Isn't it terrible that people want to fly a flag that reflects their

[zbdent]

heritage?




Of course, I'm talking about the flag which the righties like to fly, the one which reflects the racist regime of years ago . . .

Notice, they want to make sure that they have the right to fly their flag . . .

Wonder if they'd get pissed if someone burned THAT flag . . .

[iamthebandfanman]

1. well

i dont like flags. period.

[izzie]

3. Well with a flat world I guess we need battle flag to show us the way

I frankly think they should be hanging up in old building we visit. They are like from the dark ages. Odd but I sort of count things when I drive. Hangover from father telling us as children to count something when on a trip I guess. Well for some odd reason the count has dropped by more than half this last year and I drive the same road. Wonder what that is all about.

[WePurrsevere]

It probably was not your intention but...

Thank you for the early morning smile. B-)

You said "I don't like flags. period." and yet your current avatar is Kentucky's state FLAG. ;)



edited because *I* definately need more coffee... :hangover:

[Inland]

10. Me neither. Yet there it is, plain as day. nt

[Minnesota Libra]

2. Call me old fashioned or whatever but if people want to come here.........

....and be part of this society then the least they could do is fly our flag. I mean, I don't get what is so wrong with that idea or why people are so against it.:shrug:

[zbdent]

5. I'd like to see all those people try to talk

the Italians out of their flags that they fly . . . or any of the other "communities" . . . (not to attack Italians - I often see a bridge festooned with different flags as I go to and from work . . .)

[Minnesota Libra]

8. I can see whole displays of various flags but I'm.......

.....talking about demonstrations where whole groups of people are marching together for a change in a given condition/situation. If people want a change in "the American condition" then at least have the common sense to display an American flag. If people don't have enough allegiance to this country, while on our soil, to display our flag when demanding something then maybe they and their allegiance belong elsewhere. What is so hard to understand about that??

[zbdent]

11. Oh, I don't know . . . from your first post

I had these images of the St. Patrick's Day Parade . . . after the numerous "Little Italys" image . . . I wonder how many Irish would happily give up their right to fly their flag . . .

[Minnesota Libra]

12. Ok, in reviewing my post I guess I didn't narrow down my .................

....thoughts enough. As I said, I have absolutely no problem with whole displays of flags, holiday flags of whatever kind (St Patrick's, Cinco De Mayo, etc). It's the demonstrations for American rule/law change while displaying some other country's flag that seems outrageous and borders of ridiculous.

[endarkenment]

16. Your position borders on the ridiculous.

As far as I know, the demonstrations had a mixture of all sorts of signs and symbols, including all sorts of flags. You've taken exception to one specific flag. When it was pointed out that many immigrant communities (Irish and Italian for example) routinely conduct rallies and marches that include lots of foreign flags, you have tried to separate one type of march from another. This march over here with those nice Irish folks and their Irish flags is fine, that march over there with those Mexicans and their Mexican flag is an outrage. I think perhaps you ought to rethink your position on this.

Outrage over which flag is flying is ridiculous to begin with. Isn't there anything more important to be outraged about? Like for example the criminal cabal in washington?

[Bridget Burke]

17. They keep saying the same thing about the Mexican flag....

Over & over again. Has they convinced anybody?

[Minnesota Libra]

18. You are assuming alot, I don't favor one group over another............

......at all. It's you that is assuming that, I say any group demonstrating for a change in law/rules in this country should at least fly the American flag in more numbers than foreign flags if they hope to be taken seriously. That's it - nothing more- nothing less.

[Bridget Burke]

20. I have no problem taking the demonstrators seriously....

But I don't have the same feeling about your tired, old argument.

[Minnesota Libra]

21. The "old argument" isn't necessarily wrong just not current party spew nt

[Bridget Burke]

22. The "old argument" is definitely spew!

In my waitressing/bartending days, I learned how to wield the mop. But the smell never gets any better....

[Minnesota Libra]

23. You're right...................

...party/idealogical spew is still spew and it all stinks. What would be fresh is to think for one's self.

Now if you don't mind I'm :puke: of this conversation.

