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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:04 PM
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HEY, IT'S JUST LIKE VIETNAM: Mei Lei style Massacre in Iraq
Edited on Wed Apr-05-06 02:07 PM by Jeffersons Ghost
According to CNN, U.S. Military officials just released details on the Vietnam Mei Lei style Massacre in Iraq and paid families $2,500. a head for slaughtered innocent civilians.

One Morning in Haditha


U.S. Marines killed 15 Iraqi civilians in their homes last November. Was it self-defense, an accident or cold-blooded revenge?
A TIME exclusive
By TIM MCGIRK/ BAGHDAD

Mar. 27, 2006
The incident seemed like so many others from this war, the kind of tragedy that has become numbingly routine amid the daily reports of violence in Iraq. On the morning of Nov. 19, 2005, a roadside bomb struck a humvee carrying Marines from Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines, on a road near Haditha, a restive town in western Iraq. The bomb killed Lance Corporal Miguel (T.J.) Terrazas, 20, from El Paso, Texas. The next day a Marine communiqué from Camp Blue Diamond in Ramadi reported that Terrazas and 15 Iraqi civilians were killed by the blast and that "gunmen attacked the convoy with small-arms fire," prompting the Marines to return fire, killing eight insurgents and wounding one other. The Marines from Kilo Company held a memorial service for Terrazas at their camp in Haditha. They wrote messages like "T.J., you were a great friend. I'm going to miss seeing you around" on smooth stones and piled them in a funeral mound. And the war moved on.

But the details of what happened that morning in Haditha are more disturbing, disputed and horrific than the military initially reported. According to eyewitnesses and local officials interviewed over the past 10 weeks, the civilians who died in Haditha on Nov. 19 were killed not by a roadside bomb but by the Marines themselves, who went on a rampage in the village after the attack, killing 15 unarmed Iraqis in their homes, including seven women and three children. Human-rights activists say that if the accusations are true, the incident ranks as the worst case of deliberate killing of Iraqi civilians by U.S. service members since the war began.

In January, after TIME presented military officials in Baghdad with the Iraqis' accounts of the Marines' actions, the U.S. opened its own investigation, interviewing 28 people, including the Marines, the families of the victims and local doctors. According to military officials, the inquiry acknowledged that, contrary to the military's initial report, the 15 civilians killed on Nov. 19 died at the hands of the Marines, not the insurgents. The military announced last week that the matter has been handed over to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS), which will conduct a criminal investigation to determine whether the troops broke the laws of war by deliberately targeting civilians. Lieut. Colonel Michelle Martin-Hing, spokeswoman for the Multi-National Force--Iraq, told TIME the involvement of the NCIS does not mean that a crime occurred. And she says the fault for the civilian deaths lies squarely with the insurgents, who "placed noncombatants in the line of fire as the Marines responded to defend themselves."

Because the incident is officially under investigation, members of the Marine unit that was in Haditha on Nov. 19 are not allowed to speak with reporters. But the military's own reconstruction of events and the accounts of town residents interviewed by TIME--including six whose family members were killed that day--paint a picture of a devastatingly violent response by a group of U.S. troops who had lost one of their own to a deadly insurgent attack and believed they were under fire. TIME obtained a videotape that purports to show the aftermath of the Marines' assault and provides graphic documentation of its human toll. What happened in Haditha is a reminder of the horrors faced by civilians caught in the middle of war--and what war can do to the people who fight it.

http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1174682,00.html
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:10 PM
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1. This always is a by product of war. Always. You can go all the way back
Edited on Wed Apr-05-06 02:10 PM by IsItJustMe
throughout history and find examples of horror. That's why it has been said over and over again: War should only be used as a last resort.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:12 PM
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4. what are you? some kind of Peace-nick
Using war as a last resort is un-american! kill um first and then let God sort it out, while we wave the 'ole red, white and blue.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:24 PM
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7. All I am saying, is peace a chance. LOL
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 06:55 PM
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11. or is it, All I am saying is GIVE peace a chance





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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:10 PM
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2. Seems like there are Mei Lei style Massacres everyday there.
War crimes right and left. Soldiers turned into murderers. This is one totally criminal escapade. I hope God has a special hell for leaders of countries that do this kind of thing to their fellow world citizens. And the US sits on it's rear end watching reality shows and waving flags. I can not believe our country could stoop this low - although apparently they got a good head start probably from the beginning - 1776. The way they treated the Native Americans was criminal too.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 07:13 PM
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13. I hope you see what I posted above your very poignant words Pat
Edited on Wed Apr-05-06 07:19 PM by Jeffersons Ghost
and I know God feels your prayer

on edit: I'm sorry if my graphics seem too big your screen but Peace is always so small and isolated in this world.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 07:34 PM
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14. Graphics are beautiful. Thank you. Yes, what's wrong with peace.
Notice lots of war memorials but no peace memorials. Something I noticed when I was in Washington last year. Then I thought - the children are peace memorials. Peace is about the future and the only way to get there is through the children.

