime Movie of the Week. n/t

[Puglover]

103. Crash will be occupying

the 9.99 aisle at Best Buy in a year. A classic....

:rofl:

[ruggerson]

22. Brokeback is seminal, Crash is not

it's that simple.

And the OP is correct, the Academy is largely 60 and 70 year old very traditional types, who felt safe voting for Crash but couldn't bring themselves to vote for the "gay cowboy" flick.

Regardless, Brokeback will be around in twenty years, Crash is largely a derivative movie, one we have seen before a number of times.

[Divine Discontent]

77. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Their ages are VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS! n/t

[joshcryer]

88. LOL, as if there haven't been dozens of gay movies...

...c'mon. I've seen at least a dozen gay movies in this SAME VEIN as Brokeback Mountian. You gotta be kidding me. It is NOT, I repeat, NOT some new thing. It's just that someone had $14 million dollars to throw at the theme.

[RubyDuby in GA]

23. What the hell was that?!?!?!?

Crash??? Are you fucking kidding me???? What a pretentious bunch of bullshit! Oh racism is so bad.... yeah we get it.

I can't believe that people took this movie seriously, much less thought that is was an Oscar caliber film. There is no way is should have even been nominated, much less actually winning.

I hope the Academy doesn't strain itself patting itself on the back for letting the world know that it thinks racism is so bad.

At least they got the song right.....

On edit: Munich deserved to win it. It is an all encompassing film. Epic in it's scale. That is what a Best Picture should be like. Not some candy ass script that should be an after school special.

[Divine Discontent]

78. RUBY, WOWWWWWWW

you nailed that comment. I've heard many say that if BBM didn't win BEST PICTURE it should be Munich, but my arguments as to why they didn't choose it are in one of my many posts. I'm very ticked off, and I believe rightly so. The rumors about this occurring have been around for a while, and it happened. I'm shocked. Your post is brilliant, and thanks for the Munich comment, BBM seemed like a sweeping epic about love lost involving two character types we've NEVER seen, and Munich was of a story not widely discussed in it's short existence.

WE WUZ SQOOOOOD!

[Generator]

112. Yeah I rented it and thought the same thing

It was a little obvious in it's themes, if not downright hackeneyd with the metaphysical bent-which I normally dig.

Here's the deal the movie ends with for those that don't know-We are so disconnected from everyone that we crash our cars into one another just to connect. Yeah, okay.

Also I just don't care about Cowboys. Gay or straight. I don't do Westerns of any kind. Not interested. But I bet the academy would have been if they hadn't been gay, but being gay was the point-not being cowboys. The performances looked a little overacted to me as well from what I saw.

And c'mon is any movie that has Sandra Bullock really Oscar worthy? That's clue number 1.

From just the previews of Munich it looks more riveting than the other two.

[marmar]

24. CONSERVATIVES were the big losers tonight...

All of the Best Picture nominees dealt with topics they don't like to talk about, and there were subtle and not-so-subtle liberal messages all night long. Remember the montage of films with great social impact? Those weren't conservative causes they were promoting...
The arts are always ahead of the rest of the country.

[nevergiveup]

36. I agree

Tolerance won this evening. Brokeback will become the historically significant film of the group but Crash was also very good. We should all be celebrating instead of bickering at each other.

[w8liftinglady]

44. good point...eom

[SushiFan]

25. I'm gay, wanted BBMtn to win, but Crash also bravely took on bigotry! eom

[Divine Discontent]

79. well....

we know what they like to HARP ABOUT DURING ELECTIONS, or is everyone forgetting this? How many GAY RELATED ISSUES WERE ON THE BALLOT STOPPING GAY RIGHTS! Other cultures/races in the US have more civil rights than gays, and BBM went head on against the stereotypes and if you don't think that GAY issues aren't going to be at the forefront of 06, and 08, then it's time to wake up.

The fundies will be JUMPING for JOY that BBM didn't win anything big (director is voted by the directors and doesn't count or matter much to regular people)

[lukasahero]

105. And how many "black cities" suffered from discriminatory voting practices?

Racism isn't gone and holding one discrimination as worse than another doesn't help either cause.

