Iraq in terrible shape, who is glad that they were right

[madmunchie]

about not supporting the decision on going to Iraq? Would you rather be right and continue watching this disaster, or would you rather see everything go right and for Iraq to form a Government and cooperate with each other and be peaceful and for you to be wrong?

Personally, seeing and imagining all of the suffering and horror, I can honestly say that I wish I would have been wrong.

[MadMaddie]

1. No one is glad that they were right...

We should have never had to take sides on this debacle that should have never happened.

The * administration was warned that it would be a debacle without proper planning and they mucked up the whole thing...

History will judge the US and it's leadership and how wrong it was....

[Redstone]

2. I see a Straw Man being knocked down.

The "carnage and suffering" is NOT the fault of those of us who paid enough attention that we weren't fooled by Bush's Bullshit.

Our wishes now do not change anything.

Redstone

[LuckyTheDog]

3. Polar Express theory of Iraq

I often refer to Polar Express theory of the Iraq War.

According to that theory, everything bad about Iraq can be blamed on those who harbor bad, negative thoughts about the war.

Conversely, if we all just "truly believe," then we'll all hear the silver bell and the magical train will arrive and take us to a stable and democratic Iraq!

[Redstone]

5. And then we'll all have ice cream, tra la, tra la! I like your theory.

You know, you should be getting royalties from the Bush Administration for using your theory.

Well said.

Redstone

[FrenchieCat]

4. I am sadden to have been as right as I was!

Because in the end, this is a no win situation....considering that Pandora's Box as been opened!

It ain't about proving Bush wrong as much as hoping that we can somehow make his fucked up decision righter than wrong(er)!

[madmunchie]

6. You really seem to feel the same way that I do

I am also saddened to be right. I just don't see any good ending from this. The damage is being done, daily and ongoing. I just wish it would end, I feel so bad for what we are doing in that country.

[FrenchieCat]

9. That's when you know how bad the decision was.....

when in a long run, at this point....the damage has been done, and although we'd want to think it couldn't get worse.....it actually could.

What Bush has started could be the basis for WWIII down the line, although we may not know it yet. That's how that shit happens....little by little, and then one single small incident happens one day, and the whole thing explodes....

Long reaching Consequences are a bitch! :(

[lyonn]

27. Never have we had a Pres. so bad that his messes

couldn't be fixed by the next administration, not so with bush.

Although, we now see the ramifications of the Reagan admin. Right wing Judges being appointed, weakening of our civil rights, corp. power over the masses.

[wtmusic]

7. About all it does

is reinforce one's confidence. When people I had known all my life placidly accepting a position which, to me, was unconscionable--I admit the thought crossed my mind that maybe I was just way off the mark.

But it was them.

And if Iraq did settle down and a democratic government of sorts took shape, the questions don't end there. Would the admin be encouraged to invade other countries because of their "success"? Would the government be little more than a US puppet? Would it guarantee the election of more Repub administrations, to be the source greater and greater evils in the world?

[MissWaverly]

8. I think of Iraq as another Katrina

I felt the same way watching those people begging, please, please help us and I can't do
anything. I wish the country could be rebuilt, our soldiers brought home safely, and I
would wish for peace between our countries but I think that GWB has started a new cold
war which will go on for generations.

[mmonk]

10. Difficult question.

If everything went right, would we already be engaged in our next step (war with Iran and Syria)?

[neoblues]

11. And that's a fact. nt.

[mcranor]

12. Not to say glad, but..

..but imagine how things might look if the war had gone well. They would've moved right along with the master plan, right? Who was next on the agenda? Syria? Iran? Hard to say where we might be spilling blood now, had the war gone 'well.'

[dweller]

13. Egypt is the prize

according to the Rove ppt.

dp

[mcranor]

15. You're kidding, no?

Egypt?!? Sheesh. Boundless depravity.

[newyawker99]

20. Hi mcranor!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Skittles]

14. I feel no vindication in knowing I was right

too many people are being killed to feel ANY sort of satisfaction

[Why Syzygy]

16. I'm glad I was right.

A lying, deceptive, ill conceived, bloody thirsty, maniacal Bush administration is not going to make me feel bad about being right. They could have been right. They didn't want to.

Unfortunately, the suffering we see strikes our hearts cold. A frozen heart, such as the Bush administration has, cannot feel coldness. We are suffering too, though not nearly, nearly as much as they are (understatement). And there is but a small handful of people to blame. I'm not one of them.

[gratuitous]

17. How could I miss being right?

This invasion was doomed to fail from the beginning, and it didn't take any specialized knowledge or understanding to see that. My analogy is seeing a kid jabbing at an electrical outlet with a fork. All the happy thinking in the world isn’t going to change what you know the outcome is going to be: The kid’s going make contact sooner or later and get thrown across the room. The major question is whether he’ll be dead or alive when he stops twitching.

