Peggy Noonan is DIVORCED!

[murdoch]

I just found out Peggy Noonan is divorced. I've listened to this idiot for years talk about how great the Pope is and Roman Catholic values, and here she is divorced. Maybe I'm getting old or something, but when I was raised in Catholic schools in a mostly Catholic neighborhood, divorce was not taken lightly, and someone who got divorced would certainly not be put up with when pointing out the "mote in others eyes". What a hypocrite! If I was her husband I would have left her too, I can barely stand to listen to her for five minutes. Although I almost mix her up with Kate O'Beirne sometimes, they are two peas in a pod.

Michael Moore goes to mass every Sunday, and has been married to his high school sweetheart for years, but he doesn't go around talking about how he is holier-than-thou like she does. And he sure didn't get divorced like she did. Divorced! Sheesh.

The only good thing about Peggy Noonan is I think the filter in her head of what not to say is broken. I read one of her books and she was talking about a discussion among the high mucky mucks in the Reagan White House. Someone was explaining to her how Tip O'Neill was not lace curtain Irish, but shanty Irish, and generally dumping on him and his constituency. Actually, this is how I always imagined what the discussions on the inside of the Reagan White House would be like. Maybe in a couple of decades we'll hear tapes of all of them talking, like we have those hilarious tapes from the mind of Richard Milhous Nixon.

[Mythsaje]

1. Shanty Irish, eh?

Well, I guarantee you that he's got the blood of Kings in him if he's wearing the name O'Neill.

[Bozita]

2. Republicans have a special dispensation from the Pope

Well, not really the Pope.

Would you believe Tom Monaghan?

[Canuckistanian]

6. Special dispensation from Opus Dei, you mean

The Republican wing of the Holy See.

[Warpy]

3. My granny was an Irish Catholic true believer

who threw my drunken and abusive grandfather out of the house by the time my mother was 14. She got a civil divorce. Because of the church's position on divorce, she never even thought of remarrying (although given the state of her knowledge of marriage, that probably wasn't a hardship). She remained alone until her death at the age of 77.

It's perfectly all right for Catholics to divorce for the same reasons the rest of us do. It is just not all right for Catholics to remarry. If they wish to, they either have to leave the church and marry outside it or bribe Rome for an annulment of their first marriage.

I'm lace curtain Irish*, and I met Tip O'Neill, and yes, he was shanty Irish. However he was the best of that type and is sorely missed. Noonan is shanty Irish that is trying to be above herself, and it shows rather badly to those of us who are already there. Nobody will miss her, and we all wish she'd go away so we could prove it.


*Lace curtain Irish: "People who have fresh fruit in the house when nobody's sick"

[GrumpyGreg]

5. I'm Irish Catholic and divorced and like your Granny once was

enough for me.

[Zapatero]

25. My 8 Year Old Son

once got in a fight with a classmate and the principle said the girl's parents were very offended because they were "proper Irish". I was never so insulted in my life, They were "proper Irish" and what the heck were the rest of us?

[izzybeans]

27. my granny was excommunicated when her husband left her for

another woman and she agreed to a divorce.

My father's family has no fond memories of that Parish to put it lightly. And I must admit to not knowing the process that this entailed. Either way the end result was the same.

[Wetzelbill]

4. what the hell is "shanty Irish"?

not sure what that means.

Oh yeah, Nooner is a dipshit. But I say that in the highest terms. :)

[GrumpyGreg]

7. Allegedly the lower class Irish.

[SushiFan]

8. Doesn't surprise me that Noonan is dovorced. Just think if

you had to live with THAT 24/7.........

I'd run for the hills too!

[Bryan]

10. The old story goes that there are two kinds of Irish-Americans

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/cultures/irish-faq/part08/section-10.html

"Shanty Irish" was used to describe the poorest of the poor
Irish immigrants, the kind who ended up in shanty town (the
origin of the word "shanty" is not known, but it might come
from the Irish "sean tí", meaning "old house"). Today "shanty"
in the States is a derogatory term for people who in Ireland
might be known as culchies but the people so described need
not necessarily be of Irish descent.