[Puzzler]

27. However...

... I should think that the Right Wing Echo Machine was silently praying for Brokeback Mountain to win. It would have given them lots of mileage out of their usual anti-gay-Hollywood-Liberal-elite talking/ranting points. They all must feel a bit disappointed.


-P

[ruggerson]

29. Actually, they're all delighted

homophobia wins again.

[catmother]

40. i haven't been inside a movie theater since 1975 (exorcist) but

i do rent movies when they come out on DVD. i didn't realize that i had seen crash on a DVD. i have problems with short term memory. it was at the end when they showed the clip that i remembered the cop putting his hand up under the woman's dress and then i remembered sandra bullock (it was a small role and she played a real bitch). anyway i must have rented it from netflix when it came out. it was an interesting movie -- addressed many important issues -- but best movie? i can't say. i haven't seen any of the others yet as they're not out yet on DVD. so i guess i'll have to wait until i see them all.

had i realized that i had seen it i would have been surprised that it was nominated. it wasn't all that great.

[Divine Discontent]

80. EXACTLY!!!

many people have given this film that same "blah" review who have seen it, they though, yeah it's a decent film. a lot of folks were shocked it was nominated for BEST PICTURE OF 2005!

and WINS??????????????? come on, something was up. Rush will be laughing all week.

[sandnsea]

87. And a lot of people thought it was excellent

So why do your lot of people trump my lot of people.

And is this really just about what Rush Limbaugh thinks???

[Journeyman]

41. Ha, ha, ha. Just reading through this thread shows the difficulty. . .

of choosing one film over another, and everyone here is -- presumably -- quite liberal. And despite the liberal nature of DU, we have people in this thread who loved and hated both films, found both films both seminal and derivative, and even a large number who liked both flicks and felt it was difficult to choose one over the other.

So take a deep breath, accept that industry groups are not always going to agree with the general public, and take heart that both films even got made, given the tenor of the times, and that both may have an ameliorative effect on society. And for that, we are all winners.

[Divine Discontent]

81. is this Bill Clinton? lol n/t

[AtomicKitten]

43. I watched Crash again this weekend.

And I predicted it would win. I think it was the superior film.

I don't think this is political. What it is is subjective. I don't understand why people get so emotionally involved in stuff like this.

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

47. Brokeback Mountain is a fine film

but oversentimental, overlong, and too much love of its own cinematography.

Its simply a forbidden love story, told a thousand times in a thousand ways. This time with gay people, historically, different races/castes/economics/politics/families have led to the forbidden love.

Its a good film, but there is nothing remarkable about it, other than Heath Ledger and Michelle Williams brilliant performances.

[Puglover]

104. And Crash is

1. contrived.
2. preachy


It is simple liberal clap trap. The make yourself feel good film because you aren't anything like these monsters. It's been done a 1000 times. It's a good film but nothing great other then Matt Dillon and Thandie Newtons great performances.

Here's a snipet from a very good review of Crash.

"“Crash” is saying “How horrible that we're all this way” when most of us are not only not this way but the exact opposite of this way. We may think these thoughts but we rarely enunciate them. Sure, racism still exists, but at its most potent it's usually silent. It's opaque. It makes you wonder “Is this happening because of race?” You suspect but you have no evidence. “Crash” not only gives us evidence it manipulates the evidence. "




Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

[FreedomAngel82]

49. How do you know?

Where's your proof? I saw "Crash" in my sociology class last week and it was a really great film. I really enjoyed it and they talk about rascism and sterotyping. Have you ever seen the film?

[safi0]

50. The academy

Has always done this, just by recent history, Driving Miss Daisy beating Do The Right Thing which IMO was 100x the travesty that occurred tonight. Or Al Pacino winning in 92 for a A Scent of a Woman when everyone and there momma knew that Denzel should've on for Malcolm X.

[More Than A Feeling]

51. I've seen them both.

Both were good stories, but Crash was much more cleverly done, relying on coincidence the way it did. Just my opinion.

[liam_laddie]

107. On the merits...

BBM is a beautifully-crafted film, but change the gender of one of the leads and it becomes yet
another tale of cheatin' on your mate. I liked the film a lot, but "Crash" told a MUCH more complex
story very effectively, and deserved the blue ribbon, IMHO. This opinion from a 68-year-old hetero, FWIW.
:thumbsup:

[FreedomAngel82]

53. And for the record

"Brokeback Mountain" DID win lots of other awards along with "Geisha Girl."

