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killerbush Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:40 AM
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Andy Card resigns, WRONG, HE WAS TOSSED OVERBOARD!!!
First, let me say that Andy Card did not resign. He was thrown overboard by Karl Rove and friends, in a political catfight. Unfortunately, this gives Rove even more power than before. With Card out of the way, he and Bush can put in a lackey like Josh Bolton, and pretend to give him the power that Card had, but the real power will be with both Rove and Cheney.
Karl Rove is drunk with power, and Bush is freaking stupid enough to give him the power he craves. I wrote a blog about a week ago on this very subject. I said that either Rove or Card will go, and I also said it would more than likely be Card.
So Andy Card resigned this morning. This changes nothing!!! We still have the same old incompetent ass-back wards crowd we've had in the past. Until Rove, Cheney and Rumsfeld all resign,(I know, I'm dreaming), this will remain the most incompetent administration on the planet.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:46 AM
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1. Well yeah.
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killerbush Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:47 AM
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2. The media should say he didn't resign
Why say he resigned when he was forced out???
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:09 AM
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13. Because that is what BushCo told them to say. We live in a Police
State dear. Like it or not. We'll only hear what they want and whatever it is will be a lie.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:50 AM
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3. You gravely overestimate Card's significance to this White House.
He's an errand boy.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:53 AM
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4. And he is being replaced with a clone.
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killerbush Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:56 AM
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5. Errand boy or not
the point is that Rove has more power, which scares the shit out of me.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:00 AM
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6. The score hasn't changed, though.
The guy with no power just changed names. Rove doesn't gain from this.

If anything, he loses, if only for the political fallout of a seemingly major resignation.
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killerbush Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:05 AM
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11. Rove most certainly did gain from this
The man he didn't particularly like is gone. Card and Rove really didn't get along with one another.
The top nut is now Rove.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:08 AM
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12. Me too, but take a bit of comfort in Rove v Cheney
There is a big ol struggle going on with the loser probably facing prison. It is a grudge match for all the marbles. At least one of them is going down.

Now, along with the on-going struggle with Rove, consider that Cheney has pissed off a shit load of spooks from all sorts of agencies he has been strong-arming for five years. There really ARE people who serve because they love the nation. There are people who serve for nobel reasons. Those people have gotta be pissed. Together, with their various areas of knowledge, they can do a lot of damage to the Chicken Hawk who thinks he's so tough cuz he can shoot pet birds.

For the past year or so, the junta has been racing around putting out fires on all fronts. Amazing how all this bad news started coming out all at once, isn't it? Why, it's almost like a bunch of people who love America and have bits of info on the junta crimes against the nation have somehow gotten together and started up a game of chess with Cheney/Rove. Sure looks like there is a team working to expose the junta and they are forcing Cheney/Rove to work against them AND each other. Pro-wrestling has nothing on THIS show!

The perfect political strom doesn't just happen. Sure, Katrina came along and opened a big hole for the people to see into, but the rest of the exposure didn't just happen.

Cheney thinks he's tough. There are a lot of people smarter and tougher than Dick.
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:02 AM
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7. nationally broadcast appearance????
Bad grammar aside, why does this merit a "nationally broadcast appearance in the Oval Office"???? I wasn't home but did the major networks actually air this as if it was some kind of solemn national event?

From yahoo news:
"Bush announced the changes in an nationally broadcast appearance in the Oval Office."
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/Bush_Administration
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:05 AM
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9. At least it points out ...
that he "makes appearances" there,rather than that he works there....
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:05 AM
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10. Seriously...I expected them to put "there were tears and hugs and..."
"...promises all around to 'keep in touch'"

:eyes:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:04 AM
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8. He is sick and exhausted--he works from before dawn to ten at night
This isn't news, the speculation that he was bailing has been out there for many months now. It just seemed that he kept hanging on, even though everyone expected him to be first out the gate--leaving under his own steam, anyway.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:42 PM
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23. Yea, white house senior staffers burn out very quickly
In this administration's case, fucking up the country is hard work.
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liam_laddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:50 AM
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14. White House of cards is...
collapsing, They're drawing the Suburbans into a tighter circle.
They have no Hearts left, Spades are rarely drawn (except
for the Ace), Clubs are used only to whack enemies and
Diamonds are safely tucked away in Switzerland and the Caymans.
:bounce:
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:58 AM
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16. First of all he wasn't "tossed overboard." he was discarded
Second, how many JOKERS does it take to build a house of cards?

and third, how do you like my freshly created graphic for today?
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:57 AM
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15. This isn't about Card resigning
It's the same old BFEE trick -- divert the MSM. The news yesterday about the Bush/Blair meeting in Jan. 03 suddenly is no longer news while all the MSM focus on Card/Bolton "White House shakeup". Diversionary tactics win the day again.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:12 PM
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25. I dunno...
... I maintain this is a total non-event. Nobody (except political junkies) know who Andrew Card is. This will out of the news cycle by Thursday. It's not going to change the polling and it's not going to distract anyone.
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Yoda Yada Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:07 PM
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17. They're circling the wagons....
After Bush made the announcement, one newsreporter said that Bolton is extremely LOYAL to President Bush and a very CLOSE friend of Karl Rove. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

It sounds like they are getting ready for something by closing ranks...doesn't sound good to me.:scared: :scared:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:21 PM
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18. "Until Rove, Cheney and Rumsfeld all resign,"
Uh, how about gwb?
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:26 PM
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19. Is Card involved in the Plame investigation? With news
of Fitz bringing more indictments, just wondering if Card was involved here.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:44 PM
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20. How close is Josh Bolton to James A. Baker III?
Isn't this move very advantageous for the Carlyle Group
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:51 PM
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21. Bush must have just heard Card was about to be indicted re: Plame
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 05:51 PM by Seabiscuit
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:58 PM
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22. did you see my question above? I can't remeber if Card is involved
in the Plame thing, but then they probably all are.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:06 PM
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24. Here's what I think -
Back in the Middle Ages, sometimes things went wrong. The King either botched things up, like angering the people or hanging the wrong guy.

Every once in a while, the people would rise up, outraged. There would be mobs outside the fortress, the people would demand for someone to be held accountable. The king would oblige his subjects by throwing out some suitable person.

That person couldn't be too low on the Totem Pole, or they would feel cheated. They'd like some minister to satisfy their blood lust. Then, they would feel that justice was served, and they'd go back to their pitiful lives, at least feeling someone had to pay.

I think that's what King George has done.
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Wisconsin Larry Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:27 PM
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26. Consider me bloodthirsty, but I see this as positive. There is an ancient
Russian fable about a sleigh load of people being pursued by famished wolves. In danger of being overtaken, the people decide to "lighten the sleigh" by first throwing out the weakest among them. That in turn leads to more being tossed overboard. I can just barely wait for the next...
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:37 PM
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27. Andrew should say thank you then
They threw him off of a sinking ship. Mighta saved him, actually.
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Wisconsin Larry Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:52 PM
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28. Well,,, actually those thrown off the sleigh were eaten by the wolves ...
those left on the sleigh were hoping to speed up the sleigh and slow down the wolves. I can't remember how it ends but I think (hope?) it wasn't a happy ending...
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