If ALL Democrats hate Bush, then explain Norman Mineta!!

[killerbush]

When President Bush picked his cabinet after the election in 2000, one of the people who stayed, was a holdover from the Clinton years, Norm Mineta. People thought he would only serve for a couple of months, perhaps a year until Bush picked someone on a permanent basis to replace Mineta. Well, it's been a little less than 6 years, and Mineta is still on the job, serving the Bush presidency, and apparently neither Bush nor Mineta want the relationship to end.
Even when Mineta was at Walter Reed hospital, he still did his job from the hospital bed until he could get back on his feet, and return to full time duty. Only he, Elaine Chao, and Donald the killer Rumsfeld have been with Bush since day one. Mineta is overseeing a vastly scaled back transportation dept. since some of what Mineta used to oversee, has gone to Homeland security. Also, Mineta hasn't made any waves like others in this administration like to do on a daily basis. Mineta has kept to himself.

George Bush, and the Democrats maybe at war with one another, but here is one Democrat who has stuck by Bush, and seems to like it. Norm Mineta definitely is in the minority when it comes to Democrats who seem to like both his job, and Bush. Will wonders never cease.

[Virginia Dare]

1. $$$$$$WHORE$$$$$$$$....n/t

[MadMaddie]

2. What Virginia Dare said.....

[killerbush]

3. I take it that Mineta is slightly disliked by you

:sarcasm:

[Virginia Dare]

6. Poster asked for an explanation...

that is it. Do some research on him, guess who his wifey-poo works for?

[Buck Laser]

4. Well, she's a regular target for Ann Coulter.. n/t

[leftchick]

5. don't forget Lieberman

he has every faith in the prez. :puke:

[killerbush]

7. Only on the war leftchick

Lieberman disagrees with Bush on nearly every other issue.

[RDU Socialist]

8. OH NO YOU DIH INT

you didn't just point out that Joe Lieberman happens to agree with the President on Iraq and very little if anything else. That kind of talk is not allowed in these kind of circles, who cares if he's pro-choice, anti gay marriage amendment, pro socialized medicine, in favor of keeping civil service protections for government employees, etc. HE LIKES THE WAR IN IRAQ!!!

you know, that makes him so different from democrats like Hillary Clinton.

I would expect so much vitriol which is directed at Lieberman by some people to be given even more so to Ben Nelson.

[killerbush]

9. OH YES I JUST DID

It's true, so if you don't like Lieberman just because he agrees with Bush on the war, so be it. If there a Democrat around that you agree with 100% of the time?? And it is allowed in these circles. Oh yeah, expect Joe to kick Ned what his names ass in the upcoming primary.

[Hippo_Tron]

13. Okay, but here's why I don't like Lieberman

Lieberman goes on Russert and says that people who criticize the war are undermining our foreign policy and that we should cooperate with Bush. That's a toned down version of people who criticize the war are unpatriotic and are supporting the terrorists.

If Lieberman had simply said "I respectuflly disagree with many members of my party on this issue" I would be perfectly fine with him.

[killerbush]

18. Hippo Tom

If Lieberman went on the air and said that I respectfully disagree, you might have been alright with that, but a lot of others would not have. They have a hatred for Lieberman that it clouds their judgement. Lieberman still agrees with the party about 80-85% of the time, but since he agrees with bush on the war, he's somehow subhuman. doesn't make any sense to me.

[CTLawGuy]

22. Does 2000 dead make sense

how about $250 million dollars per day in iraq of OUR money?

How about Abu Ghraib?
How about extraordinary rendition?

[demswin06]

25. Lieberman has already explained himself

You disagree, and that's fine, but darboy, is there a person out there you agree 100% with?? I doubt there is.

[CTLawGuy]

27. no there is no one I agree with 100%

Im not requiring that I agree 100% with Joe (or anyone), but there are certain issues which are so important and so crucial that they deserve special attention.

I defy you to tell Cindy Sheehan that the war is just "one issue". She will never see her son again.

If Lieberman has "explained himself" I'd like you to point to me to his explanation. His explanation looks like he 100% supports Bush on this unnecessary war.

Would you vote for someone who was a progressive on everything, except that he thinks that all Blacks should be exterminated? After all, its "one issue" :eyes:

[killerbush]

34. If you agreed with Lieberman on everything else

but disagreed with him on the war, you wouldn't even consider voting for him, Or would you take a candidate that you disagreed on a lot more, but vote for him because he was against the war?

[CTLawGuy]

36. it depends

I would vote for the democratic nominee. Lamont agrees with me on everything else and the war (im sure there are things we don't agree on).

So I'd vote for him, but I wouldn't vote for Pat Buchanan (who opposes the war but is otherwise terrible.)