[GRLMGC]

61. Memoirs of a Geisha

which I actually didn't like at all.

[mtnsnake]

66. Not political. It was Diebold. It was the machines, I tell ya!

If it wasn't for the machines, Brokeback would've won for sure!

Seriously, though, just because Brokeback didn't win doesn't mean they thought it sucked. If it wasn't considered a great movie, it wouldn't have been nominated in the first place.

I suppose the other ones who didn't win think the academy was politically motivated against, them, too. :eyes:

[Odin2005]

73. I didn't find "Brokeback Mountain" Oscar material.

A so-so movie with gay characters is still a so-so movie, elevating it is political correctness to an absurd degree.

[Divine Discontent]

83. well, I think BBM will not be forgotten, and is not so-so

crash was forgotten shortly after it's box office run. I remember the OTHER crash.

and, BBM will sell very well on DVD. The arguments that people can't relate is because many people I know wouldn't go to the theater to watch it.


and sorry, everything in life is political, think from school, to church, to love...

the facts stand, the rumors were there long before the announcement, and it's true about "Hollywood may not want to push a Gay themed love DRAMA to the forefront and give it Best Picture" as I've read in many different ways over the past week,

IT HAPPENED.

I'll be okay. Just hate when things are exactly as we're told they're gonna be.

[Divine Discontent]

84. ANN COULTER COMMENTS ABOUT OSCARS

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20060302/cm_ucac/speakingtruthtodeadhorsesmyoscarpredictions


I shall summarize the plots of the five movies nominated for best picture below:


"Brokeback Mountain" (gay)


"Capote" (death penalty with bonus gay lead)


"Crash" (racism)


"Good Night, and Good Luck" (McCarthyism)


"Munich" (Jew athletes at Munich had it coming)

Everyone says it's going to be "Crash," but I think "Crash" is too popular with filmgoers. Moreover, Hollywood feels it has done enough for the blacks. Hollywood can never do enough for the gays. Gays in the military, gays in the Texas Rangers, gays on the range. It's like a brokeback record! As Pat Buchanan said, homosexuality has gone from "the love that dare not speak its name" to "the love that won't shut up."

Is the idea of gay cowboys really that new? Didn't the Village People do that a couple of decades ago? Am I the only person who saw John Travolta in "Urban Cowboy"?

Movies with the same groundbreaking theme to come:


"Westward Homo!"


"The Magnificent, Fabulous Seven"


"Gunfight at the K-Y Corral"


"How West Hollywood Was Won"

[Divine Discontent]

85. stupid whore!

" but I think "Crash" is too popular with filmgoers" - ann coulter


Filmgoers chose Brokeback Mountain in the popularity category, by over $20 million more dollars in theater gross. Again, more Right winged fundy lies. And the other stuff she said, PHEWWWW, not gonna even get into it.

[October]

86. I agree.

The movie garnered all the attention because the characters were gay.

Ang Lee deserved to win, IMHO.

[joshcryer]

89. Yes, Ang Lee deserved to win.

He was the first director to make a large budget film concerning this style of story telling (in the end it is a typical "forbidden love/tragedy"), however, for anyone to think that this is the first time it's been done, I think they need to reassess their movie catalouge.

[Divine Discontent]

93. to weed or not to...

FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-06-06 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #33
64. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
You're a sore loser and a whiney ass! "Crash" only got ONE AWARD where as "Brokeback Mountain" got a SHIT LOAD of awards! More people can relate to "Crash" than they can BBM. What was in "Crash" is UNIVERERSAL and happens to all sorts of people EVERYWHERE. Stop being a sore loser!



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Here is the first comments by freedomangel82 much earlier tonight, where she starts attacking with NAME CALLING like an insecure person does, and, where she misrepresents BBM by saying "more people can relate to Crash than they can BBM", without even seeing the film and knowing whether or not she can relate to the heartbreaking tale.

She goes on in about a hundred other posts to call people ass*ole and attack. I suggest she learn to be more accepting of others telling her that her opinion is hers', and that's okay, but she shouldn't call someone else, "SORE LOSER WHINEY ASS!" and not expect to be screamed at for being petulant and trashy acting in her choice of 'conversational words', shall we say?

