DU poll: Should universities lose gov accred. if discrim. gay students

[NVMojo]

Should universities that prohibit gay students lose their accreditation from governing agencies?

Yes
667 votes (44%)
No
844 votes (55%)
Uncertain
12 votes (1%)


1523 people have voted so far

http://forums.kentucky.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=kr-kentgennews&msg=1407.1&ctx=1

[Jed Dilligan]

1. Kick

If for no other reason, those schools are probably hotbeds of stupidity in other fields (biology, history, economics, gender studies) and should be classified as monasteries, not universities.

[wicket]

2. kick, needs help

:kick:

[countingbluecars]

3. Done n/t

[Freedom_Aflaim]

4. Well either they have solid programs or they don't

If curriculums are solid they should be accredited, if they don't they shouldnt.

As to the issue of discrimination and who they accept etc, that should be dealt with appropriately, but it really is a seperate issue from the quality of their curriculum

[DuaneBidoux]

7. So you feel the same about refusal to admit blacks?

[Freedom_Aflaim]

20. I clearly stated that discrimination needs to be dealt with

So obviously I feel that discrimination against blacks needs to be dealt with. Of course this is not limited to just gays or blacks, but any repressed group.


(and since the plainly obvious must be spelled out to you, when I say dealt with I mean punished. When I say punished I mean punishment in many forms, including limited federal assistance, grants, matching funds etc. Shall I also define "federal assistance", "grants", "matching funds", "etc"? Just let me know and I'll be glad to explain it to you.)

[DuaneBidoux]

5. Kick-Needs LOTS of help

[Adelante]

6. Done

46%Y

[OzarkDem]

8. Kick, needs help n/t

[Douglas Carpenter]

9. done and kick and recommended --

[Donald Ian Rankin]

10. No, I don't think they should.

I don't think goverment accreditation should be influenced by anything except academic standards. They shouldn't receive government funding, but if they're teaching to the required level I think they should be accredited.

[guinivere]

11. done

yes 745
no 872

and 12 people don't know

[Joey Liberal]

12. Done n.t

[Trillo]

13. I don't know,

On one hand, it would seem it might be too strong of a measure: on the other, it's not like educators haven't had a couple hundred years to get their ducks in a row; being tolerant of intolerance just allows the intolerance to continue, while those without a strong honesty ethic lie to your face, repeatedly.

Note to the wise, this test can be voted on multiple times. I didn't know that, and was keeping an eye on it today, curious about the results, and found that it was advancing the ticker the last time I refreshed the results page.

I guess I wasted my time watching the results, because the results cannot be trusted. It's a kicks and giggles poll.

[QC]

14. The government doesn't accredit colleges.

Private bodies do that.

[Trillo]

15. That should definitely be changed.

Not just private bodies, but other educators. Educators watching other educators! What a scam!

[QC]

17. Well, since I am an educator, I'm more inclined to trust

the judgment of other educators than the state legislature or, worse yet, Jeb's bureaucrats. The things I have seen state government try to impose on us make the mind reel.

[Trillo]

18. Our forefathers who wrote the U.S. Constitution understood the

basic principal: We shouldn't have the Executive Branch watching itself.

Seems like a good generalized principal to follow. Yet, it doesn't seem to be very often.

[QC]

19. Here's the kind of thing I'm talking about.

Here in Florida, Jeb and the legislature micromanage education to a degree you would find it hard to imagine.

So, we have ended up with a testing regimen, called FCAT, that has utterly consumed public education. Students spend most of their time preparing for the FCAT, taking the FCAT, getting their FCAT scores, and then getting ready for the next round of FCAT. Parents, teachers, and students all hate it, but the condo hustlers and car salesmen in the legislature think it's just dandy. In fact, Jeb considers FCAT his proudest achievement and is supposedly setting up some kind of foundation to make sure it remains after he's gone.

That is only one possible example of many of what happens when government officials try to micromanage education.

The problem is that most people would never presume to tell, say, doctors or barbers or landscapers how to do their jobs if they knew nothing about medicine or cutting hair or planting shrubbery, but everyone who ever attended school along the way believes himself to be an expert when it comes to education. Couple that conviction with the power to act on it and you end up with silly, even destructive, mandates coming down the pike every time the lege gets together.

The accreditation process is actually quite exhaustive--and exhausting. Getting ready for a review takes years, and every aspect of a college's work is gone over thoroughly, from budgeting to facilities to what credentials the part-time instructors have and how many new books are added to the library yearly. Having seen it up close, I'm much more inclined to trust the way we do things now than to have a group of politicians and apparatchiks deciding who's doing a good job and who isn't. That would be an unmitigated disaster.

[Trillo]

21. A paradox?

The accreditation process you describe is micromanagement.
The experience of many traditional students is learning by micromanagement.

Is it truly that surprising to you, when so much of the educational process is micromanagement, that graduates experienced by techniques of micromanagement are created?

(I need to get away from the computer for some days and won't be able to continue the conversation in a timely manner. Bought a few how-to books to read :0) )

[Neil Lisst]

16. lose them!!

how can the state accredit bigotry?