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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:39 PM
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The Schumer NSA Bill and the Feingold Censure Resolution

Friday, March 31, 2006

The Schumer NSA Bill and the Feingold Censure Resolution

Marty Lederman

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Accordingly, I return to the question I asked two months ago: What can Congress do about this conflict, anyway? I continue to think that what I wrote then was correct: The only way for Congress to prevail in this important war-powers stand-off is if the Supreme Court declares the President's conduct unlawful. Assuming that's correct, the only worthwhile thing for Congress to do is to pass a statute such as that proposed by David Barron, establishing statutory standing for parties reasonably chilled by the NSA program, and facilitating expedited Supreme Court review.

Enter Senator Schumer's new bill, S.2468, which would do just that. This is the bill that should be the top legislative priority. The bill is very simple:

Most importantly, it would create a statutory cause of action -- and thus statutory standing -- for certain persons with a "reasonable fear" that their communications are being intercepted, authorizing them to file an action asking a court to enjoin or declare unlawful the NSA program. A reasonable fear would be established by evidence that the plaintiff either has regular wire communications from the U.S. to Afghanistan, Iraq or Pakistan, in the course of paid employment involving research pertaining to terrorism or terrorist groups, or commercial transactions with a bank or financial institution in those countries.

The bill would provide that a three-judge court in the District of Columbia would hear such a suit, and would be required to handle the action with dispatch. Appeal from a final judgment would be directly to the Supreme Court, by way of a jurisdictional statement filed within 30 days after judgment.

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http://balkin.blogspot.com/2006/03/schumer-nsa-bill-and-feingold-censure.html


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:41 PM
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As David Barron explains here, this bill would at the very least remove the very formidable statutory obstacles to suit that the current FISA may currently impose, and it might well have a significant effect, as well, on any Article III argument that the government would raise against the plaintiffs' standing.

If the bill were, by some miracle, to become law, it would lead to a judicial resolution of this landmark dispute -- the only sort of resolution that will affect the Administration's conduct -- and become a very important doctrinal marker affecting the allocation of powers between Congress and the President, alongside Youngstown, U.S. v. Nixon, the Pentagon papers case, Nixon v. Administrator, and Morrison v. Olson. It would also permit the Congress to consider amendments to FISA on a clean slate, with the current statutory and constitutional framework firmly established. (See, e.g., David Kris's proposal that I discuss here.)

More likely, the Schumer bill would be defeated on roughly a party-line vote. Or, it's possible the Schumer bill might pick up sufficient Republican support for passage -- it's very difficult to publicly articulate a compelling reason for opposing such legislation -- in which case presumably the President would veto it. This would, alas, mean that the bill would not become a law; but in that case, the Administration's constitutional hardball would be clearly seen for what it is -- so dedicated to opposing any checks on untrammeled Executive power either by statute or by the independent judiciary that the President is willing to cast his first veto to prevent any evaluation by the other branches of the lawfulness of his conduct. Such exposure would, I hope, be chastening, and a very important signal to the public of the profound constitutional distinctions between the President and his critics.

OK, so a few quick words on the Feingold Resolution: There has been a great deal of discussion and debate in the blogosphere, including by Jack on this blog, with respect to two questions: the merits of the Feingold resolution and the politics of it. Actually, there's not much serious debate about the merits. Thus, as I've discussed in several posts, there's very little question that the President has authorized systematic violations of FISA. And unless I missed something, no one in Congress has so much as suggested otherwise. (If anyone has examples of any legislator agreeing with the Administration's AUMF argument, please let me know.) Therefore, as far as I can tell, everything in is true. The only question even under serious discussion on the Hill -- obliquely raised by Senator Specter and more unequivocally embraced by Senator Roberts and, more recently, by Senator Hatch -- has been whether FISA (or any other law regulating intelligence-gathering and interrogation) is unconstitutional to the extent it constrains the President's discretion on how best to gather intelligence against the enemy. And even on that question, there hardly seems to be majority support in either the Republican Senate caucus or with the public for the Commander-in-Chief prerogative to circumvent statutory limits.


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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:41 PM
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2. This was Schumer's little End Run around Feingold yesterday..
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 06:44 PM by radio4progressives
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:04 PM
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3. This resolution would be one way to legally stop Bush. n/t
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:13 PM
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4. Schumer Resolution? Legal Way to Stop Bush?
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 07:14 PM by radio4progressives
I read it as an attempt to punt the ball to the Supreme Court to decide.. if what he's done is Constitutionally legal or not.

We know that Roberts/Alito/Scalia et al will say yeah the Prez has all the authority in the world to do whatever he wants, and that's when they decide to hear it, which could be at the end of Bush's term, but Schumer says it will be expidited to be heard in the Fall.

If it gets heard in the Fall, the SCOTUS will decide in Bush's favor, if they decide to hear it at the end of Bush's term in office, they'll probably decide against Bush, but only if it looks like a Democrat might win the White House.

So... i don't see this as the immediate solution to getting Bush to stop now.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:23 PM
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6. Roberts, sigh! The potential end result has more impact. n/t
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:18 PM
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5. Let me know when this bill ever comes out of the Judiciary Committee, or
is even taken up in the Judiciary Committee.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:32 PM
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7. We could wait to see which gets out first and passes. n/t
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:36 PM
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8. Censure resolution was taken up today. The first step, altho I doubt
a vote will be ever held in committee.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:45 PM
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9. I meant gets out of committee and to a vote; either would be progress. n/t
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 08:18 PM
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10. it appears seriously doubtful...
dems were no where to be found, i think they were hiding in here:



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