"Lace curtain Irish" could be as poor as the Shanty Irish but
they had notions of being more respectable. They were called
that because they would put up lace curtains for appearances
sake, even in a shanty town. Thus the term is far from being
a compliment.

[Warpy]

13. Partially true

but the shanty Irish were the potato Irish, people who had barely survived the trip to America in aptly named "coffin ships" and badly scarred by all that they had seen during the famine. Most were illiterate.

The lace curtain Irish had been a cut above them, not dependent on a plot of potatoes and more likely to have come from the merchant or professional classes. Shantytown was a very temporary condition for them, as they were generally educated and literate enough to improve their conditions quickly. But yes, those lace curtains were seen as pretentious by the rest of shantytown.

My own family came over in the 1880s, long after the potato famine was over.

[tabasco]

20. You denigrate yourself by using such terms.

"Lace curtain", "cut above", indeed.

A wealthier economic background apparently does not equate to a higher level of class.

[merbex]

23. Actually that post is a perfect example of how a "lace curtain Irish"

would and actually does talk

At least in Boston

[anitar1]

21. Most were illiterate because it was against British

law for them to be schooled. Hence , the so called hedge schools appeared.Teachers conducted lessons to small groups of people, as they hid behind the hedges that defined the fields.

[EST]

19. "Lace curtain Irish" were said to move the dishes

before they piss in the sink, while "shanty Irish" don't bother.

[Neil Lisst]

9. murdoch, you are so right about this ...

The only good thing about Peggy Noonan is I think the filter in her head of what not to say is broken.

she's getting wacky

[MissMarple]

29. "I think the filter in her head of what not to say is broken."

I'm laughing. Murdoch is right.

How many ways are there to say "tetched in the head"? ... More than a quarter bubble off, someone check her serum porcelain levels, a few bricks shy a load....

When she started back on the bobble head circuit, I simply couldn't believe what an irrational air head she really is. I think the woman has some serious mental health issues.

[oasis]

11. Who could stay married to that dimwit for more than two weeks?

:crazy:

[Erika]

12. My oldest sister is a Catholic who refused to accept a divorce

Even though her husband was a route driver with a girl on each route. She held him to his vows to be the father in the household of the children. She never divorced him. Nor did she have physical contact with him from the date of her knowledge of his affairs. One cold marriage.

But they are still married and she nursed him through open heart surgery. For better or worse is her committment.

[Mz Pip]

14. Someone actually married her???

Poor dude. I'm sure he's traumatized for life. I hope he was well compensated.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Benhurst]

15. I should hope so. There is only so much mortal man can bear. NT

[madrchsod]

16. "shanty irish"? god that is really funny!

what the fuck did she think reagan was? i can truthfully tell you ronny was as "shanty irish" as tip was.. that is why tip and ronny got along so well..poor peggy she is really stupid or is it arrogant?,i`m not sure which it is..

[IsItJustMe]

17. She has always seemed to have a very false air of sincerity to me.

Every time I see her on C_SPAN she is talking about how Catholics should take into account there view of abortion when they vote. Anytime someone confronts her, she cops out. She is obviously a repuke.

[Erika]

18. Maybe she should take into consideration how the church

feels about divorce. Hillary, as a Methodist, honored her marriage vows, far better than Noonan did.

[Minnesota Libra]

22. What makes this so surpising?? Think about it, who....

......would want her??:puke:

[blondeatlast]

24. With all due respect, can we get a source for this? Thanks.

I searched Google and came up empty.

God knows I can't stand the bitch, but I despise rumor and innuendo far more.

[donsu]

26. bartcop has a pic of her naked crotch

nt

[MissMarple]

28. I thought that was Dr. Laura.

Perhaps he has both.

[donsu]

30. no, you are right - I got them mixed

nt