Could we actually lose seats this year?

[Daylin Byak]

I was at politics1.com this morning and there were talking about Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm and how she is losing popularity and that she and her GOP opponent Dick DeVos are neck and neck at 44%

at each news story they are a forum section where you can post your thought on the preticular subject. One guy wrote in saying the whole northeast will go republican. Lynn Swann defeating PA Gov.Ed Rendell, Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle will be defeated by Mark Green and so on, here's what i'm talking about:

Connecticut Liberal:


..........Not only Michigan will go Republican but many of the upper northern midwestern states are going red and between now and the end of the next decade they will fimly be in the red state status--such as Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and one Eastern state.....Pennsylvania.

........It's a process of time but it's already rolling that way........And all four of those states could have Republican Governors as early as this year and Ohio retaining.

.........I know your looking forward to the Democrats splitting 25-25 with the GOP but you may have to be dealing also with Gov. Pawlenty, Gov. Green, Gov. DeVos, Gov. Swann and Gov. Blackwell.........Wow!......that sends shivers up and down my spine.......Whew.

Pat R


I may not agree with this but I can honestly say that Granholm is out the door, Face it she has taken a major blow due to the decline of Ford and GM.

But could this be true, after all that shit that has happened in the ranks of the GOP, the dems could lose more seats?

[Caution]

1. No chance.

Losing a governorship or two is a possibility, but we stand to gain a few as well (MA for one).

[dusty64]

2. devos is one

scary reconstructionist extremist. If the vapor vote machines have their way I'm sure the "value" voters will make a sudden comeback and save the rethugs from disaster.

[Richard Steele]

4. Yup. Another "surprise upset" at the voting booth.

[Hippo_Tron]

19. LOVE the SD Quarter in your signature

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

3. I don't worry about Governorships as much as I do Congressional seats

And in that area, we stand to make HUGE gains.

Plus, I don't buy that we're going to lose a lot of seats anyway. Maybe a few, but those stand to be offset.

[TreasonousBastard]

5. Granholm's in trouble? Maybe if the public...

is that stupid, they deserve the rotten government they elect. Give 'em another two years of Republicans running Congress and another eight years of the White House vacuuming tha last bit of value out of the country. When we have nothing left but an enormous military and a population being taxed 100% of the reduced minimum wage to pay for it, they'll still be waving their damn flags.

Yeah, we could lose seats-- never assume anything in politics. I don't thinke things are as dire as all that, but we still have a fight on our hands.

No doubt that the country has become more "conservative" over the years, and it's a lot easier to get elected as a wingnut than as a liberal most places. Although Shrub and the Republicans are in the dumper now, when those polled get into the voting booth, how many of them will actually vote Democratic?

You can try to blame redistricting, Diebold, or anything else, but these things in one way or another have been around since the beginning of the republic and we have managed to survive. No, the problem is deeper than that-- a country that believes its own bullshit is doomed to failure.

As Pogo said 50 years ago-- "We have met the enemy and it is us."

[skipos]

6. The recent rasmussen poll is the only one that has them neck and neck

I think she is in for a fight, but it is ridiculous to say she is out.

The auto industry is hurting her, but there are more people who blame Bush for our economy than people who blame Granholm.

[0007]

21. Right on!

[Ignacio Upton]

49. Isn't DeVos for outsourcing?

How the hell can someone who supports outsourcing get elected in Michigan?

[quaoar]

7. What are those people smoking?

We will pick up probably five to seven governorships.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/26/politics/26govs.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5088&en=d0123da941d96520&ex=1298610000&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

We stand a good chance to pick up New York, Ohio, Nevada, Massachussets, Maryland, Colorado, Florida, California, Alabama, Alaska and Minnesota. We might lose Iowa, Michigan, Maine, Oregon, Illinois and possibly Pennsylvania.

[liberaltrucker]

23. Alabama???? Dream on!!

I'm from there. :wtf: have YOU been smoking??

With all due respect, of course.
:)

[rockymountaindem]

24. You used to be cool

Then you got rid of the Broncos avatar. For shame!

