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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 12:41 PM
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McKinney and Delay and the Phony Cosmic Balance of politics
Edited on Wed Apr-05-06 12:54 PM by Armstead
I'm just venting. But it is so frustrating that Republicans always seem to be allowed to have their "clear victories" or unambiguous positions. But Democrats/liberals/progressives have to be subjected to some phony Cosmic Balance Sheet in which it's always "one step forward, two steps back."

Whether it is coincidence or conspiracy -- or somewhere in the middle -- it seems like we always are subjected to distractions, whenever something seems to be working in favor of our side (using that phrase in the broadest terms) or against the Republican Conservative Machine.

First of all let me say that I DO NOT believe the incident with McKinney was a Rovian plot. From what it sounds like it, this was the kind of dust-up that happens every day in all walks of life, in which tempers flare.

I'm also not going to make a judgement about whether the Capitol Police were racist or otherwise out of line, or whether McKinney was behaving badly.

BUT what I do wonder about is the aftermath. The guy who was once the most formidable, and obnoxious, GOP members of Congress resigns under a cloud stemming from systemic institutional corruption. But, lo and behold, the right-wing Spin Machine finds another Congressperson with a legal problem to browbeast simultaneously.

There is no proportiionality in this. One incident is a Big Deal. The other is not. The fact is that one incident goes to the heart of GOP politics (and the whole culture of special interests in Washington). The other was an unfortunate specific personal incident involving a Democratic member of Congress.

But McKinney's behavior is made into something at least as important as allegations of lobbyist influence and the purchase of elections....And worse yet, Fox and the rest of the "liberal media" and the Beltway Establishment choose to make it seem like McKinney is symbolic of claims that "those liberals" are nothing but but a bunch of anarchistic hotheads and crybabies.

Alas, we on the left fed the beast too. We get into flame wars over it.

This Phony Balance is perpetual. It's no different than the fact that at a time of his successful presidency, Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about sex. But today, when the ountry is falling apart, if a Democratic Senator even tries to get a mild censure over the current administrations' trashing of civil liberties, he is subjected to vilification as a "troublemaker" who is just playing a "political game" to advance himself.

Or when Paul Wellstone -- a liberal who was univerally respected as a person -- died, we weren;t allowed to mourn or take solice in the bi-partisan expressions of honors he received. Or in the admittedly partisan inspiration of his memorial service....Nooooooo, the whole thing had to be tainted with a Fake Controversy about how "inappropriate" his memorial service was....But when Ronald Reagan died, anyone who expressed frustration with the week-long canonization of a controversial Republican president was accused of mean spitrited vindictiveness.

Somehow, this notion of a necessary "balance" in political fortunes that only applies to Democrats/liberals/progressives is a charade we have to stop buying into.

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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 12:43 PM
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1. Who cares about McKinney anyway
she may, or may not have, punched a cop. Things will get sorted out.

Delay on the other hand....
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:09 PM
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13. I care about McKinney
These nazis are going to arrest her. If you don't smell Rove and the pukes trying to set something up to deflect from Delay, you haven't been paying attention.
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 06:30 PM
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18. And what if it turns out that she did, in fact, strike a police officer.
Is that Rove and Co.'s fault too? If she did, fine her and get her off the news. If she didn't, it's all the same to me.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 12:44 PM
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2. You really want to get upset ...
I was just thinking about McKinney and what Cheney did. Where's the outrage with THAT?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 12:49 PM
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3. Good post, and I agree.
As you say, one incident (DeLay) is a Big Deal, and the other is not. It's mind boggling. But they are clearly being equated. Every day we get more of this, and I am sick of it. We were lied into an unjust, immoral and bankrupting war, and the media just lets it go. Ugh.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 12:56 PM
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4. What do you expect ...
... from people who honestly believe that a president who lies us into war, breaks international law via torture and rendition, and spies on American citizens without warrants has in no way done anything as heinous as getting a BJ from a woman not his wife?

Go figure ...
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 01:00 PM
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5. You have to look at one other factor
DeLay has now decided to resign, meaning he's backing down. McKinney is fighting, in a very high-profile, very controversial way. Plus, McKinney's story is new - DeLay's is not.

On the whole, I agree with your statement, but the McKinney-DeLay parallels aren't quite there. I guarantee if McKinney had just issued an apology, no one would've paid nearly this much attention to it.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 01:13 PM
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7. Did you ever consider that she may have a reason to fight this?
Edited on Wed Apr-05-06 01:20 PM by IsItJustMe
Why do you assume that she is lying when she says she has been harassed in the past and that this shouldn't be happening. You know, she might actually have a point.

