Gary Hart say troops at risk in Iraq & we could loose our army.

[FloridaPat]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002844798_iraqoptions05.html

"Gary Hart said he thinks those troops are at serious risk. The Democratic ex-senator and onetime presidential candidate, a specialist on defense issues, talked about Iraq — and, in his view, the benefits of troop withdrawals — before a speech the other day at the National Constitution Center.

"Our army is in danger," he said. "If all-out civil war breaks out, we could lose our army. If Sunnis and Shiites take to the streets by the thousands, it could literally be impossible to get out. ... I know that sounds apocalyptic, but it's not out of the question. We need an exit strategy. We have no choice. We're making things worse. Ninety percent of the insurgents are Iraqis who don't like the fact that we have occupied their country. ...

"I know we can't just pack up and leave right away, but we're still acting as if we hold all the cards over there. We don't. We're losing control of the situation. ... The British occupied Iraq for 35 years and finally had to leave because there was a constant insurgency against them. We haven't learned anything."

But others see the chaos in Iraq as proof that we must stay, despite having spent more than $300 billion and expended about 2,300 American lives. And they're not all Bush fans."

[havocmom]

1. And we need to figure in Avian Flu now

gonna be a grand time

[fooj]

2. This is an absolute horror.

When will this country wake the hell up?

Peace.

[ewagner]

3. So get this.....

Cheney and Condi talk tough to Iran..threaten them while we have about 130,000 troops just across the IRAN/IRAQ border....right in the sights of the Iranian army.......

That's really smart....NOT!!!!

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

4. I've wondered

...about a Tet-like offensive, perhaps a bit less organized. I think they might be in real trouble.

Can you imagine how BushCo would respond? What a nightmare---as if it's not already.

[northofdenali]

5. ..

Saigon 1975

Will we see a repeat? My heart hurts.

[FloridaPat]

6. Probably not unless. We don't really have any friends there.

Vietnam was 20 years long. We built up quite a lot of friends in S. Vietnam during that time.

[northofdenali]

7. True. And even those who sorta like us in Iraq

want us the hell gone.

My neighbor was one of the lucky ones at the Embassy in 1975. He and his wife both made one of the few last choppers on the last day.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

8. How are our friends in S. Iraq doing?

Making the Brits run for their helicopters?

[karynnj]

9. Gary Hart strongly praised Kerry's October speech and plan

Here's a link to a Gary Hart letter on this:

http://www.johnkerry.com/email/1130.html