[liberaltrucker]

26. It'll be back come football season

Rest assured
:toast:

[rockymountaindem]

28. Good to know

:toast:

[leesa]

8. Is it wishful thinking? Gov Doyle seems to be well liked

[mopinko]

9. if elections are not fixed

we are screwed. take it to the bank.

[Number9Dream]

10. PA Gov. race...

I'll only comment about the race I'm familiar with... Pennsylvania. Rendell's top campaign promise was to lower property taxes. Three and a half years later, my property taxes are higher than ever. The idiots in Harrisburg (having learned nothing from the Homestead Exemption fiasco) made Act 72 optional for the school districts... 95% ignored Act 72. Rendell should be way ahead against a novice like Swann, but there are a lot of angry taxpayers here in PA.

[Daylin Byak]

18. Here's the problem.....

Here in Western Pennsylvania, Rendell has been taken alot of heat due to the "arena situtation" in Pittsburgh i'll explain. Here in Pittsburgh we have a hockey team called the Pittsburgh Penguins, they play in an Arena called the Mellon arena(the biggest excuse for an arena you'll ever see)the igloo is 46 years old, the oldest arena in the NHL and it needs to be replaced.

Since Rendell took office one of main issues he has placed in PA is the legalization of riverboat slot gambling and ever since he came up with the idea he said that profits from the slot revenue should go to the penguins to fund there arena. Oringally in the slot bill it was said that profits shall go to the pens to fund the arena but the GOP in the general assembly took the language out of the bill and it was passed.

So then what the penguins did was to get a slot license(cause there will be one stand alone slot casino in Pittsburgh)so what they did was partner up with the isle of capri, a casino company based in biloxi mississippi, and they have the support from politicans in the general assembly, city council, fans in the area and the support from the pittsburgh post gazette and the NHL.But the pens have no chance of getting that license due to the other company vying for it, called forest city who has partnered up with casino company harrah's they'll get it of there contributations they made to the Governor, mayor and county excetutive.

Now Rendell on thursday had announced that he has a plan for the pens in case they don't get the license called "Plan B" a plan which will be made up of tax money, seat revene and the pens paying atleast half of the costs. He has taken heat cause voters rather have Rendell support a plan that dosen't involve the use of tax dollars cause in 1998 there was a backlash in the area when the Allegheny County gave tax dollars to the steelers and pirates to fund there new stadiums even those voters voted to prevent this.

In addition to the new arena the pens have partnered up with nationwide reality to create an arena district(just like what the columbus blue jackets have) the plan is to create shops in the area and to revitalize the lower hill district(pittsburgh's "ghetto").

Do you see what i'm talking about? come November we will make the arena an political issue for him, an issue that may cost him his job. cause us penguin fans were didicated.

Anyone who would like to learn more about the penguins arena plan can go to www.pittsburghfirst.com

[AX10]

27. I assume that you will still support Rendell.

Because if you are going to support Swann, then it makes no sense to support Pennachio for Senate.

[blue neen]

30. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post.

Are you saying you want Rendell to lose his job to Swann?

[Daylin Byak]

35. I'm mulling it over

If the arena situtation dosen't get solved by November, where there isn't any progress, just talk(like what's going on now) Then yes I will vote for Swann. But if the penguins/isle of capri get the license or if they don't and put plan B into the works then I will vote for Rendell cause although i am extremely pissed at Rendell, i really don't want to see a novice like Lynn Swann run PA cause you know what will happen.

With the GOP controlling the general assembly,it will be all rubber stamping from here. With a Democrat as the Governor he kinda serves as a check cause of the GOP controlled general assembly.

Like I said before, I have to watch and wait as the situtation develop.

[blue neen]

39. I'm stunned.

Rendell is the reason there are going to be slots in the first place. He hasn't done everything perfectly, but vote for a Bush lover like Lynn Swann? NEVER.

[Daylin Byak]

40. Like I said before

I'm mulling it over, give me time I have to wait until to situtation pans out.

[rockymountaindem]

46. You'd vote a hockey team's interests over the people of PA?

That's an incomprehensible level of fandom.

