Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

John Kerry: President Fails to Explain Why He’s Above the Law (Jan. 23)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 08:57 AM
Original message
John Kerry: President Fails to Explain Why He’s Above the Law (Jan. 23)
01/23/2006

John Kerry: President Fails to Explain Why He’s Above the Law



Below is a statement from Senator John Kerry:

“One of the few things I enjoyed hearing in Judge Alito’s confirmation hearings was his statement that no one, not even the President, is above the law. If only the man who nominated him for the Supreme Court took those words to heart. Today the president spoke for nearly two hours, but failed to explain why he considers himself above the law. The president has yet to explain why the secret FISA courts are not good enough or fast enough, or tell Congress what changes need to be made in the law. It’s time for a real investigation to get to the truth.


http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=250901

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
rogerashton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 09:07 AM
Response to Original message
1. That's weak!
It sounds like a president might indeed be above the law, if only he were clever enough to "explain" it right. Alito's poisition is stronger than that!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. Calling for an investigation is weak? n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. This argument was advanced through the filibuster attempt
1/27/06

Talking about Judge Alito and his views on the 'unitary executive.'

Sen. Kerry: Now, if his judicial opinions and legal memoranda do not convince you of these things, you can take a look at the speech he gave to the Federalist Society in which, as a sitting judge, he ``preached the gospel'' of the Reagan Justice Department nearly 15 years after he left it; a speech in which he announced his support of the ``unitary executive theory'' on the grounds that it ``best captures the meaning of the Constitution's text and structure.''

As Beth Nolan, former White House counsel to President Clinton, describes it:

``Unitary executive'' is a small phrase with almost limitless import: At the very least, it embodies the concept of Presidential control over all Executive functions, including those that have traditionally been exercised by ``independent'' agencies and other actors not subject to the President's direct control. Under this meaning, Congress may not, by statute, insulate the Federal Reserve or the Federal Election Commission ..... from Presidential control.

Judge Alito believes you can.

The phrase is also used to embrace expansive interpretations of the President's substantive powers, and strong limits on the Legislative and Judicial branches. This is the apparent meaning of the phrase in many of this Administration's signing statements.

Now, most recently, one of those signing statements was used to preserve the President's right to just outright ignore the ban on torture that was passed overwhelmingly by the Congress. We had a long fight on this floor. I believe the vote was somewhere in the 90s, if I recall correctly. Ninety-something said this is the intent of Congress: to ban torture. But the President immediately turned around and did a signing in which he suggested an alternative interpretation. And Judge Alito has indicated his support for that Executive power.

During the hearings, Judge Alito attempted to convince the committee that the unitary executive theory is not about the scope of Presidential power. But that is just flat wrong. Not only does the theory read Executive power very broadly, but, by necessity, it reads congressional power very narrowly. In other words, as the President gains exclusive power over a matter, the Constitution withholds Congress's authority to regulate in that field. That is not, by any originalist interpretation, what the Founding Fathers intended.

Let me give you a real-life example, as described again by Beth Nolan:

hen the Reagan Administration undertook the covert arms-for-hostages operation that eventually grew into the Iran-Contra scandal, it triggered the requirement of the National Security Act that the Administration provide Congress ``timely notification'' of the covert operation.

Reading the phrase ``timely notification'' against the background of the unitary executive theory, the Justice Department stated, ``The President's authority to act in the field of international relations is plenary, exclusive, and subject to no legal limitations save those derived from the applicable provisions of the Constitution itself.''

According to Justice, under that interpretation, Congress's role in this matter was limited because its only constitutional powers in the area of foreign affairs were those that directly involved the exercise of legal authority over American citizens. Justice even qualified this statement, saying that by ``American citizens'' it meant ``the private citizenry'' and not the President or other executive officials.


Ahm, seriously, I think attempting to hold up a Supreme Court nomination because you fear that this one person might impose a judicial philosophy that seriously unbalances the concept of 'separate but equal' branches of government is an indication of not agreeing. Unitary Executive theory and all it's weird and dangerous implications: ahm, he's against it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. Not weak at all, as obviously an investigation SCARES the heck out of
Repugs!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 09:49 AM
Response to Original message
5. This was the right way to go. It was a smart move on Kerry's part.
Investigate first, have the President explain himself and in doing so,the President will have to answer to the accusations that he isn't using the wiretap program legally.Make him explain and defend himself. This way,our party isn't tagged with being weak on defense and homeland security and the wiretapping issue gets a lot more airplay with the President on the defense.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rogerashton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 09:20 AM
Response to Original message
6. It's weak!
Kerry says he wants the president to EXPLAIN WHY he is above the law.

What, there could be an explanation that Kerry would consider correct? If so, then Kerry is not committed to American Freedom. If not, then the statement is dishonest -- or confused. In any case weak.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. Ever hear of a "rhetorical question"?
Geez.

Of course the president can't "explain why he is above the law", to the satisfaction of the American people - and Kerry is saying if he can't then let's get on with the investigation!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rogerashton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. OK, it's a rhetorical question.
So? There is such a thing as weak rhetoric, and this is a good example of it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. There is nothing weak about it.
Kerry had already said several times in December that it was illegal. From memory - there were at least a Bill Press interview, an Ed Shultz interview and an AAR interview (which was broadcast on Christmas). These were all on radio. In January, while in Israel he said it on the Wolf Blitzer show when questioned on Gore's speech.

I'm sure there are Kerry quotes that no one is above the law. It's a pretty standard tenet of the US system of government.

It's a very strong charge and Kerry knows it has no positive answer - and he knows most Americans know it too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. your argument is weak. of course bush cannot explain how he is above
the law. the whole statement kerry puts out implies bush cannot explain why he is above the law. i think you are just finding reason to attack kerry, even though kerry is one of them that continually stands up and challenges bush. what i am sure you demand of the democrats, and probably complain they do not do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 10:03 AM
Response to Original message
9. Nothing about is WEAK---Conyers is doing the exact same thing!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 26th 2024, 02:53 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC