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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:05 PM
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The Hamilton Project -be warned
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 01:23 PM by Rose Siding
The Hamilton Project, which will be based at the Brookings Institution, a think-tank, will be run by Peter Orszag, an economist and senior fellow at Brookings. Policy papers unveiled yesterday proposed vouchers for summer schools and giving teachers tenure based on standards for effectiveness. "That is not consistent with certain orthodoxies we are familiar with. I think that's a fairly controversial proposal. I wouldn't say that's a yawner," said Mr Altman.

The white paper also called for entitlement reform but acknowledged the political constraints that helped stall Mr Bush's drive to reform Social Security. "The principal problem is one of political choice and will and what is most needed is a bipartisan approach for deciding among the options," it said.

Even so, Mr Rubin turned down a private approach last month from Mr Bush to join his proposed bipartisan commission on entitlement reform. He argued that it should be widened to become a fiscal commission.

Barack Obama, a Democrat senator from Illinois, welcomed the initiative as a way of transcending "tired ideologies".

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12171042/


Pardon my knee-jerk self all to heck -and subsidized summer school in failing districts isn't as terrifying as the whole concept of vouchers- but "entitlement reform"? The very idea of compromising with a radical faction that is currently represented by slavish support for unilateral executive powers is *sputter* senseless.

If they MEAN lifting the cap on the amt of income subject to ss taxes, then they shoud SAY so.

Stoller at MyDD:

The DLC Readies Itself for a Democratic Majority

Ok, so let's talk policy for a sec. Here's what Bruce Reed and Rahm Emanuel intend to implement should Democrats gain some measure of control in 2006. Policy is being hashed out by something called the Hamilton Project at the Brookings Institute, which is what Bruce Reed is going to use as a basis for his book 'The Plan' later this year.
...
So if Democrats take control of a House, there will be a fight within the party over entitlement reform, otherwise known as gutting Social Security and Medicare, over school vouchers, and over trade. Right now, the centrists are in the drivers seat

What's driving this fight is, as Stirling repeatedly points out, a failure to understand where the next wave of economic growth is going to come from. I mean, it's not like building more housing actually creates wealth production capacity, especially when the housing is built around hour long plus commutes that suck up garish amounts of oil. Free trade and immigration are debated in this light - the question is never about how to increase flows of money or people to create wealth, but about how we can allocate a dimishining amount of prosperity by controlling and limiting these flows. We don't, for instance, have free trade, we have very unfree trade that benefits well-capitalized interests and no one else. That's why protectionism works, politically speaking - why should I vote to outsource my job so that pareta efficiency can go up slightly? Yet, protectionism is a dead end and will only lead to catastrophe, as it did in the 1930s. The temptation to take by military force resources is just irresistable. So we must have free trade, it's essential, but we must have the type of free trade that distributes its benefits widely.

But that's not the real point. The issue for progressives is how to develop a political engine that creates broad-based prosperity and a political consensus to support that engine. American infrastructure will need to be overhauled - energy systems, transportation, housing - all will have to transition to a light-weight sustainable basis. The 20th century limitless oil well is over, which means that we will have to move away as citizens from the Super Size desire. What we see on the internet, particularly in new social network sites, is a different relationship of citizens to space, the ability to grow inward and upward. It's a bit more than a sketch; there is real community online, real trust, real bonds of authority, and these have the makings of a new social and political system.

The next forty years are going to be hard work, for real. But first, whether Democrats win or lose in 2006, we'll have to save Social Security again, and maybe this time from the Democrats.

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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:25 PM
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1. To tell the truth, I'm a little sick and tired
of groups of insiders coming up with big plans for the rest of us to swallow hook, line and sinker. Lest we forget, the plans for Iraq originated in a similar setting. PNAC, anyone? There is something about getting people like this together that makes them unable to plan for actual political realities.