[Daylin Byak]

48. Yes

I would vote for the penguins intreasts over the people of PA cause me and other penguin fans around the area love the team to death(I on the other hand love the team more than the steelers, which is rare in western PA)and we will do anything in our power to see that they get a new arena and not move to kansas city or houston.

Are you even from western PA, cause if your not you probally won't understand the situtation we have right now.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

11. Wouldn't be surprised

if we lost governorships and seats in both houses.

Yes, still amazingly bitter about 04.

[rockymountaindem]

12. Why wouldn't you be surprised?

I think we'll gain a majority of governorships, as well as some seats in the Senate and House, but not enough to get a majority in either one. However, I think we'll be in good shape for 2008.

[windy252]

13. The answer to that is kind of obvious

Some of us are waiting for a "miracualous upset" due to Diebold "glitches."

[rockymountaindem]

14. Not necessarily

There are some here who don't ascribe our losses since 2000 to Diebold et. al. but rather to our supposed poor performance as a party.

[DFW]

15. Absolutely

My prediction 4 months before the 2004 election was:
Kerry wins, and Bush stays in office. I stand by that,
and maintain it is indeed what happened.

As long as the Republicans have absolute control over
the vote-counting machines, there will continue to be
"surprising upsets" in which only Republicans win.
Just like in 2002, 2004, and the 2005 Ohio referenda.

If the electronic voting machines are abolished, we
can pick up seats everywhere. If not, our chances are
greatly if not irreparably diminished.

[Jim__]

16. Yes!

Whenever there is a vote, you can lose. The repubs are very good at coming up with distracting issues. What will it be this year? Abortion? Immigration? Democratic weakness on National Security? Flag burning?

Are we ready to take whatever distraction they come up with and shove it right up their ass? We better be!

[AX10]

17. Again, here is how I am seeing the 2006 mid term:

After the November election, the government should look something like this (the range possible range of seats for Democrats is given):

House: 210D-240D
Senate: 47D-53D
Governor: 25D-30D
State Legislatures: 51%D-58%D

[Hippo_Tron]

20. nevermind n/t

n/t

[rockymountaindem]

22. That's a huge and all-important range there, friend.

That's like saying "I predict we will either win, tie, or lose".

[AX10]

25. My point is that the Dems will GAINS seats at every level..

this Fall. The Dems are NOT going to have a net loss of seats.

A majority might become a reality, or it may not.

[madfloridian]

29. Yes, if DU is any indication of real life.

Yes, we could lose very easily. There are so many not willing to accept compromise at all, and they will not vote for the Democrats unless they get all they want.

And they won't get all they want, and only God knows what they will do.

Yes, we could lose.

[blue neen]

31. Maybe it's just my opinion, but

it seems like the Democratic Underground has turned into the Negativity Underground.

Other than the trolls, I don't understand the attitudes I'm seeing the past few nights.

[windy252]

32. I'm sorry

I'm still kind of bitter about '04. And I've been dealing with some personal issues. So that could be why I seem kind of negative.

[blue neen]

33. I definitely understand how you feel.

It took me a loooong time to get over 2004. We put our hearts and souls into it, didn't we?

We are very blessed in this part of PA. John Murtha is our congressman. :) It's also looking good that we won't have to put up with that idiot Santorum for much longer!

[windy252]

34. Hopefully we'll be able to get rid of Talent too.

It just never ceases to amaze that some people are still trying to justify our mini-Bush's actions in this state.

[Daylin Byak]

37. Hey anything can happen...

Take the mid-term elections of 1998. With the Democrats basically getting burned at the stake due to the Clinton impeachment trial. House Speaker Newt Gingrich(R-GA) said that because of this the republicans will gain atleast 30 seats in the house. You know what happened, not only did the Democrats kept control of all there seats but gained 5 more seats in the process. And because of this Gingrich was basically laughed out of the House and resigned in 1999.

So members of DU, anything can happen.

[JohnnyCougar]

36. Hogwash.

Doyle is not about to lose to Green. Doyle is weak, but Green is not exactly leading in the polls.

