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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 04:29 PM
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Democrats Say Bush Violated Constitution (on budget)

Democrats Say Bush Violated Constitution

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WASHINGTON - House Democrats want President Bush to say whether he knew of what they call a "fundamental constitutional problem" with the $39 billion deficit reduction package he signed last month.

A letter to Bush, signed by House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi and Rep. Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record) of California and released Thursday, is the latest challenge to a bill that was passed in slightly different forms by the House and Senate before it was sent to Bush.

"A bill is not law unless the same version is passed by both the House and the Senate and signed by the president," top Democrats wrote to Bush. He signed it on Feb. 8.

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Others do not. A liberal watchdog group, Public Citizen, filed a lawsuit Tuesday asking a federal court to throw the budget bill out. A Republican activist also has sued in federal court in Alabama.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060323/ap_on_go_co/budget_democrats_1


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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 04:32 PM
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1. Bush Violated Constitution
On EVERYTHING.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 04:49 PM
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2. Pelosi/Waxman Letter
March 22, 2006

President George W. Bush

The White House

1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW

Washington, D.C. 20500


Dear Mr. President:

We are writing to ask for a full explanation of what you and your senior staff knew about the fundamental constitutional problem in the Deficit Reduction Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 2005 when you signed the legislation on February 8, 2006.

Last week, Mr. Waxman asked White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card to respond to evidence that the President “placed himself above the Constitution” by signing the Reconciliation Act with knowledge that the bill before him differed from the legislation that passed the U.S. House of Representatives.

Today the Wall Street Journal reported that the Speaker’s chief of staff “called a high-ranking White House official” and “asked the administration to delay proceedings until the problem could be addressed by the House and Senate.” According to this account, “when the Speaker and Senate Majority Leader … went to the White House for the Feb. 8 ceremony, they expected only a ‘mock ceremony’ – not a real signing of the parchment that had been presented in error.”

It is a basic constitutional principle – which every child learns in grade school – that a bill is not a law unless the same version is passed by both the House and the Senate and signed by the President. Yet there is now growing evidence that your actions on February 8 breached this fundamental tenet of our democracy with the full knowledge of high-ranking congressional and White House officials.

More than 100 years ago, the Supreme Court addressed whether a bill could become law if the version signed by the President differed from the version passed by the House and Senate. In the case of Field v. Clark, 143 U.S. 649 (1892), the Court held that the President could rely on the attestation of the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate that the legislation before the President was the same as the legislation that passed the Congress. But the Court also recognized that the outcome would be different if there were a “deliberate conspiracy” to ignore the Presentment Clause of the Constitution.

As the Court wrote:

It is said that … it becomes possible for the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President of the Senate to impose upon the people as a law a bill that was never passed by Congress. But this possibility is too remote to be seriously considered in the present inquiry. It suggests a deliberate conspiracy to which the presiding officers, the committees on enrolled bills, and the clerks of the two houses must necessarily be parties, all acting with a common purpose to defeat an expression of the popular will in the mode prescribed by the Constitution.

Prior to February 8, the possibility of any President knowingly signing legislation that did not pass Congress was “too remote to be seriously considered” by most Americans. But if Mr. Waxman’s letter and the Wall Street Journal are accurate, this possibility can no longer be dismissed as unthinkably remote.

We all share a common responsibility to uphold the Constitution, a responsibility that may well have been breached in the manner by which the signing of the Deficit Reduction Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 2005 occurred. Given the seriousness of the breach that has been reported, we request that you provide the Congress, as well as the press and the public, with a full and candid explanation of the activities of February 8 that turned the “mock signing ceremony” that the Speaker and Senate Majority Leader expected into a real one.

We look forward to your response.


Sincerely,


Nancy Pelosi
House Democratic Leader

Henry A. Waxman
Ranking Member
House Government Reform

http://www.democrats.reform.house.gov/Documents/20060323101711-75937.pdf


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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 05:21 PM
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3. How many impeachable offenses is that?
I keep losing track.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 05:35 PM
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4. Probably not his fault. Have you seen how big a budget is? If one of
Edited on Thu Mar-23-06 05:36 PM by MJDuncan1982
the chambers alters it a bit after the other has approved it then that chamber is to blame for failure to disclose.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 05:55 PM
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5. His failure to keep his party in line is just as bad.
The majority party is responsible for each committee and chamber, so the blame lies squarely with the Republican Party, of which he is the figurehead and guiding light.

I've only seen pictures of the stacks that make up the budget, btw.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 05:58 PM
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6. Well he is politically responsible for the party but not he is not
constitutionally responsible.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:05 PM
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7. Agreed. Hey, I'm just slinging shit, hoping some sticks.
:thumbsup:
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:06 PM
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8. Haha yea...it is beginning to I think...nt
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