How about, oh, I don't know, actually ASKING the American people what it is they want? How's that for being "not consistent with certain orthodoxies"?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:31 PM
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6. Pooling Ignorance - known phenomenon of think tanks, business, government
planning groups. People get together and yak each other up, it only works when the loudest actually knows whats going on (this is rare).
aka Groupthink.

"Yeah, that's the ticket."
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:33 PM
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2. Why should the DLC have any control?
I mean, it's great the Dems are getting a "plan" but if we do get a Democratic majority, it won't be because of anythign the DLC did.

Hell, the DLC are at best stooges for the conservatives. There's nothing centrist about them.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:47 PM
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3. I will be curious..
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 01:52 PM by madfloridian
to see what response you get on this. I posted similarly the other day, and I found many thought I misread or misunderstood. It is archived now, but in my journal if you are interested.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/58

Maybe I was negative that day, or maybe it was just a bad day overall. Maybe I sounded too angry, who knows.

I think I read it correctly. I posted what you have further down in the thread, and I started out a little differently. But basically we cover the same territory.

I will recommend this, because I don't think there is any misreading going on. I think they are intending to privatize it. I even posted a proposal of Obama's that sounds like the DLC savings accounts...but anyway.

Recommending this because I agree. I took my lumps, maybe I made a difference, maybe I didn't. Thanks for posting.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:03 PM
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4. K&R- Just need one more to make Greatest Page...
where this needs to be. This is important. These corporatist Dems have to be stopped, and need to be stopped before they get a chance to co-opt the coming Democratic victories. I don't want Repuke-lite policies out of triangulating dems. I want REAL DEMOCRATS, DAMMIT!


Thanks for posting!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:11 PM
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5. I agree whole heartedly. The LAST thing the Democratic Party needs is
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 02:15 PM by TankLV
more FAILED POLICIES!

Getting the Dems back in positions of power is just the beginning.

These repuke lite idiots got another thing comming if they think WE are going to allow THEM to control the agenda.

What's the point of retaking congress if we have THE SAME BANKRUPT POLICIES?!

IF the dems win - the fight will NOT be OVER!

But - sadly for my high ideals, I am inching closer to the reality that we MUST get the dems back in power FIRST.

To let the repukes continue to DESTROY OUR COUNTRY & POSSIBLY THE WORLD cannot be allowed.

Maybe it's time for THIS DEMOCRAT (me) to embrace "anybody but the repukes" ONE MORE TIME.

I haven't yet fully embrased the idea yet - but it is not as far gone as I had originally thought.

(I just kicked this to the Greatest Page.)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:49 PM
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7. Saving Social Security from the Democrats as well....I was not wrong.
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 02:50 PM by madfloridian
I am glad to see Matt S. and I agree on this one. I think that has been the DLC goal from day one, and I think Obama is buying into it.

It is not attacking, not at all. It is just facing facts:

"The next forty years are going to be hard work, for real. But first, whether Democrats win or lose in 2006, we'll have to save Social Security again, and maybe this time from the Democrats."

From Rose's quote at MyDD by Stoller.

And my previous write-up. This is serious stuff.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/58


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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:27 PM
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8. limitless oil is over yes., but unlimited "HEMP OIL" HAS BEEN
HERE,IS STILL HERE AND WILL ALWAYS BE HERE.If only the people would stop relating industrial hemp to (DARE I SAY IT), Marijuana. Not only is Hemp oil renewable, its environmentally friendly, would create a million jobs
plus many other useful products.
HEMP= BIG OIL'S WORST NIGHTMARE !! IMHO
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:11 PM
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9. Kick
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 04:13 PM by Heaven and Earth
and if I could recommend it again, I would. We on the internet have a far more legitimate claim to power within the Democratic party than the members of the Hamilton Project, because the netroots is open to everyone (with a computer and the time to read this stuff, that is. One of our long term goals should be getting everyone access to a computer and the required time), everyone gets a say, and the most convincing person wins. To paraphrase Full Metal Jacket, I love the smell of netroots in the morning. Smell's like...democracy!
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