Who should the Virginia Dems nominate to US Senate?

[Catchawave]

Poll question: Who should the Virginia Dems nominate to US Senate?

to challenge George"Sweet Nectar of Liberty" Allen !!!



For more information and discussion on both these fine candidates, from the Progressive Virginia PAC : Raising Kaine
http://www.raisingkaine.com/



http://www.webbforsenate.com/





http://action.miller2006.net/miller2006/homepage.html

[Midlodemocrat]

1. I like Webb, personally, but I would take Miller also

anyone who could beat that POS Allen

[Catchawave]

3. Me too.

Must. Defeat. Allen. :hi:

So far, the crossover appeal of Webb is HUGH !!!!1 in South Hampton Roads.

[durrrty libby]

9. I was just coming here to ask what Virginians thought of James Webb.

Stephen Colbert interviewed him on his show last night, and he impressed me.
It was a good piece. It’s not up on his site yet, but most likely will be later.

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_colbert_report/index.jhtml

[skipos]

2. Which one has the best chance of winning in VA? nt

[Catchawave]

21. I think Webb does ?

Just a hunch :)

[Virginian]

4. I will vote for either in Nov, but in the Primary, I still have questions

It bothers me a little that Webb used to be a Pub. Is he really a Dem? Will he vote with other Dems in the Senate or will we have another Senator who represents the White House and his own political advancement rather than our interests?

It bothers me that Miller used to represent the voting machine industry. Will he support verified voting or will he fight legislation to reassure the voters that our votes went for the candidates we selected?

If anyone knows for sure where these men are on these issues, will you fill me in with the behind the scenes info.

[Catchawave]

6. That's why I included the campaign websites, with hopes

you (generic) can address these questions directly to the candidate.

I will suport either in Nov also. :hi: Also, would love to kick up the Virginia Forum a notch to discuss these very important issues :patriot:

[FSogol]

5. Webb or Miller

Send "Fake Cowboy" Allen packing. He's an embarrassment.

[Catchawave]

11. Va primary info:

Primary Election Dates
Voter Registration Deadline for Primary Election: April 3, 2006
State/Local Primary Date: May 2, 2006


May the best man (who can defeat Allen) win !

[FSogol]

16. Either can defeat Allen

I think the "Fake Cowboy" Politicians have jumped the shark.

Thanks for the info. See you at the polls on the 2nd.

[underpants]

7. *** SWEET NECTAR OF LIBERTY !!!! ****

Allen said it AGAIN on Wednesday January 26th the year of our lord 2005

Condi Rice’s confirmation hearing
1/19/05
http://allen.senate.gov/?c=story&t=press&story=2005011961776.859375

Because of President Reagan's steadfast determination, hundreds of millions of people tasting that sweet nectar of liberty in central Europe are now friends and allies," said Senator Allen.

On the 2004 election
10/10/2004
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=69507
Ronald Reagan's election changed the dynamic of the Cold War from one of containment and co-existence to the advancement of freedom. As a result, hundreds of millions of people in Central Europe, once behind the Iron Curtain, now taste the sweet nectar of liberty, have joined NATO, and are true friends and allies.

Senator Allen's Tribute to President Reagan
June 8, 2004
http://www.nrsc.org/nrscweb/newsdesk/articles/401.shtml

But President Reagan believed the blessings of liberty must not be bestowed only on a few nations and only to those blessed to be born on free soil; Ronald Reagan, with the strength of his convictions, exported and advanced democracy to continents, countries, and people yearning to taste the sweet nectar of libert.



GOVERNOR ALLEN SELECTED AS "JEFFERSON SCHOLAR"
August 28, 1998
http://www.alec.org/viewpage.cfm?pgname=3.1aa56

He also pointed to North Korea, China, Iraq, Cuba and other countries where "there are people who have never truly tasted freedom's sweet nectar.

[Virginian]

10. Maybe Allen will retire to beekeeping. n/t

[Catchawave]

12. What took you so long ?

:hug:

[underpants]

13. Hey

cripes I had to go get the damned thing

Nice way to just set it up there.

I personally am not crazy about Webb (just suspicious) but anything is better than Allen and his having to actually campaign here will hurt his chances of getting anywhere near the White House (and he is running).

Let's start the meme now "Allen is going to have a hard time keeping his Senate seat as it is"

Repeat repeat repeat whether it is true or not.

Allen will have as much money as he needs and have every heavyweight Republican short of pulling Ronnie's body out of the tomb to campaign for him.

[BonnieJW]

14. Think about that

"Anything is better than Allen." What if Webb is just posing as a Dem to get elected. Then you have another Allen but with a brain. Which is more dangerous? Right now Allen is dismissed as one of Bush's boobs.

[Catchawave]

19. Euuuwwwww, scary

:party: :tinfoilhat: :party:

[Jai4WKC08]

40. Boob or not

Having Allen in the seat contributes to a Repub majority. They keep all the leadership positions and committee chairs. They set the Senate agenda.