Now, if someone were to tell you that once Junior makes contact, instead of being electrocuted, he’s going to poop out a pill that cures cancer, you would think that person was insane. But if that person was backed by the entire U.S. government, and the media, and the talk shows, would your voice be heard amidst the insanity? Probably not, and therein lies the problem. Once the question gets re-framed from “Will Junior toast himself or not” to “How can you state definitively that he won’t poop out a pill that cures cancer,” the debate is pretty much over. You can’t argue against such insanity, even though you know the cancer-curing pill is pretty far down the list of possible outcomes.

Finally, Junior closes the contact, and gets thrown across the room, his little body twitching and smoking. Just like you knew would happen. And suddenly, the same maniacs who were trying to tell you about the miracle that they knew was about to happen are blaming you and trying to make you feel bad for what you knew to be inevitable.

Do I feel bad that Iraq has devolved into a quagmire? How could it have turned out any other way?

[July]

18. Are you serious? Who could be happy about that FUBAR?

But you set up a false choice between being right about the predicted disaster and "being wrong" by seeing a post-invasion Iraq moving peacefully toward democracy (an outcome that was iffy at best, anyway). There was always the choice of NOT GOING INTO IRAQ IN THE FIRST PLACE, thereby saving many lives and billions of dollars, not to mention our credibility internationally. That's what I would have preferred. No-one with even half a brain would want to be right that Iraq would be a mess -- we predicted it, but hoped it would not come to pass. The fault for the disaster does not belong to us for predicting it, though; it lies with those who thought they were going to have a cakewalk and insisted on invading.

Our side KNEW there would be horror and suffering, so we opposed the entire endeavor.

[madmunchie]

23. Of course there was a choice. The choice between life and deathe.

* chose death, because his goal was more important than human life.

I just think that at this point of time, that Bush would have been right, that there were WMD, that there was an imminent threat, that Sadam was going to do more horrible things to life AND I wish that we would have been met by roses, and that "Mission Accomplished" really was the end of the battle. I would be willing to surrender all of that to just see an end to this horrible suffering and grotesque action by the U.S.

Even though I didn't vote for Bush either time, Even though I worked against Bush, I feel guilty because I am a citizen of the U.S. and I feel part of the carnage.

[July]

25. You should be glad there were not WMDs or an imminent threat.

I am very glad Bush was wrong and we were right on that one.

If we hadn't gone into Iraq, tens of thousands of Iraqis would be alive, along with over 2300 of our fellow citizens. And 17,000 of our fellow citizens would not have been wounded, some of them horrifically. Iraq would not have LESS clean water, electricity, jobs, and so on than before the war.

Yes, they'd probably still have Saddam.

Again, who would want either a serious Saddam threat (which we were also right about) OR this quagmire?

We ARE part of the carnage, like it or not. The only reason I'm glad "I was right" is that I know that I never supported lies, torture, and corruption. What's happening in Iraq gives none of us any pleasure, though.

[lyonn]

28. Whoever (?) is running Iraq now may be another

tyrant, who knows. The news indicates there are death squads. Who do they represent? Hooded people crashing into houses during the wee hours of the a.m. Who is blowing up mosques, etc.? Again, sounds very much like a Saddam situation all over again. Hope I'm wrong of course.

[Bridget Burke]

19. Of course I'm not glad I was right.

But don't blame the carnage on those of us who predicted it.

[APPLE314]

21. IT BREAKS MY HEART

Wars should be fought from the top down and with swords. There, I said it again.

[Jim__]

22. There was almost no way to be wrong.

This was so fucking predictable. It took a complete ass to get us into this.

[Sapere aude]

24. We were right and if the country would have listened to us there would be

no disaster. It is those who promoted the war that have blood on there hands and will have to answer for it not those who apposed the war from the start.

[leesa]

26. Not me. The Iraqis I have known have been such lovely, gentle people and

it's sad to see their country torn to shreds. My first thought when the WTC was struck was that maybe Iraq had done it because the 'news' had recently come out that our sanctions (US and Israel only ones to not lift them)had been responsible for the deaths of over 200,000 Iraqi children. It passed, of course when events unfolded, like the "found" passport and I realized our government had done 9-11. It's a sad thing.

[Maraya1969]

29. I don't think any of us enjoy seeing the suffering. I am not happy at the

mess. I am pissed! It is not like I want to go to my Rethug friends and smirk and say: "I told you so" It is more like I want to shove a report on what is really going on and scream: "I fucking told you so, you fucking idiot"

I feel sick when I see our soldiers missing limbs and pictures of blown up Iraqi children. Nothing about it is happy.