This is for those who wonder where the name calling began. I don't think it's right for anyone else to be blamed for this, and again, I wish I hadn't made this OP, but I'm sure someone else would have anyway from all the vocal disgust over Crash winning.

Take care

[October]

98. They were harsh words

I think, though, that you started this thread in anger yourself. It is your opinion that BBM is a better movie, but in saying so you bashed the movie "Crash" and its supporters.

We all have our likes and dislikes, and none of us will always agree with one another on everything -- otherwise we'd be republicans.

Hollywood was overly generous to Lord of the Rings and Titanic, IMHO, in past years.

Yet one year Tom Hanks gave a brave and emotional speech when he won for his role in Philadelphia.

African American actors have long complained, as well.

Women, more than half the population, are paid less and work less.

It's unfair to ask one industry to be the answer to all of our emotions/interests. Though, having said that, they at least try.

[rinsd]

120. Ang Lee should be forever punished for the Hulk

:evilgrin:

[high density]

94. I haven't seen Brokeback Mountain

But I did think Crash was certainly worthy of the best picture Oscar. I dunno what's so "lame" about it. I've seen plenty of talk about this film as well (Oprah devoted an entire show to it!), though not to the fever pitch of Brokeback which was in part fueled by right-wing wackos who had not seen it. (That's really useful talk there, now isn't it?)

But come on, Brokeback did win a couple of other awards. Being the most talked about and/or "highly reviewed" does not single-handedly make it the best picture.

[BoneDaddy]

95. I haven't seen Brokeback yet...

but Crash stuck with me for a very long time.... I still think about the twists turns and how the pieces fit perfectly together in it's conclusion. I thought it a fantastic story that will be one of the best movies to address race EVER.

The only thing I can take umbrage with is your comment that it will become some lost movie in the future. I cant disagree with you more.
In order to lift BBM up, there is no need to tear Crash down.

[Neil Lisst]

96. Crash = big names, loved in Hollywood

CRASH used top talent in a way no such film has. It was loaded with stars, all playing their parts well. The transformational looks at the characters of Matt Dillon and Ryan Phillippe were compelling enough to make a film significant.

CRASH is the kind of film Hollywood loves to recognize because in doing so they recognize so many fine talents.

I have not seen Brokeback yet, so can't speak to it, but I'm sure it's an excellent film. Was there any gay aversion involved in any of those who voted against it? Probably.

[DarienComp]

101. Wha??

Look, I'm gay, and I loved 'Brokeback Mountain', and I wanted it to win.

But it was one of five nominations. ALL the movies were good and culturally relevant in their own way. Why is this a 'travesty'? And, my goodness, there was the 'smear campaign'? Where? Because I certainly didn't see it anywhere.

'Crash' was a good movie. You may not agree, but I felt it was one of the most honest portrayals of the racial pathology that is troubling this whole country. Why would 'Crash' not be remembered by people? I don't understand.

I'd also note that Ang Lee got best director.

[BoneDaddy]

108. Totally agree

Well said. Granted there are plenty of anti-gay nonsense going on out there, but this was not one of them.

[Charlie Brown]

115. I also agree

and I'm gay as well. Brokeback won other key awards, but not best picture, just like Saving Private Ryan, Traffic, Crouching Tiger and Fargo. All of those films have left a legacy on cinema, and the idea that they will be forgotten b/c they lost the best picture nod is ludicrous. I don't remember anyone claiming Hollywood despised veterans b/c they gave the oscar to Shakespeare in Love instead of SPR and Thin Red Line. I have not seen Crash, but from everything I've heard it's an extremely engaging film that takes on a very relevant issue. I simply don't get why we have to be upset that it won the award.

[Totally Committed]

102. Excellent Article from MSN Movies about this this morning:

Oscar's Civil War: Red and Blue States Bash and Boost 2005's Best Picture Nominations
By Kathleen Murphy
Special to MSN Movies

http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2006/civilwar

Just a taste (some quotes from the article):

"Despite red state paranoia, what turns Oscar on -- bottom-line -- is almost always money, not politics. Box-office clout -- and sometimes verging-on-maudlin sentimentality -- has traditionally carried far more weight among Academy oldsters than cutting-edge socio-political content or avant-garde art... Hollywood talent can afford to be PC to the max, but most of the money gravitates to old-school business values. A big-bucks industry like the Dream Factory is not about to go gaga over product that won't sell in the flyover states."

