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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:08 PM
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Am I misreading this situation: It feels extremely significant....
How many people, do you personally know, who could "out" a CIA agent and not be arrested within 20 minutes....

I think there are only two people in the country that would not be arrested......?

Any guesses who these two are?

Can We do a citizens arrest?

Why is this not buzzing through every conversation in the country. This is the a progression in Bush's impeachment proceedings!

The legal system somehow is not working right now for Bush and Cheney? They have every system in the country working for them except this one.

Pubs must be praying for a miracle right now.....
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:10 PM
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1. How many could shoot a guy in the face and not be arrested?
the republicans house and senate look more
ridiculous by the day protecting this
administration.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:12 PM
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2. Yeah I guess not many. Maybe a few cops....
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:13 PM
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6. touche'
I keep wondering that myself. I am also starting to wonder if there is something "in the water" that keeps Americans from acting. IT's as if we're paralyzed or something.

Maybe all that TV?

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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 09:20 PM
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16. it's the contrails!
ha-ha
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:42 PM
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22. They're "'chemtrails", silly!
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:45 PM
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23. its the wine
just celebrating all the bad news
for bushy! It's been a while
and you should see how the lampshade
looks with the new hairdo
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:12 PM
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3. We don't have proof yet. Libby has not admitted to outing Plame.
Only to releasing information to undercut Wilson's op. ed.
I made the same mistake on another posting. :(
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:13 PM
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5. Which thread....?
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:41 PM
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12. Another website.
Edited on Fri Apr-07-06 09:13 PM by Burried News
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DIKB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:13 PM
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4. Ironic
if we tried to do a citizens arrest, and uphold the law, WE'D be arrested by the SS, FBI, CIA, whichever group. Regardless of the legitimacy of our actions. I've rarely felt so helpless as I do watching this administration get away with all that they have done.
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Blutodog Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:18 PM
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7. The Pres. hasn't had Sex with that women:
Did Pres. Bu$h have sex with Valerie and did he then lie about it to a Grand Jury? Well then what has he done so wrong? This is how most Repukes see all of this?
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:20 PM
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8. This is the essence of civil disobedience. Imagine if you had a million
people working on this one legal justification.

I imagine people trying to arrest Bush "literally and figuratively."

After being arrested, when you got into court, you would explain this constitutional legal justification for citizen arrest and force the issue into the court system. Each person can claim this justification even upon a ruling against it....In other words exercising civil disobedience at each level of the judicial process....

Now We just need an actual wording for the argument itself?
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:21 PM
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9. Someone had to tell someone else that Plame was an agent
That's information that should have been on a strictly "need to know" basis. Bush, Cheney, Rove and Libbey should never have come across that information in the normal course of events; someone else had to dig it out for them.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:24 PM
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10. Any ideas who?
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:43 PM
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13. It had to be someone inside the CIA
Someone handed the information up the line. I don't doubt that the four I named were the eventual leakers, but the trail goes back into the Agency.
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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:31 PM
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11. What I don't get is you get these supposed legal experts that stand
up and say, " yeh what Bush did could be legal but it is odd" How do we know it is legal. We know that it was done as retribution against a wistleblower so it really is not legal.... Or, waite I just checked I'm not a legal expert... sorry...
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 09:05 PM
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14. I don't understand why dems have not capitalized on this
Regardless of whom leaked it and how it was leaked..IT WAS LEAKED! I didn't KNOW that Valerie Plame was a NOC. Did you ? Obviously, very few people did. Her cover was deep and so was Brewster Jennings. THIS IS THE PERFECT National Security issue..and I don't understand WHY the dems were not more vocal and outraged. This ruined 20 years of CIA work....and at the worst time possible
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 09:19 PM
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15. Campaign Funding
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:02 PM
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19. Can you expand on that thought?
n/t
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:06 PM
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20. They need the campaign funds to get reelected. There are actual very
few companies putting in most of the election dollars. They run the country. They tell Dems and Pubs what to do. "You do as we say, or you don't get any campaign dollars." No $; no reelection. What would you do?
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:28 PM
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21. What does thta have to do with outing Valerie Plame?
Why would Corporate America care about this story?
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 11:09 PM
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24. Go back to your original question!
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 09:20 PM
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17. Please note the quote below:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1151AP_Leak_Politics.html?source=mypi

"And there was nothing in the legal papers filed by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald to suggest Bush or Cheney did anything illegal, or had specifically authorized Libby to identify Plame."

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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 09:37 PM
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18. Its still a progression of events. Lawyers don't reveal all their cards
at once. They build the argument step by step to reach a conclusion. I don't think that the "right to declassify, presidential prerogative" argument, in this instance, is going to hold up in court "Wide latitude" was the wording, not all latititude....
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