Granholm still has a lead over DeVos in every other poll. And Pawlenty is not exactly popular either. Swann is not sure to win Penn, either. In fact, I'd say that is a toss up as of now, with any advantage going to Rendell. Out of all the states this guy brings up, Blackwell is the only one that might actually win. Doyle and Granholm will win reelection, but barely.

[AX10]

38. Doyle might win respectably. Also, if the GOP's unpopularity...

continues, the vast majority of swing seats will fall into the Democratic collumn, keeping Rendell and Granholm safe.

[snowbear]

41. Why I don't like your thread Daylin........

Who gives a flying F#ck what some wacko says on a message board

They don't speak for ME.

Just because some idiot on a message board claims the entire northeast is going for Rethugs doesn't mean jack shit.

"Connecticut Liberal" sounds just like the imbedded freepers we have here.

You shouldn't buy into that crap so easily.

[Daylin Byak]

43. I don't buy into that crap Larissa....

I read and posted it on the forum to ask you your opinion, your input about it that's all. No I don't think Jim Doyle will lose to Mark Green but seeing Ken Blackwell as Governor of Ohio, not because of the candidate but because of Diebold.

[snowbear]

44. Glad to hear that ! ..Oh, and btw...

I hope you get your new hockey arena!!!



And I hope that Governor Rendell gets re-elected!!!

And one last thing. I hope if your team gets first draft pick, they get Phil Kessel from the Minnesota Golden Gophers! (He rocks )

[Wabbajack]

42. People are pretty stupid

So yes we could. It looks good now but the election is 7 months away, and these bitches will pull out ALL the stops to retain power. And let's not forget the machines.

[burrowowl]

45. Yes!

Between electronic voting, corporations owning both parties and same people running campaigns as those who ran Kerry's....
Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if Dims lost.

[noonwitch]

47. Granholm does need to start campaigning/Devos is running a lot of ads

He's attacking her and there is no response from her side. That's not good. I think she'll win if she starts hitting hard. If 2 of the big 3 counties vote for her, she'll win. Oakland County republicans are not huge DeVos fans. Most are not part of the religious right.

Sen. Stabenow should easily win re-election. There's a 3-way race for the republican spot on the ballot.

[Ignacio Upton]

50. Yes

The election is still more than seven months. If the Democrats employ the same "Brazille-Estrich-Shrum: strategy of weak-minded surrogates and shitty responses to Republican talkingpoints", as well as choosing not run effective ad, then we are fucked again. However, I don't think that we are in danger of losing much, at least in comparison to 2004. The Senate only has two-four seats that we COULD lose (that includes open) but I can only see Minnesota and New Jersey being close. Maryland will not be as close as people think, so long as Steele keeps imploding and the Democrats don't nominate Mfume. Byrd looks pretty safe, but the Republicans want to swiftboat him, and even with pro-lasseiz faire John "I want to abolish the minimum wage" Raese, the Republicans will still use the same "Democrats want to ban the Bible" bullshit. In Vermont, Bernie Sanders should win, but expect a world of swiftboating up there (both of the leading Republican candidates have solicted help from them, one of them even had John O'Neil write a fundraising letter!) They'll use the "Bernie is a Socialist" crap. Stabenow and Cantwell should be safe, although Cantwell could change if enough progressives don't come out and support her.

[napi21]

51. I don't see Swann winning over Eddie!

Eddie is pretty popular, and although Swann was a superstar WAY BACK, and I still dearly love my Steelers of the Dynasty, people don't want him as their Governor.

I know nothing about politics.com, but it sounds like a RW enterprise to me.

[Daylin Byak]

52. No politics1.com is not RW enterprise

They more talk highly on Democrats than repkes.But it's mainly a site where you can get updated infomation of elections, poll numbers and a list of candidates who are running for office in each state.

It's really a great site to go to.

[Vektor]

53. If e-voting machines are still in the picture...

Then yes, we very well could. That's likely how we lost both houses in 2004.

[WA98296]

54. Which Private Corporation is Counting the Ballots?