Little Lord Pissypants hurls the gauntlet at Dems over N.S.A. Surveillance

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

Bush said that he was disappointed that Congress did not address Social Security, but future Congresses will as they crisis gets worse. He added that partisanship is difficult to overcome, particularly when select members of the Democratic Party are calling for possible censure or impeachment of the president over the National Security Agency's terrorist surveillance program.

"I did notice that nobody from the Democratic Party has actually stood up and called for the getting rid of the terrorist surveillance program. You know, if that's what they believe, if people in the party believe that, then they ought to stand up and say it. They ought to stand up and say, 'The tools we're using to protect the American people shouldn't be used.' They ought to take their message to the people and say, 'Vote for me. I promise we're not going to have a terrorist surveillance program,'" Bush said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188607,00.html

[AndyA]

1. Sounds like a challenge to the Democratic Party.

Do you suppose they'll accept the challenge? Or will they cower down because they're afraid of being viewed as weak on terra?

[soothsayer]

2. They need to straighten him out. They're not against fighting

'terra', they're against doing ILLEGAL things to fight terra.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

9. It is absolutely a challenge.

And...despite that the politically correct among DU have a strong aversion to the word...it is a "bitch slap" at the Dems. Anyone wants to insert a different euphemism here, please do so...just make sure it has the same meaning as "bitch slap," because that's exactly what Dry Drunk Bush delivered.

How will the Dems respond? I don't know...the level of what Bush said is so juvenile, so "schoolyard"...on one hand, he's made some damning accusations about the party. On the other, he's standing on the Karl Rove principle of "define the playing field and the rules, make your opponent play your game"...

My honest reaction to this is that the Democrats need to strengthen their own game and not be in the position of "responding" to anything that comes out of Junior's spoiled little mouth.

:patriot:

[karynnj]

12. Actually I think Feingold and others

have to repeat what they've already said before - they're not against the program they're against it being done illegally. This absolutely can't go unanswered - as it's not true.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

14. Answered, but not "framed" by Bush...

There's no reason why the Dems...be it Feingold or anyone else...can't take control of the discussion. Bush's statements aren't true, and they need to be shot down, but once that is accomplished we need to close the window of opportunity for him to repeat this behavior.

We need to get out of the "Nancy Pelosi Press Conference" mode, in which she goes before the cameras and rips Junior's latest fatwa to shreds and the Dems do their "woot woot" and high five bullshit and that's it.

"Woot woot" doesn't win elections. "Woot woot" doesn't end senseless wars and rebuild shattered economies. "Woot woot" is nothing more than wanking...pure and simple. We need less "woot woot" and more ACTION.

And don't even get me started on Joe Biden.

:evilgrin:

[karynnj]

15. I was trying to say essentialy the same thing

I agree - and I think on the spying the issue is very simple - the numbers (which I've forgotten of N claims out of 1N,NNN requests - where each N is a number between 0 -9 coupled with the fact that it's done in days - and they are allowed to spy first makes it clear that the balance was already struck between privacy and national security.

[VolcanoJen]

13. I'll bet Russ Feingold will take the challenge right to Lord Pissypants

C'mon Dems... fight, for once in your damned lives, fight!!

[ixion]

3. read: I dare you to try and investigate me for violating the Constitution

and I think Dems, Greens, Conservatives and Libertarians should all rise to meet that chanllenge.

[thinkingwoman]

4. He's almost right

What Dems actually should say is:

Vote for me and there won't be spying on and searching Americans without warrants.

[C_U_L8R]

5. That's NOT the issue

What a weasel for twisting it like that.

The issue is that the dumb fuck BROKE THE LAW...
and he should be censured and impeached,

No one is suggesting (except his protectors) that the law be changed.

Arrrgh... i wanted to break the screen when he said this...
and he got all smirky cause he thought he was gonna get away with it

IMPEACH THIS CLOWN... NOW !!!!

[BOSSHOG]

6. And he and mehlman know that's just what the base wants to hear

The ignorant religiously insane will take those words and run with them. Fuck the constitution and fuck a competent person in charge. Its the "conservative" way. And disregard the true position of Senator Feingold dumbass. It is so pathetic and sad that this tactic is SOP for his party. But republicans know that their "conservative" base is too proud to break out of that 34 percentile who approves of him; and thats what they are holding onto.

[Inland]

7. Bush sets up his straw man again. How transparent this shithead is.

"Some people say that we shouldn't have surveillance on terrorists and should set ourselves on fire. Well, let them run on that."

Fact is, NOBODY KNOWS if Bush is spying on terrorists, not even Bush. What we DO know is that he is spying on a lot of people who AREN'T terrorists, and what's more, locking some people up forever without trials.

[SteppingRazor]

8. Yet another straw man from the King of the Straw Man Argument...

No one is saying we shouldn't wiretap terrorist suspects. What Demcorats are saying is that we should have to go through FISA courts. For him to not acknowledge that shows that either:

A) He has no idea what he's talking about
B) He's too stupid to understand the debate
C) He knows, but he's a fucking asshole who insists on trying to frame fabricated issues that he will always win.

With Bush, it could easily be incompetence or stupidity (A and B), but in this case, I go with C.

[ginnyinWI]

11. I go with "C" too

He is an old hand at twisting a question into a battle with a straw man!

And his followers believe him, and think all Dems are a whiny bunch of traitorous idiots. The ones he has left, that is.

[DUHandle]

10. Bush did not address Social Security

When Bush's privatization plan became dead in the water, he had the opportunity to adjust rates, caps borrow, or repay it from the “budget.”

[Harald Ragnarsson]

16. Or maybe ask why this program needs to be done without warrants?

Does the FISA court have terrorist connections?

[rocktivity]

17. Dems do NOT want to get rid of the "terrorist surveillance program"

They want to get rid of the WARRANTLESS DOMESTIC SPYING program because it's ILLEGAL!!!!

As for social security, roll back the tax cuts, reduce or eliminate the $90,000 salary cap--crisis over!

:headbang:
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