And maybe, if more people stood up and fought when things were wrong, we wouldn't be in this war right now.

Progress is never never created by the people who lay down. Never.

Martin Luther King didn't lay down. And I thank god he didn't.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 01:15 PM
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9. I was going to reply.
And then you compared this to MLK.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 01:26 PM
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10. Well, I guess I will just have to live out the rest of my life without
having been graced by your wisdom. But for some reason, I believe I can deal with that.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 01:40 PM
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11. I'm sorry, but someone who thinks she's in a racial struggle
because she believes that changing her hairstyle is something that apparently only black women do cannot POSSIBLY be compared to MLK. And you can't possibly expect me to have any respect for the person making such a comparison.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 01:49 PM
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12. I would never ask, desire, or want your respect.
Edited on Wed Apr-05-06 01:56 PM by IsItJustMe
I meant what I said and I would never change it to get someones respect. Polititians do that, not me. And I can always respect someone that has a differnt point of view than I do. I don't want a world populated with people who think exactly like I do out here.

I think the feeling are mutual hear.

Have a nice day.
:shrug:
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:19 PM
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15. Should someone apologize for something they did not do?
Edited on Wed Apr-05-06 02:20 PM by radio4progressives
You've already made the judgment without a shred of facts to back up this assertion. charges in the media have been made, but we still have not be presented with the full set of facts..

so what do you here, like so many others? You assume what you have heard and what has been reported in the media is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Do you accept that paradigm with any other "news" you hear or read in the CM? Or this story an "exception to the rule" you are accepting in this instance?
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 01:00 PM
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6. You took the words out of my mouth. You articulated what I have been
Edited on Wed Apr-05-06 01:04 PM by IsItJustMe
thinking all along. This obsession with McKinney is beyond insane. I have my theories of why this is so, but I will not share them here.

The comparison to Delay vs. McKinney is this:

Lets say a person had heart cancer and an in grown toe nail at the same time. In all honesty, which one of these conditions would the person be concentrating on.

McKinney's problem is a drop of water in the ocean in the world of reality. And if people really feel that this situation is so big, then I feel sorry for them for they live in a very small and restrictive world.

We simply have to be bigger than this.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 01:15 PM
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8. K & R
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:10 PM
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14. The media equation.
1 Cynthia McKinney alledged incident = all crimes committed by the Republican Syndicate. The proof will be in the coverage.
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centristo Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:33 PM
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16. people act like because these stories broke in the same week
that it constitutes a left/right balance. I'm sorry, but news is news. You lead a news program with the biggest story of the day, and then go forward from there.

If the EXACT same thing happened to Alan Keyes or Lynn Swann, wouldn't you want to know about it?

Tom Delay was frontpage headline news on every newspaper I saw online. McKinney was "under the fold" if anything, the exception being the Atlanta Journal, her hometown paper.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:46 PM
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17. It should be covered in proportion
It's one of those "and by the way" stories that usually come and go without much comment.

But the right-wing and the media drumbeat has made it a "controversy" that has already far too long beyond it's "sell by" date. And the way it's portrayed on the talk shows it's seen as balance to prove that Democrats and "those liberals" are just as bad as Republicans.

Alas, those on the left have aided it.

Alone it doesn't matter. But it's this frickin pattern that bugs me. It always happens.



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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 06:35 PM
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19. She didn't help her cause by going out blabbing to the media about it
When she chalked it up on the news to racial profiling (which it well may have been, we don't know yet) she brought attention to the issue herself.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm not! As I said before, if she hit a cop, fine her and let's move on. If she didn't, then we should stop talking about this.
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 09:21 PM
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20. Last night The Daily Show did the same thing-seeming to equate
Delay and McKinney. Maybe I was just being over - sensitive. I'm trying to ignore posts/stories about McKinney because it's a non issue but your post looked safe enough (and well said). =)


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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 09:35 PM
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21. I hear and understand ya!
Thanks for bringing it up and in such a clear way...what's going on and what's at stake.

:toast:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:45 PM
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22. Thanks
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:48 PM
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23. so who is running for Delay's seat? and God bless McKinney
:toast:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 12:23 AM
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24. Attila the Hun
It's the kinder and gentler post-Delay GOP
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 12:50 AM
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25. for shame, starting a McKinney post
:)
hey, ya notice that our buddy mrblenchey hasn't been jumpin all over her here at DU. He always talked so poorly of her, but when she is down, I don't see him kicking her.:shrug:must be a true:patriot:

Peace Armstead!
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:58 AM
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26. same here...thanks
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