Anyone is better than a Repub. Any Repub.

Winning is everything and VA is a very conservative state overall. They won't elect someone they perceive as too lib'rul.

I'm glad I don't vote in VA. I don't like Webb. Never have. But I'd vote for a pig if I thought it had a better chance of beating Allen.

[Catchawave]

15. LOL.....I knew that :)

Did you see Webb on Colbert last night? I just caught the morning rerun, pretty telling which side of the fence Colbert falls over :) It's being repeated this afternoon on Comedy Central.

To tell you the truth, Miller isn't getting much ink in So Hampton Roads, I'm sure he's wonderful, but can he beat Allen? I hear he's anti-choice ?

And yeah, the Allen War Chest is pretty hefty. I'm not going to beg DU for contributions til after the primary. No matter who wins the chance to challenge Allen, I'm going to be a real pain in the ass here ! Heh.

[underpants]

20. Yeah I taped it and saw it this morning

Colbert said Allen was dumb as ____ (something)

[FSogol]

18. LOL, Can we cover him with freedom's sweet nectar and

tie him to an ant hill?

[underpants]

8. Webb could sell Miller won't

That is my knee jerk reaction

[Catchawave]

17. mine too n/t

[SaveElmer]

22. I voted other because I just don't know...

I am leaning towards Miller. I don't believe either will win in the general. And I am fairly disgusted at Webb's giving some cover to the Swift Boaters, and his denigration of Kerry's anti-war activities.

On the other hand, it is possible Webb will be able to bloody up Allen more effectively, and hopefully knock him down a few pegs before the Presidential election season.

[Catchawave]

23. Swift Boaters? Where did you learn

about that? Webb is definitely not a swiftie, nor did he give them "cover" :shrug:

He was pissed at both Kerry and the Chickenhawk in 2004.

[SaveElmer]

24. Check his Webb site...

http://www.jameswebb.com/articles/NPR/npr8%2024%2004.htm

The Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth have a point in their attack on John Kerry's Vietnam service, for by basing his campaign on his wartime credentials, he invited their response. The "Swifties" are giving John Kerry a version of what the military calls a "peer evaluation" - a hard, cool look at a fellow officer that calls him to task for being self-serving. But their conduct invites its own questions, not the least of which is one of relevance.

Should a shaky decoration for gallantry disqualify one for the Presidency? Ask Lyndon Johnson, who as a Congressman convinced Douglas MacArthur to award him a Silver Star for riding as a passenger on an aircraft fired on by the Japanese.

[Catchawave]

25. And the Swift Boat point was ....?

Read your quoted box....Kerry never responded to that "peer evaluation" did he ? Also, But their(SBV) conduct invites its own questions, not the least of which is one of relevance.

That election is OVER, what have we learned ? Out of context quoting is so ROVIAN, can we please move on? Did you read the Purple Heartbreakers article?

Would love to see a quote from that :patriot:

[SaveElmer]

27. Did I provide a link?

Of course I did....

Any intimation in my opinion that the Swift Boat attackers "had a point" is bad enough for me. Having said all that, if he gets the nomination I will vote for him...no one can be worse than Allen.

[Catchawave]

29. The link was to Webb's book/article/professional page...

Here's his campaign site:

http://www.webbforsenate.com/

:think:

[SaveElmer]

30. Still his page...

His article...not sure of the distinction. I know what he is saying now, but to my knowledge he has not changed his opinion of Kerry.

[Catchawave]

32. Neither has my husband....

...changed his opinion of Kerry....should I divorce them both ? Or move on, and try to live happily ever after ?

[SaveElmer]

33. Hardly my suggestion...

As I am sure you know...we are talking about who should be the Democratic nominee in Virginia. I was extremely disappointed to learn of Webb's views on Kerry, and any suggestion that the Swift Boaters were in any way correct to attack Kerry.

But like I say, if Webb gets the nomination I will vote for him!

[Catchawave]

36. Thank you !

I'd still like to learn more about Miller before the Va May primary too. :hi:

[MH1]

35. Ummm....yes, he did.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=358&topic_id=2555&mesg_id=2555

(In response to your, "Kerry never responded ...")

I'm not from VA so I don't get a vote and I will keep quiet as much as possible, but as a veteran, I find the characterization of the Swift Liars' specious allegations as a "peer evaluation" utterly contemptible.

To blow off what Webb wrote about women in the military many years ago is one thing, but to blow off such recent, ridiculous support of the liars undermining the 2004 Democratic nominee... I don't know how one can do that. Unless you REALLY believe that Webb is the only chance to move that Senate seat into the (D) column... since we have a similar tough call in PA, and I'm on the side of pragmatism there, I have to accept pragmatism here too (espec since it isn't my state). But please do acknowledge it for what it is.

Webb owes Kerry an apology. At the least. And I would hope his supporters would ask him to do that, because it's right.