Artists have contributed a lot to peace and to social issues. Keep up the good work. I'm assuming their yours. Are they? Also Mr. Jefferson's Ghost - are we talk THE Jefferson??
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 08:50 PM
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16. that's it! what genius... we need PEACE MEMORIALS everywhere
If low-lifes like Stalin, Hitler and Bush can switch words around we can too. After the Democrats...

WIN PEACE,

we can all start work on building them in every city in the country.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:01 PM
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21. There's been lots of peaces. Start now!
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:11 PM
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3. How completely tragic
Atrocities and war crimes. :cry:
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:21 PM
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5. This is the response I got from from my brother
to the email that I forwarded about this story:

"first off- if it was me in iraq, id shoot every fucking towelhead i came across just to save time, all id be doing is trimming the crop of future suicide bombers. and second i would have never sent any troops over there, i just would have dropped nukes on the whole fucking region, and third i do not care, i do not vote, and i would appreciate if you would stop sending this shit."

What is wrong with him? How could I be related to him? It makes me want to puke.

I don't intend to ever communicate with him again.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:30 PM
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8. I had a cousin who was drafted to Nam w/ the same attitude.
People like this are so infected with hatred and racism, that it poisons your soul to be anywhere around them. I think Bush and his handlers are fully aware of this virulent racist hatred and counted on it when they pre-emptively attacked Iraq. As the bloodshed has continued all these years, I believe any GOP who continues to support the war is terminally infected with this racist hatred. I run into people like this once in awhile when I'm doing political canvassing on an election, and their vicious hatred indeed makes me want to puke too.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 07:43 PM
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15. War is not pretty. People stuck in bad situations sometimes change
for the worse. It is not fair fighting wars for agendas that are secret, which I believe Vietnam was and I know Iraq certainly is. The people starting these things are to blame. The old men sitting in the White House playing chess with real people, real countries, and real guns. I don't condemn the soldiers. I have never been in a war zone, especially ones like * and company have created. But I sure condemn those that sent them there.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 07:02 PM
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12. TELL HIM TO TEACH RUPUBLICANS HIS LIFESTYLE! HE'S GREAT!
Do you have any idea how big his party will be by Nevember? Reich-Wingers can't vote Dem or they'll go to hell or something. What do you expect? Tell him I said he is a great man and the new Republican Messiah!
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:24 PM
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6.  "I watched them shoot my grandfather. . . then they shot my granny."
Other adults shielded the children from the bullets but died in the process.

More direct quotes from the cited article.

Here's what all participants agree on: At around 7:15 a.m. on Nov. 19, a U.S. humvee was struck by a powerful improvised explosive device (IED) attached to a large propane canister, triggered by remote control. The bomb killed Terrazas, who was driving, and injured two other Marines. For U.S. troops, Haditha, set among date-palm groves along the Euphrates River, was inhospitable territory; every day the Marines found scores of bombs buried in the dirt roads near their base. Eman Waleed, 9, lived in a house 150 yards from the site of the blast, which was strong enough to shatter all the windows in her home. "We heard a big noise that woke us all up," she recalls two months later. "Then we did what we always do when there's an explosion: my father goes into his room with the Koran and prays that the family will be spared any harm." Eman says the rest of the family--her mother, grandfather, grandmother, two brothers, two aunts and two uncles--gathered in the living room.

