Here's my scary tinfoil-hat conjecture about Bush/GOP immigration plan

[Ian David]

Okay, this is purely hypothetical, perhaps even ad absurdum. I fully admit this is probably (or hopefully) nuts:

1) The border fence to keep illegals out is also being planned to keep Americans in.

2) We're already arresting people for being in the wrong place at the wrong time when rounding-up terror suspects. The plan is to use immigration enforcement as a way to round-up legal immigrants and American citizens.

3) The infrastructure that will need to be created to arrest, round-up, detain and deport illegal immigrants is just a step in a process to allow the government to arrest, round-up, detain and dispose of non-immigrants.

4) Bush's plan to register illegal immigrants as "guest workers" will eventually be used to start rounding-up and deporting those who have registered.

Keep in mind that much of the Bush / GOP strategy is continuing to be taken directly from Hitler's playbook.

Can't happen here?

Fuck yes.

It's been happening since November 3, 2000.


Martin Niemoeller
(1892-1984)

Martin Niemoeller was a Protestant pastor born January 14, 1892, in Lippstadt, Westphalia. He was a submarine commander in World War I. He was anti-communist and initially supported the Nazis until the church was made subordinate to state authority.

In 1934, he started the Pastors’ Emergency League to defend the church. Hitler became angered by Niemoeller’s rebellious sermons and popularity and had him arrested on July 1, 1937. He was tried the following year and sentenced to seven months in prison and fined.

After his release, Hitler ordered him arrested again. he spent the next seven years in concentration camps in “protective custody.“ He was liberated in 1945 and was elected President of the Protestant church in Hesse and Nassau in 1947. He held the title until 1964. He was also a President of the World Council of Churches in the 1960’s.

Niemoeller was a pacifist who spoke out against nuclear weapons. He is best known for his powerful statement about the failure of Germans to speak out against the Nazis:

“First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.”

He died in Wiesbaden on March 6, 1984.

More:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/niemoeller.html

Speak out for the immigrants now, before there is no one left to speak out for you!

[Sammy Pepys]

1. Well....

1) The border fence to keep illegals out is also being planned to keep Americans in.

Not likely IMHO.

2) We're already arresting people for being in the wrong place at the wrong time when rounding-up terror suspects. The plan is to use immigration enforcement as a way to round-up legal immigrants and American citizens.

Not so far-fetched.

3) The infrastructure that will need to be created to arrest, round-up, detain and deport illegal immigrants is just a step in a process to allow the government to arrest, round-up, detain and dispose of non-immigrants.

Again, not so far-fetched.

4) Bush's plan to register illegal immigrants as "guest workers" will eventually be used to start rounding-up and deporting those who have registered.

Pretty likely, I think. I don't think the ability to travel from place to place is going to be affected much, but I do think this new layer of enforcement will focus its sights on "non-illegals"...maybe at some point on people active in organizations that threaten the power structure.

[BrklynLiberal]

2. Nothing is too farfetched for this administration

They Thought They Were Free
The Germans, 1933-45
Milton Mayer

But Then It Was Too Late

"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little,to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

<snip>

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’
<snip>

[Mrspeeker]

3. Where will the GOP get the money for this project?

It doesn't seem as if they are doing so well in that field.
Do they seriously think they can deport 10 million people who make up most of our working class? who will shine there shoes and do their laundry?
What a cheap shot at what made this country the melting pot.

[Ian David]

4. But... but... he's a uniter, not a divider!

Our country can't possibly be divided over this.

[LiberalEsto]

5. Halliburton? The missing Iraq War millions?

Maybe the money was socked away for a rainy day.

[valerief]

6. first they raise the debt limit to 10 trillion, then they borrow money

from China

[DBoon]

8. It's empty rhetoric

They just want to really abuse immigrant workers to:

- Make their xenophobic voters happy

- Ensure a degraded, semi-slave work force that will accept any work for fear of being deported

[doublethink]

7. Somehow ....... it's obvious that .....

Mandatory 'National I.D. Legislation' will come about from all this one way or another ....... for everybody (legal or non).

link to 'real I.D. http://www.realnightmare.org/ peace.