[Catchawave]

41. Webb does not owe Kerry an apology.....

...Kerry owes ME an apology ! Hope you understand where I'm coming from too, Kerry let me down in '04, nobody else did :(

[karynnj]

44. Kerry did everything he humanly could to win

His emotional concession speech reached out to people he knew would be dissapointed - what more do you need.

As to Webb, I would think that if he saw himself becoming a politically active Democrat, he might have tried to meet with Kerry. Rather than refusing to shake an outstreched hand, he should have a least tried to see where he was coming from. (Kerry shook hands with Nixon, who had ordered people to destroyhim - their efforts caused Kerry and his first wife considerable pain. Enough hatred was stirred up that Kerry had people throwing rocks through his window - one of which came within inches of baby Alexandra's cradle. )

The other alternative was that he could have weighted the present situation versus 35 year old grudges. Could his nasty articles have influenced 60,000 votes in Ohio? Who knows?

[MH1]

47. Riiighhtt...with guys like Webb supporting the Swift Liars....

:eyes:

(and I guess you agree with what Webb said !?!? And Kerry let YOU down????)

[Catchawave]

26. James Webb on Colbert....repeat

from last night coming up EST on Comedy Central in a few minutes.

[Catchawave]

28. Was going to wait til after the May primary.....

...but would you guys please send an email of support to one or the other (see their websites). If we can at least support a national effort, and maybe a promise of a dollar or two for their Allen Challenging War Chest this summer/fall, would be appreciated !

Thanks for your DU Help for Virginia :patriot:

[RedstDem]

31. Allen Reminds Me Of Bush

In Every Way
Ack !

[Catchawave]

34. Ack ! Hit and run?

I'm sure you'll explain why, or at least help this thread with a Miller supportive post :shrug:

[RedstDem]

37. Sorry, Allen Makes Me So Sick, I Can Only Think Of "Ack-ing"

Seriously Miller Is Well Suited For The Position, & I Would Love To Get Some Representation.
As You Know We've Been Screwed Out Of Any Since Robb.
"Ack"tually, I Can't Recall, Has It Been Only 6 Years Since Robb Was Replaced?
Damn I'm Old

[Catchawave]

39. :)

[Blue_Tires]

38. even though there is no $$$$ for him to run

i would like to nominate myself!

First act: Getting the U.S. out of Iraq

Second act: Getting the impeachment ball rolling

The rest of the acts can wait

[Catchawave]

43. Um, ok

:eyes:

[Blue_Tires]

45. we all have our dreams

i'm sure you may even have yours....


and i still feel that (if i were rich, of course) i could conduct a senatorial career truer to the ideals and philosophies inherent here at DU than those other candidates listed.

[globalvillage]

42. I like Miller

He will bring IT and business experience that is lacking in the Senate. And he's a tested leader.
Web has little but arrogance and ties to the republican party.
And Webb's a swiftboat enabler.
Besides, Miller's numbers are similar to Webb's against Allen.
Why not back a real Dem?

Harris N. Miller became President of the Information Technology Association of America (ITAA) in 1995. Miller directs the day-to-day operations of the association and reports to the ITAA Board of Directors. ITAA is the largest and oldest information technology (IT) trade association, representing 11,000 software, services, internet, telecommunications, electronic commerce and systems integration companies.

Miller is also President of the World Information Technology and Services Alliance (WITSA), an "association of associations" representing 38 high tech trade groups around the world. He is a member of the 1998 World Congress on Information Technology Board of Directors, as well as a member of the Olsten Center Board of Directors.

Among many significant accomplishments during the past three years, Miller:

Conceived the ground-breaking study, "Help Wanted: The IT Workforce at the Dawn of a New Century." Under his leadership, ITAA produced the National Information Technology Workforce Convocation, which brought together leaders from education, government, and industry to formulate partnerships and "best practices" to increase the quantity and quality of IT workers.
Led the IT industry in supporting the passage of Telecommunications Act of 1996 and assuring statutory protections for IT companies.
Directed the association's creation of a multifaceted Year 2000 Century Date Change Program. ITAA is widely recognized by both government and industry as the foremost trade association in the Year 2000 area. Played an instrumental role in formulating the Year 2000 International Cooperation Center and conducted the first global summit on the Year 2000 issue, bringing together representatives from over 130 nations.
Helped achieve numerous legislative and regulatory victories for the Information Technology industry, including creation of the Foreign Sales Corporation credit for software exporters, extension of the R&E tax credit, an Internet tax moratorium, extension of the H1-B visa limit for highly skilled foreign professionals, and government procurement reform.
Secured ITAA's position as IT industry sector coordinator for Critical Information Infrastructure Protection under Presidential Decision Directive 63.
Appeared on numerous network and cable television programs, radio programs and has been quoted in virtually all major national news publications. These include CBS, NBC, CNN, CNBC, BBC, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post, Business Week, Financial Times and many more.

more...
http://www.cybercitizenship.org/aboutus/bios_miller.html

[dogman]

46. Warner