According to military officials familiar with the investigation, the Marines say they came under fire from the direction of the Waleed house immediately after being hit by the IED. A group of Marines headed toward the house. Eman says she "heard a lot of shooting, so none of us went outside. Besides, it was very early, and we were all wearing our nightclothes." When the Marines entered the house, they were shouting in English. "First, they went into my father's room, where he was reading the Koran," she claims, "and we heard shots." According to Eman, the Marines then entered the living room. "I couldn't see their faces very well--only their guns sticking into the doorway. I watched them shoot my grandfather, first in the chest and then in the head. Then they killed my granny." She claims the troops started firing toward the corner of the room where she and her younger brother Abdul Rahman, 8, were hiding; the other adults shielded the children from the bullets but died in the process. Eman says her leg was hit by a piece of metal and Abdul Rahman was shot near his shoulder. "We were lying there, bleeding, and it hurt so much. Afterward, some Iraqi soldiers came. They carried us in their arms. I was crying, shouting 'Why did you do this to our family?' And one Iraqi soldier tells me, 'We didn't do it. The Americans did.'" The officials say the military has confirmed that seven people were killed inside the house--including two women and a child. The Marines also reported seeing a man and a woman run out of the house; they gave chase and shot and killed the man. Relatives say the woman, Hiba Abdullah, escaped with her baby.

According to military officials, the Marines say they then started taking fire from the direction of a second house, prompting them to break down the door of that house and throw in a grenade, blowing up a propane tank in the kitchen. The Marines then began firing, killing eight residents--including the owner, his wife, the owner's sister, a 2-year-old son and three young daughters.

The Marines raided a third house, which belongs to a man named Ahmed Ayed. One of Ahmed's five sons, Yousif, who lived in a house next door, told TIME that after hearing a prolonged burst of gunfire from his father's house, he rushed over. Iraqi soldiers keeping watch in the garden prevented him from going in. "They told me, 'There's nothing you can do. Don't come closer, or the Americans will kill you too.' The Americans didn't let anybody into the house until 6:30 the next morning." Ayed says that by then the bodies were gone; all the dead had been zipped into U.S. body bags and taken by Marines to a local hospital morgue. "But we could tell from the blood tracks across the floor what happened," Ayed claims. "The Americans gathered my four brothers and took them inside my father's bedroom, to a closet. They killed them inside the closet."
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 09:32 PM
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19. thanks for that addition divernan
and thank your brother for leading the NeoCon Non Voting Party. There will be many more of them than Democrat and Republican voters combined. I meet members of that new a party a lot more often, here in Bama these days. I wonder why.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:47 PM
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9. "A reminder of the horrors faced by civilians"
You know, Time magazine, some of us didn't need yet another object lesson in the horrors visited upon civilians and non-combatants in a war. We remember what happened in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, the Falkland Islands, Panama, Iraq, Kosovo, Bosnia, the Sudan, Eritrea, Afghanistan again, Iraq again, and anyplace else you care to name over the last 40 years.

And yet, when the corrupt Bush administration was beating the war drums and rallying support for yet another round of atrocities, there you were, pom-poms at the ready, gasping appropriately at Powell's Prevaricating Powerpoint Presentation at the UN, cheering Shock and Awe, puffing out your chest on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln, and on and on.

NOW you're sick of it? NOW you've remembered that bad things happen in a war? NOW you're horrified? You know something, Time and the rest of you media jackals? Fuck you, that's what. Just fuck you.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:57 PM
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10. Amy Goodman Reported On This A While Back... It's About
time it's getting some coverage! But I doubt it will go very far. Not unless it's kept out there. With so many different scandals going on at one time, I fear the buzz will just die down as it has in the past.

I haven't been able to figure this stuff out YET! If one were to "hope," a word that slipped away from me a while back, maybe the cumulative affect will take hold one day! The problem is if it will be soon enough!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 09:23 PM
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18. Yes definitely, things like this need more coverage
This is important news, and people should know about it.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 09:19 PM
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17. War crimes!
Bush's War is going to wind up with charges in front of the Hague.

This is devastating. Just awful. I weep for my country that this is what we have become and what so many tolerate.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 09:55 PM
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20. It's My Lai, JG - pronounced Mee-Lie
Edited on Wed Apr-05-06 09:56 PM by Neil Lisst
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:14 PM
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22. thanks Neil
I knew how it was pronounced but when I Googled using the misspelling, so many other people online screwed up the name Google didn't correct me. It's been a while and that name is freaky. I bet Lt. Cally (sp)? knows how to spell it.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:17 PM
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23. Lt. Calley was the SOB
Edited on Wed Apr-05-06 10:19 PM by Neil Lisst
I can never get those images out of my head, all those bodies laid out, gunned down en mass. The photo was everywhere. I suppose I should go look at it again now.

Medina also caught hell for that. Captain Medina, I think it was.

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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:33 PM
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24. still, stopping at Capt? hmmm
I just thought they stopped short of the mark... That whole bucket of shit made me see stars and I wanted about four of them to hit the dirt.
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