We all need to think long and hard about our vote in the GE.

[Rainbowreflect]

Kucinich is my candidate because he is the only one who actually voted against bush on the war & the patriot act and I will write in Kucinich in the primary if I have to.
But when it comes to the general election I will vote for the dem nominee no matter who that person is.
There are some of the candidates I won't be thrilled in voting for, but I strongly believe if bush is elected or appointed in 2004 this country will never come back from the damage that will be done.
If you can live with your part in what happens go ahead and vote 3rd party or stay home. I could not face myself if I did not do everything I could to get bush out of office.

[Dark Star]

1. Absolutely.

This is so important.

We won't be able to make any fundamental changes until Bush is out. Also, please don't forget what Bush can do to the judiciary in 4 more years.

[ixion]

2. I totally agree RR

The election this time around is not as much about choosing a candidate that fits your issues, but to get the Bush cabal out of office.

I say this because Kerry, despite being the current front-runner, doesn't really stand up as my idea of a great candidate (my opinion). However, I will most certainly vote for him in the GE, should he win the nomination.

[CWebster]

3. Yawn.

[Rainbowreflect]

4. Sorry if the future of this country & the world bores you.

Maybe you can go watch a rerun of Survivor XII, Temptation Island or Janet's boob. Maybe that is more to your taste.

[Forkboy]

5. Maybe he's just bored

with another thread (in a list of about ten thousand daily) telling him he has to,just HAS to,vote for someone he doesn't believe in. :shrug:

[CWebster]

6. Sorry if what you claim to endorse

is irrelevant in the final analysis.

[Rainbowreflect]

7. What is irrelevant? Saving this country from 4 more years of bush.

Or those people who don't get they way running home with their toys. IMHO Kucinich is the only candidate that offers REAL change, but even a small step to the left is a huge improvement over bush.

[oldshoe]

10. Agreed

I like Dennis too, but this isn't Scandinavia, where his ideas would stand a better hearing.

I've heard quit a bit of extended speeches and interview on Democracy Now! from Kerry, Dean, Edwards and Clarke. Any of these is really quite acceptable with me as an alternative to Bush. Yes, I have my points of departure with all four, but it's time for fraterniy not fraticide!

[CWebster]

11. Sort of like

always propping up a yes man to the crown...Ain't exactly anyone seeking a change. Ever read the Declaration of Independance? It is a list of grievances--They put up with alot of shit until they said enough---Even then, it wasn't the majority of people like we've been led to believe, but a small committed core group who perservered and refused to be compromise for Not-as-bad-as. The question for you is---when do you reach that point?

[John_H]

26. I don't know about CWebster, but some prefer the "One-Percenter Hour"

It's on the Authoritarian Chanel, hosted by, of course, Ralph Nader. It's a reality show in which Nader voters get to name the episodes. My favorites are "Me, Me, Me and my Purity," "Hey, What about Me?," and "Enough about Me, Let's talk About Me for Awhile." Check it out sometime.

[FloridaPat]

8. I don't have to think long and hard at all. My mind was made up

in 1980 with the election of Reagan. One of my life's mission is to vote against republicans every chance I can get. It's a no-brainer

[NewYorkerfromMass]

9. You are my kind of Democrat

I would even vote for Dean if I had to.

[frogbison]

15. Vote your heart in the primaries

(Mine is with Kucinich) and for the nominee in November!

[Hep]

12. There's no reason not to vote straight ticket

It's what I am doing,

[bowens43]

13. The ABB attitude is a sign of the decline of our party.

Nothing saddens me more then to see someone say ANYONE but bush. Would that include LaRouche? How about David Duke? Hitler? Trent Lott? When winning at any cost becomes acceptable the war is already lost.

We have become them. Cruise on over to the freeper site and watch the bushbots defend those things they would have vehemently opposed if they were suggested by a Democratic administration. The proposed amnesty legislation, the increase for funding of the NEA, the education bill, the farm subsidies, campaign finance reform etc etc....

As long as the guy doing it has an (R) next to his name it's now acceptable to them. We apparently have sunk to that same level.

[CWebster]

14. Yep and what is really sad

is this is the ONLY way they can rally up any support for the annoited nominee.

[Forkboy]

17. I'm so old I remember when only the Repubs used fear to motivate

:)

[molly]

16. Those examples are not realistice and would never

happen. We are not going to let this country die!

[Forkboy]

19. We'll just keep it on life-support!

rah rah rah!

[bowens43]

20. Realistic or not that is what ABB is saying.

The win is all that counts, principles be damned.

There are worse things then four more years of bush and sacrificing our party and it's ideology for a short term gain is one of those things.

BTW, what's you answer? ABB if that anybody was one of the folks I mentioned above?

[Rainbowreflect]

21. As far as I know none of the people you mention are running.

OF course you have to decide for yourself if the person who is the nominee is worse than bush. If they are even a little better why would you not vote for them?

[bowens43]

24. Whether or not they are running (LaRouche is BTW)

is irrelevant. Do people really mean ABB or is it just rhetoric? If it's just rhetoric, it's detrimental to our party, if they really mean it it's a freaking disaster.

"If they are even a little better why would you not vote for them?"

Because if the best we can do is 'a little better then bush' then our party is in serious trouble and the ABB attitude will drive us deeper into mediocrity. When we continue to accept mediocrity, mediocrity becomes the norm. This of course will push us into a downward spiral that will end when one party becomes indistinguishable from the other.

'A little better then bush' that's quite a rallying cry!

[Rainbowreflect]

25. Actually if you read my original post I never ABB.

I said I would vote for the dem nominee. I think anyone of them would be a huge improvement over bush.
I will repeat that I believe another 4 years of bush and we will never have a chance to make our party better because America as we know it will be gone and Big Business and the far right wing fanatics will be in charge for a long, long time. After 2004 the only way to get our country back will include blood in the street. I am very, very afraid. If I have to compromise to prevent that from happening, I will.

[bowens43]

27. from your post:

'I will vote for the dem nominee no matter who that person is'

LaRouche is running as a Democrat, if he got the nomination would you vote for him? I'm just trying to determine how far people will go because of their fear of 4 more years of bush.

I don't like bush either but I'm not going to let my dislike of bush force me to vote for someone I think will be bad for our party and our country. Of the remaining candidates there is only 1 I would not vote for in the general election. But I do draw a line and anyone beyond that line will not get my vote. I do not believe that 4 more years of bush will fatal to our party or to our constitution. Quite the contrary, it may be exactly what we need to shake the general population out of the fear induced stupor that makes them believe the republicans are good for our country. This isn't, IMO , a time for comprimise.

[emulatorloo]

29. Hate to burst your bubble, but LaRouche won't be the Dem nominee

At any rate, any of the potential noms are miles and miles and miles better than GWB.

None of them, and I mean none of them, are perfect. They all have negatives. But they all have a lot of positives, and I will work for/vote for which ever one gets the nom.

GWB has nothing but negatives and he has got to go.

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[creativelcro]

22. I'm saying it again: If Kerry gets nominated I'm not voting for him.

[mtlipsc]

23. Me neither

I'm anybody but Bush and Kerry. I may change my mind, but 'tain't likely. A lot will depend on his running mate.

[John_H]

28. Me niether. I only vote for centrist Governors who take money from

Pfizer, the NRA, Phillip Morris, Microsoft, Citigroup, and Boeing-- and who were active in Centrist DNC organizations like the DGA and DLC.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=com&orgid=139

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. The bogey man will get you if you don't follow orders.

I'll be voting anti-war this time around. Dem or Green. My taste for pablum Dems has worn thin over the years.