[killerbush]

38. Fair enough, but I'll stick with Lieberman

even though we disagree on the war. Oh yeah, get rid of that Red Sox avitar. It will take you another 86 years to win another world series anyway:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[CTLawGuy]

42. don't tell me you're a Yankees fan

it makes sense. You are more concerned about winning than who it is that wins. that is typical Yankee fan mentality.

[killerbush]

44. been a Yankees fan for 35 years

And proud to fly the Yankee emblem and celebrate the 26 championships.

[CTLawGuy]

47. 1 billion dollars

and no ring in the 21st century.

2000 clap clap clapclapclap... 2000 clap clap clapclapclap

I don't think the Red Sox spent a billion dollars in 100 years while the Yankees were buying championships for decades, with Babe Ruth hitting at the little league sized Yankee Stadium right field.

House Ruth Built. HAH

More like The House built for Ruth.

[killerbush]

49. 1923, 1927, 1928, 1932, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941,1943

1947,1949,1950,1951,1952,1953,1956,1958,1961,1962,1977,1978,1996,1998,1999,2000 I'm sure you know these years in history.

[CTLawGuy]

54. you know this symbol

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Most of those were in the era before the draft, when the Yankees could buy the best players every year, right out of high school and away from other teams.

Then the draft came and the Yankees success dropped considerably.

[killerbush]

58. The Sox spent over 120 million last year

And are spending more this year. Maybe it's what it takes to win championships

[CTLawGuy]

62. no, they are spending about the same

to be fair, the yankees salary is a little less this year as well.

[killerbush]

65. we atting off subject here

I'm not going to go through this anymore. I said my peace, and I am moving on.

[CTLawGuy]

55. you know this symbol

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Most of those were in the era before the draft, when the Yankees could buy the best players every year, right out of high school and away from other teams.

Then the draft came and the Yankees success dropped considerably.

[killerbush]

52. right field in Yankee staduim is 310 ft

In that barn called Fenway park, it's 302.

[CTLawGuy]

56. 302 for 6 inches

then it goes way back to 360 ft.

Fenway has a deep right field except for right near the pole.

[killerbush]

59. that's why it's so screwed up. Bury Fenway park.

It's an eyesore.

[CTLawGuy]

64. ha

its one of the reasons I came to like the Red Sox.

That and arrogant Yankees fans.

[Hippo_Tron]

23. Okay but that doesn't change what he said

You are asking DUers to respectfully disagree with Lieberman on his pro-war stance when he can't even respectfully disagree with them on their anti-war stance. See the problem?

[demswin06]

24. You are asking DUers

To attack Lieberman on one issue while ignoring the vast majority of issues he agees with them with?? See that problem??

[Hippo_Tron]

30. I'm not asking DUers to do anything

I'm just pointing out that if people want DUers to respectfully disagree with Lieberman, Lieberman should respectfully disagree with them and not use rhetoric that basically calls them unpatriotic. He doesn't like many DUers for their stance on the war and many DUers don't like him for his stance on the war.

When he apologizes for attacking people who are against the war, then you can ask those people to start finding common ground with Lieberman and you won't sound like a complete hypocrite.

[killerbush]

32. that's fine with me, but

Let's not get too carried away with Lieberman being just left of Satin, like many here in DU think he is

[CTLawGuy]

15. Tell Cindy Sheehan

and other Mothers who will never see their children again that the war is "just one issue".

what other issue has such life or death consequences as war?

There are several issues that at best Joe needs to be educated about.

First, someone needs to explain to him why rape victims can't just pick up and go to another hospital if they one they are at has a religious compunction to make them bear their rapist's child. That's right, Joe thinks "its a short ride" to another hospital and thus opposes a bill to require the morning after pill to be given to rape victims.

Second, Joe has been in favor of school vouchers, which has not been a hot topic lately, but which I think is an important issue. Vouchers destroy incentives to fund public schools by giving school boards free money for vouchers, thus allowing them to cut taxes and get reelected. Thus, vouchers destroy public schools.

Third, our First Amendment allows us freedom of expression of most any idea, not just ones that Joe finds morally acceptable. For years Joe has been fighting for censorship of content he finds immoral in TV, video games, and music. That's not the American way and that's not the Democratic way, thats the Fundie way.

[killerbush]

26. Look darboy, this isn't about Lieberman

I know you hate the man, but this thread was about Norm Mineta, and why he's still with the Bush administration. hate Joe all you want, but that's for another thread, not this one.

[CTLawGuy]

28. you brought it up buddy

way to sidestep my point. 2000 dead and I am furious for the pain of 2000 families who will have to realize that their children died for a lie which Joe supported.

