Where is the outrage on US torture?

[rwork]

60 minutes seems to be the only show with any guts.When a man is chained with his arms to the ceiling and having a knee jammed repeatedly into his thigh until he is dead and bush* says the US does not torture.Where is our leader in this country who will step forward and say this wrong?

[tatertop]

1. I think Bush voters love torture

Why mess with your base?
We have become two countries.
The bullies rule the day.

[Neil Lisst]

2. I cannot believe one attack that killed 3000 has caused the US to

... to forget all that it is, to forget why we have the rules we have to protect people, why we don't torture, why we don't strike preemptively.

I want to see my country come home to its true core values.

We're the good guys, dammit, and you can't be the good guys unless you're a shining example of the right way to do things.

[rwork]

3. Well put Neil.

The US was once the shining example to the world.

[tnlefty]

4. My brother informed me Sun. evening that he didn't believe that any of

this disgusting torture happened. I asked if he'd seen the pictures or read anything about it in the papers here and overseas. He asked me where I was getting all of this info. and I commented that it had been covered in the foreign press more than it has been here and the the International Red Cross, Human Rights Watch and other groups had printed reports. His comment, "See that's the problem. Just a bunch of leftists who are out to get Bush**." To which I asked if he was suggesting that any group who is trying to uncover and report the truth is liberal, and that if he was I'd proudly take the truth to stop this inhumane bullshit anyday. I also inquired if he'd seen the Taguba report, seen any of Janice Karpinski's interviews or read her book, etc.

Bottom line for him - IF it did happen it didn't matter.

Bottom line for me - I am disgusted by his willful ignorance and lack of basic humanity.

[Tom Rinaldo]

5. Clark has been trying. Here's his latest petition. Please pass it on

Stop Blaming the Troops -- Investigate the Real Culprits of Abuse


Join 12,729 Americans in signing this petition!



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The time has come to investigate the Bush Administration's role in the prisoner abuse and humiliation that has motivated our enemies in the war on terror and endangers the well-being of our fighting forces.


For generations, the United States has been a powerful voice of moral authority in the world. After World War II, we led the world in creating the Geneva Conventions and prosecuting war criminals at Nuremberg, and later became one of the first nations to ratify the Convention Against Torture. Even today, Slobodan Milosevic is being tried for war crimes thanks to a U.S.-led NATO air strike against his brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.

Unfortunately, the Bush administration has squandered our legacy of moral leadership.

With the right leadership and accountability, couldn't the Administration have prevented the embarrassment of Abu Ghraib and the controversy at Guantanamo Bay? While some are blaming individual soldiers, doesn't at least some of the responsibility rest with the civilian leadership of our government? Don't the American people deserve the truth? Shouldn't Congress lead an investigation?

Please sign my petition urging Chairman John Warner of the Senate Armed Services Committee to hold hearings on the Bush Administration's statements, policies, orders, and actions related to prisoner abuse.


Sincerely,



Wes Clark

http://ga4.org/campaign/prisonerabuse?qp_source=gac%5fpa

[acmejack]

7. Kind of says it all, only 12, 500 signatures.

in a nation of over 300 million, I guess we are a minority.

[Tom Rinaldo]

8. It hasn't even been a consistent priority here

DU alone has 4 times the members than have signed that petition. I accept that some, for whatever reason, might not want to sign petitions, or maybe not a petition by Wes Clark if they don't like him. But we tend to get periodic outrage over the torture when new photo are released, or maybe when Gonzales testifies somewhere, and then we drop it. Clark is the perfect person to carry this petition. It is our job to make sure it gets circulated if we care about what it calls for, a full investigation of the Bush Administration's role in prisoner abuse in all it's ugly forms.

[Sparkman]

6. AMAZING how few patriots have denounced BOTH the perps and the policy!

Isn't the TOLERANCE and RATIONALIZATION by those who otherwise consider themselves "good" patriots and "good" ethical citizens, very telling of the state of our culture? Ignoring the myriad of international and domestic laws, for the protection of human rights, civil rights, and decency has allowed the rationalization by millions of U.S. citizens to break laws per their choice. Ethics as defined by this governments ACTIONS seem to be up to each person, and prosecution the only deterrant. THEY are not embarassed, and it's obvious why.
Providing cover for the torturers, condones it's use by our paid military, paid to run U.S. gulags, and those who profit financially from the operations or construction. Kidnapping and extra-ordinary "rendition" defy all of the rationalizations presented so far, and criminalizes those complicit in the operations. Are we free yet?