"What was it in the film's Hemingway-esque boxing tale that ticked off right-wingers as well as champions of the physically challenged? Euthanasia. That "fightin' word" threatened to eclipse the living, breathing film, which nonetheless copped Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actress and Best Supporting Actor awards... This year's Million Dollar Baby is Brokeback Mountain -- Ang Lee's Western Wuthering Heights that the liberal media and critics organizations are using as an excuse to 'shove the gay agenda down the public's throat' (the figure of speech 'anti-Brokebackers' keep using). Or at least that's the way a lot of conservative critics are reading it.
Brokeback and fellow Best Picture nominees Munich, Capote, Crash, and Good Night, and Good Luck. certainly can't claim to be blockbusters, and they're mostly a mixed breed -- a little bit Hollywood, a little bit indie. What four out of five of these films share is superb storytelling, mostly top-notch visual artistry and characters who enlarge our grasp of what it means to be human.... But, in our polarized times, movies are treated less like art and/or entertainment than red state/blue state Rorschach tests for a schizophrenic nation, an America so deeply divided in its values and beliefs that every film fiction is bound to offend someone.... So whereas most liberals have found little to complain about in Oscar's choices, this year's provocative contenders leave a good many Americans cold..."

It then goes into great detail analyzing all the 2005 Best Picture Nominated movies from this perspective. I highly recommend the article.

TC

[NVMojo]

106. CRASH won because it was good. It came out at the beginning of the

film cycle and was almost lost in the shuffle of the recent movies that came out because most people have short term memory.

Brokeback was good, it was an up close on one relationship that suffered from discrimination. Crash was an up close view of the many faces of racism that exist and we don't want to admit still goes on today. Homosexuality and non-whiteness are human conditions that people fear. Gays are easier targeted and single celled assholes easier proclaim their anomosity against them. But they still hate nonwhites as much today as they did in the 40s, 50s and 60s and no one wants to admit it out loud. But bigotry is the same, no matter the target. We should be glad these movies were produced at all.

That's why I was rooting for Crash.

[onenote]

109. let's get a grip and look at reality

There are around 6000 Academy members and each one can vote in every category, meaning the same folks could vote for best director and for best film and for best screenplay etc etc. (The Academy is divided into branches and the branches vote do the nominating, but the final voting is open to all members for all categories).

You have no idea whether Crash beat BBM by one vote or a thousand. Neither do I. But there is nothing new or different about the results of this year's Oscars than previous years. Academy members frequently split their votes for any number of reasons. Some may have voted for Ang Lee because he didn't get best director for Crouching Tiger. Some may have voted for Crash because they wanted to see a very good movie get the attention that comes from winning Best Picture (and because BBM already has gotten more publicity than any movie in years). And while, yes,some may have voted for a picture other than BBM because they were uncomfortable with its content, the fact is that some other academy members might have voted FOR BBM because of its content.

What is clear is that with 6000 Academy members, the idea that there was a conspiracy to deny BBM the best picture award is ludicrous. Were there emails? Phone calls? To all 6000? And not one person has stepped up and said anything? GIve me a break.

The fact is that they were both excellent films and any judgment about which one is "best" is by definition entirely subjective. Clooney had it right when he pointed out the inherent problems in comparing different performances. But even if you gave the director and actors in each of the best film categories the same script and told them to make a film based on it and then compared the results, you'd still ultimately be left with a subjective judgment.

The fact that BBM got made, got numerous nominations, and won one of the "big" ones -- Best Director -- is great. Silly conspiracy theories about a process that is subject to myriad influences, including personal and professional friendship and jealousies, etc. is pretty silly.

onenote

[Frank Cannon]

110. Well said. I saw and loved BOTH Crash and BBM...

and I was more than happy to see EITHER of them win the Best Picture award. I think of all the TRUE dreck that has won over recent years and both of these pictures are head and tails above all that.