[Bridget Burke]

25. I'm thinking for myself....

I'm not parrotting Right Wing Talking Points.

[Bridget Burke]

19. Yes, you're old-fashioned. In fact....

You're part of a Great American Tradition.



Read up on your illustrious forebears! www.latinamericanstudies.org/nativism.htm

[Ian David]

4. Or all those people who fly the symbol of their loyalty to The Vatican n/t

[Virginia Dare]

6. All fascists need their symbols....n/t

[SujiwanKenobee]

7. Comes down to intent

Flags are either a nationalist symbol or an identifying icon for a group. So much depends on the real reasons they are being flown. As a benign "Heritage Day" symbol, as a defiant "my right to march my group in your "hates my group" neighborhood", as a "my loyalty lies here" obvious marker, as an embassy/post office/official site locator... It really comes down to the intent behind the display as to how people view it.

THe Union Jack is part of the American experience and has +/- emotional content associated with it for much of the south who are not northerners who moved to the sunbelt. It belongs to our history. Now, all the countries who had colonial possessions in the US do not get to display their flags in those areas so no Spain/Mexico, France, England "flag staking" in what is now sovereign US territory. They were either defeated in battle or bought out, so no flags except in historical reenactments.

As for the marchers displaying flags--probably multiple reasons. But people should be very cautious in this current atmosphere of giving an impression of Hispanic nationalism i.e. planting a Mexican or other flag as a symbol of rival nationalism in the US. sovereign territories. It seems like the salad bowl versus the melting pot metaphor are at war.

[Inland]

9. Well said.

The context is important. There's a particular point when, say, the Red Hand is flown in a protestant march through catholic neighborhoods in Belfast that isn't just a sort of ethnic pride. It's an FU. I think the confederate battle flag is largely an FU.

Some of the immigration rallies had a predominance of Mexican flags, which seems contrary to the context or irrelevant. Others had American flags with other nationalities mixed in, which made more sense in the context of an immigration rally and the end result of hyphenated citizens.

[Bridget Burke]

15. Hispanic nationalism?

I don't think that "Hispanic Nationalism" means what you think it means. Mexico ended Spanish rule some years ago. Anyone can fly any flag they wish--except "officially." They can even fly the Confederate Battle Flag--although it will not give me a good opinion of them.

Texas boasts of its Six Flags. The Confederacy is usually represented its official flag, not the one adopted by modern-day racists.



What's with all these people "cautioning" us about displays of the Mexican flag? I can understand exactly what it means in the protests.

We see plenty of Mexican flags in Texas. And plenty of businesses boast a row of national flags down here--with the US flag having the pride of place, per flag etiquette.

Fuck "The Melting Pot." I'd rather not have the US become a bland, flavorless mixture. Let's keep some tasty bits simmering along with each other....

[WePurrsevere]

13. Although I shudder when I see the Confederate flag flown, it is as much

their Constitutional right to fly that flag as it is ours to speak out against all forms of racism, bigotry, fear, ignoranace and hate. If it helps perhaps when you see it flying you could consider it as sort of a "warning" flag. At least if you are uncomfortable with that symbol, and what it represents to you, you will know who and where to avoid... or confront if that is your way.

Since I have long seen America as more of a nice chunky Stew in a Pot then a "Melting Pot" as a rule I don't usually have too much of a problem with most cultural, state, country, etc flags/banners being flown if it is done to express their love of country and/or pride in being or belonging (My husband and I will occasionally fly our 13 star American flag along side our peace banner). Mind you I'm also fairly certain that some folks who fly controversial flags/banners do so merely (or mostly) because they enjoy "poking the tiger" probably with the hope that they'll get an adverse reaction so they can act all pissy and/or indignent.

[mrgorth]

14. Are you talking about the confed flag?

I take turns flying flags outside my house. American, German, Irish, Bavarian, Peace and soon to come, the Green Mt Boys flag.

[zbdent]

24. I normally associate the "stars and bars" as the Confed flag, yes

but I've heard that I do not have the correct flag in mind . . .

Wikipedia says it's the Navy Jack . . .

[Radical Activist]

26. I was seriously offended on St. Patrick's day last month.

Go back to Ireland!