[killerbush]

31. I brought up Mineta, you brought up Lieberman, along with leftchik

look at my original posting buddy!!

[CTLawGuy]

37. you could have ignored lefchick

but you decided to respond to her criticism of Lieberman, Pal.

[killerbush]

39. I could of, but you could have ignored me as well

Pal!!!

[CTLawGuy]

43. self deleted

deleted

[killerbush]

45. sorry darboy

I'm here to stay. Get used to it. also, get used to Lieberman being in the Senate for another 6 wonderful years.

[CTLawGuy]

46. so is Sean Hannity a progressive?

why do you think Hannity supports Lieberman?

[killerbush]

50. Sean Hannity is a freaking moron

[CTLawGuy]

48. sorry about insinsuating you were a republican

that was out of line.

[killerbush]

51. I am a moderate to liberal independent

And I accept your apology, and I apologize if i was out of line.

[CTLawGuy]

57. ah

well I guess that makes sense. Do you live in CT?

[killerbush]

60. Sure do, Windsor Locks.

[CTLawGuy]

63. cool

[Zhade]

53. It's NOT just Iraq.

For example, he once said "freedom OF religion doesn't mean freedom FROM religion" - which is a view antithetical to the separation of church and state.

He also loves the idea of censoring media of which HE doesn't approve.

There's far more to the anger at Lieberman than just the war. Saying it's only that is either niave or dishonest.

[killerbush]

61. Wrong!!!

Lieberman is not in favor of censoring the media. He wants more warnings for video games, but saying he wants to censor the media is just plain wrong.

[Zhade]

68. We have different definitions of "censor", then.

NT!

[leftchick]

14. really?

if you like holy joe that is your choice. I think he is a shame to the democratic party.

[killerbush]

19. Plenty of Democrats also voted for the war

Are they a shame on the Democrats as well? And please get rid of the "holy" stuff.

[CTLawGuy]

29. their votes are a shame

but most regret their votes. Joe does not. Joe gleefully supports the war.

[killerbush]

33. Regretting their votes doesn't change the facts

Clinton, Biden, Nelson and others supported the war. Just because the flipped on it doesn't absolve them of the first vote.

[CTLawGuy]

35. yeah but

Id be more inclined to give them a pass if they regretted their vote than someone who continues to support the war.

[killerbush]

40. I can't, for the most part.

Because if they flipped on the war, what other national event are they going to flip over. I don't like candidates that flip in the wind like that

[Arugula Latte]

69. But most of those other Democrats aren't on Fox kissing Bush's ass,

telling people they have to support Bush, and casting aspersions at other Democrats like Traitor Joe does. The fact that Joementum had the vice presidency stolen out from under him by this gang of criminals and then goes over to their side to defend them just infuriates me.

And why should we get rid of talk about the "holy" stuff? It's relevant. I despise Holier Than Thou public figures who shovel their particular brand of religious crap, whether they're Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or Rastafarian.

Joe Lieberman simply makes me sick. :grr:

[ShortnFiery]

41. And don't forget the recent past - The "let's duel" ZELL MILLER!

:puke:

[SeaBob]

10. The office

I think he feels he is serving the office or the people rather than the man

[kentuck]

11. He's a token that gets his picture taken with the crowd...

but is never, never, permitted to know what goes on in the inner circles...

[Hippo_Tron]

12. Maybe he feels that it is better that he stay in his job

Because he will be better in it than a Republican. He's been targeted by the right for refusing to do racial profiling at airports.

I haven't heard much about him since he took the job, so I think that he's become pretty apolitical.

[rpannier]

16. I've brought this up a couple of times

There is NO excuse for his continued presence in the scrub camp, except that he doesn't care or he is benefitting personally from it.

[liberaliraqvet26]

17. he's the secretary of transportation....

not exactly a hot button controversial figure

[killerbush]

20. May not be a hot button issue

But it is a cabinet position, and it's being filled by a Democrat.

[leesa]

21. I felt like Mineta was kept on to take part of the hit for 9-11. I think

he struck a deal...maybe keeping little secrets like why the tape of the air controllers involved with the deeds of 9-11 was cut up into little pieces and thrown out into assorted wastebaskets by a supervisor with the FAA, before it was transcribed, which is the requirement. Or did Norm answer this question?

[saltpoint]

66. Yeah, there's Mineta. But I would really like to see an all-new

government.

First choice would be all blue.

Absent that (at least for now), I'd settle for people with the integrity of Richard Clarke, for instance, who is almost unassailble in my opinion.

That's the caliber of public service I would hope for in a government.

[LaPera]

67. Geee, you fucking think money might explain it?