Brokeback Mountain has ALREADY blazed huge trails. It's been an enormous critical and popular success around the world, and it has won a lot of awards that are based more on the "popular" vote. For all of you that were hoping that BBM would open doors to more cinema with more unabashed "gay" themes, don't worry. Hollywood is, above all, based on the almighty dollar (particularly of late, with theater attendance plummeting). Brokeback Mountain has proven a bonanza for Hollywood. You WILL get your movies.

I thought Crash was an excellent, engrossing film that took on an enormous task and did it well. Like Brokeback Mountain, it makes a plea for tolerance, for walking in someone else's shoes before you judge them, regardless of their color or creed. That this message was delivered less subtly in Crash than in BBM in no way takes away from the film. Some people really need to be hit over the head before they get it.

[AX10]

111. I disagree.

[Freddie Stubbs]

116. If Crash hadn't won, it would have been due to blatant racism

;)

[texqueer]

123. Crash - the safe choice

Erik Lundegaard's article on MSNBC.com ( http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11700333/ ) was probably one of the best "sum-ups" of last night. I saw Crash way last year, and not even having BBM competing against it back then, I still didn't like it. I thought it had a lot of nice things to say, but that it was overdone and full of itself. Like Lundegaard says, no one really lets their internal bigotry hang out like that -- if that's what they do in Los Angeles, well, then -- they've beat Texas in the bigotry game.

Seriously, though, when friends have asked me about Crash, I was like, "Oh, it's the 'race-relations' version of Traffic, and not that good of one either." Crash totally ripped off the theme and feel of that much greater movie -- Haggis should be sued for plagarism.

Since last night, I've thought about it a lot, trying to find some redeeming value in Crash . . . and the only thing I can come up with was something I mentioned on another forum: "In a movie of clashing cultures, we (gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered) don’t factor in. In a world full of diversity, we don’t exist. This is the message of Crash, and the final verdict of last night’s Academy Awards." When you consider all the "contemporary issues" that Crash managed to stuff in their movie (black/white, rich/poor, citizen/immigrant, illegal smuggling, loneliness), it's amazing that gay issues, or even homophobia, didn't make the cut.

I've browsed a lot of forums, and believe me, there are a lot of livid queers over the outcome . . . it just doesn't make sense, and a lot of people that didn't like either felt that if BBM didn't get it, one of the other movies certainly would have.

Believe me, I've lost all respect on the ability of Academy voters to pick movies/actors, etc., on artistic value alone. Bigotry and a conscious effort to "conform" to a more conservative public. Believe me, if the Democratic Party isn't invulnerable to this Rush to the Right, it was only a matter of time for Hollywood to do the same.

This was my last time to watch Oscar.

[Name removed]

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[ruggerson]

128. We have to promote homosexuality

we have toasters to win from the big gay promotional center in San Francisco. The more redneck southern trolls we convert, the more toasters we get.

Didn't know it worked that way, didja?

[smtpgirl]

130. ruggerson

you are so cool, that was a great post

[Name removed]

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[chaz4jazz]

133. No we don't toast weiners

We toast Republican, pedophile hypocrites

http://www.armchairsubversive.com/

[QC]

135. It's more fun to roast freeper trolls who think they're very clever. n/t

[LincolnMcGrath]

134. Ken Mehlman says thank you for giving him cover.

[Skittles]

138. what do you mean by promoting homosexuality?

like, treating them like normal human beings?

[Name removed]

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[Lone_Star_Dem]

140. Hey why stop there

If the Democratic Party really wants to win they should stop "promoting" womens rights, minority rights and workers rights. Just to name a few.

Hey, I know what we can do, we can promote corporate rights and sell the majority of our voters out for the wealth of a few who will own our candidates. Then we are sure to win!!11!

You know what we can do next, just for kicks? We can call our selves republicans.

[fujiyama]

139. Brokeback

was probably the more 'significant' film in terms of culture. You're right in that it broke a boundary in the topic it covered and will likely be remembered for that reason.

But then again the award doesn't always go to the film that has the biggest impact (box office or otherwise). I just saw Annie Hall the other day and while I found it entertaining and funny, it never had and never will have the cultural significance Star Wars had (regardless of whether you like Star Wars or not).

Now, I'm not trying to compare Star Wars with Brokeback (one deals with a more serious issue of acceptance and tolerance), but the Academy is quirky and it's impossible to agree with them all the time (or in my case very often - it's rare I agree with their Best pic choice).