Rumsfeld: Leaving Iraq now would be like handing Germany back to Nazi's

[dajoki]

Reuters
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11908892/from/RSS/

Leaving Iraq now would be like handing postwar Germany back to the Nazis

Rumsfeld compares Iraq, post-WWII Germany
In column, he writes insurgents ‘watching with fear’ the progress in Iraq

Updated: 8:28 a.m. ET March 19, 2006

WASHINGTON - Leaving Iraq now would be like handing postwar Germany back to the Nazis, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in a column published on Sunday, the third anniversary of the start of the Iraq war.

“Turning our backs on postwar Iraq today would be the modern equivalent of handing postwar Germany back to the Nazis,” he wrote in an essay in The Washington Post.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/17/AR2006031701797.html

Rumsfeld said “the terrorists” were trying to fuel sectarian tensions to spark a civil war, but they must be “watching with fear” the progress in the country over the past three years.

In London, former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said on Sunday that Iraq is in a civil war and is nearing the point of no return when the sectarian violence will spill over throughout the Middle East.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/17/AR2006031701797.html

[PSPS]

1. No. Leaving Iraq now would be like ... handing Iraq back to the Iraqis.

[dajoki]

4. what a novel idea!!

[babylonsister]

2. Rumsfeld is an idiot who should have been put out to pasture

long ago.

[Skittles]

19. he was over the hill in the 80's

yes indeed

[Jack Rabbit]

3. Not impeaching Bush would be like handing Germany back to the Nazis

The neocons are watching with fear as Americans wake up to how much their country has regressed in the last five years.

[Lasher]

9. No, not impeaching Bush would be like handing America to the Nazis (EOM)

[jeff30997]

5. Dear Rummy,it's you and your pals who are the Nazis,

Killing and torturing peoples.Progress?What Progress? It's getting worst everyday !:banghead:

[brokensymmetry]

6. I invoke Godwin's law.

Rummy's use of the "Nazi, Nazi, Nazi" argument shows he's lost it.

[benburch]

8. Godwin's law is foolish idiocy.

Because it fails to allow you to talk about real fascists when they appear. As they now have.

[brokensymmetry]

12. Or perhaps it devalues the term -

meaning that people are blind to the appearance of the actual fascists.

[benburch]

18. Exactly.

If "Never Again" means anything at all, we must be able to talk about fascists as they arise, and even before they show the worst of their agenda. I was calling Bush a Nazi in 1999, before it became fashionable.

[dajoki]

24. i thought he was...

just a drunken idiot, who could never win. boy, was i wrong!!

[coalition_unwilling]

26. You beat me by 18 months (Oct. 2001), but then before 9/11 I

was a decadent, self-indulgent musician, not paying much attention to BFEE.

[benburch]

7. No, it is like handing Warsaw back to the Poles...

YOU ARE THE NAZI, RUMMY.

[baldguy]

10. ...or the Sudetenland back to the Czecks

[Mass]

11. But this is what was done!

May be Rumsfeld should look at history.

Denazification was only done at a very high level and then the same civil servants who were ruling during the Nazi regime were allowed to stay in place.

This is how Germany got on its feet that quickly, and may be if they had done that rather than dismissing the army, Iraq would be better off now.

[savemefromdumbya]

13. No, Mr Rumsfeld you are the Nazi

[Lone_Wolf]

14. Wasn't Rumsfeld's grandfather an actual Nazi?

n/t

[dajoki]

15. “watching with fear”

what progress? please explain Rummy!!

[ginnyinWI]

16. No Way would it be the same! Because:

Germany already KNEW how to be a democracy. It had been one before Hitler, before it drifted unknowingly into a Fascist state because they had shortages and deprivation inflicted upon them by the Allies after WWI. But the point is, they knew how to go back--Iraq having a democracy would be something very new. Rumsfeld is either an idiot or a liar.

Drifting into Fascism....hm, now why does this sound familiar??? :freak:

[dajoki]

17. "Rumsfeld is either an idiot or a liar."

why can't it be both?

[babylonsister]

20. I just had an inspiration. Why isn't he gone? Such a bad,

sad man. Comparing what is going on now to what happened in Germany
does not wash.
That sucks! Rumsfeld sucks, but we know that!
He's an idiot!

[dajoki]

23. cheney tried to compare...

it to the American Revolution, remember?

[Imagevision]

21. So the US. stays in Iraq while a thousand per week are killed

Bush would pullout of Iraq while civil war starts and ends and comes back when the dust settles to take off where he left off, if it's over before the chimp's term is over or he's impeached.

[dajoki]

33. i'm afraid chimp gave us...

a gift that may last for decades. even if we pull out the ramifications will be there.

[greenbriar]

22. but but...I thought we couldn't compare???

when it suits them we can but otherwise not???

[AtomicKitten]

25. that's code word for al Queda.

Except al Queda is probably only second to the US when it comes to squatters in Iraq. Occupation is occupation.

[coalition_unwilling]

27. Give me a break, Great Britain (at last count) had 8,000 troops

in Iraq. Since most estimates of al Quaida place its membership at between 500-1,000, they have to be at least third, behind U.S. and Great Britain. (At last count, I think Italy had about 2,000 in-country and Japan had about 400.)

[AtomicKitten]

28. the us in US includes coalition

relax.

[coalition_unwilling]

29. OK -- I just hate the way they keep trying to spin the

Iraqi resistance as al Quaida. It allows the argument for Iraq-9/11 nexus to continue to be made (albeit indirectly, through Iraq-al Quaida nexus).

All anyone had\has to do is read Neil Sheehan's "A Bright, Shining Lie" (about John Paul Vann and Vietnam) to understand fully what is going on now. Toss in a dash of Daniel Ellsberg's "Secrets" to get the full spectrum repression, vis-a-vis NSA wire-tapping, torture, etc.

[dajoki]

30. so true...

All anyone had\has to do is read Neil Sheehan's "A Bright, Shining Lie" (about John Paul Vann and Vietnam) to understand fully what is going on now

[AtomicKitten]

31. Did you see Torture:Guantanamo on Sundance?

Seven people volunteered to undergo many of the same procedures (sans ass-whoopings) outlined in the documents procured under the FIOA. Some of the subjects came in thinking "whatever it takes" was fine. They left with quite a different impression, some tapping out before the 48 hours was up, only imagining how it was for those there going on 4 years.

What was most striking was the LIES perpetrated by this administration regarding their shameful policy of torture.

[Kellanved]

32. The funny thing is: that's what happened after WW2

I've posted it before, but it warrants repeating.

After WW2, the West German democracy was created from scratch using the trained Nazi administration. Judges, politicians, civil servants, policemen - in the first Bundestag, the "former" nazis had an absolute majority. In a very real sense, Germany was given back to the nazis after WW2.

It was either that or giving it to the Russians.

One might argue that leaving Iraq now, would be like giving western Germany to the Russians - disbanding the Baathist administrative structure was the single worst mistake in the post-invasion handling.

[Rocknrule]

34. Reelecting W would be like giving Germany back to the Nazis

...oh wait, nevermind