Why I don't like Joe Lieberman

[Hippo_Tron]

We had some discourse on this in the Norm Mineta thread, which prompted me to start my own. I know that we get about 1000 Lieberman threads a day, but I felt that I had to add this perspective.

Joe Lieberman's pro-war stance does not in itself lead me to despise him. It certainly leads me to have concerns about him, but I feel that it's wrong for me to hate someone just because of where they stand on an issue.

This is why I don't like Joe Lieberman and would have an incredibly hard time voting for him if I lived in Connecticut...

"It is time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that he will be commander in chief for three more critical years, and that in matters of war we undermine presidential credibility at our nation's peril."

This is a toned down version of "If you don't support the war, you support the terrorists." Lieberman is saying that because I am against the war, I am harming our nation. How am I supposed to support somebody who says that I am harming our nation because of what i believe in?

All that Lieberman had to do was say, "I respectfully disagree with many members of my party on this issue." That's it, that's all he had to do. But he didn't, he did what Tom DeLay, Dick Cheney, and FAUX News did and said that I'm helping the enemy because I am exercising my right to free speech.

I don't see how Lieberman supporters can ask those who are agasinst the war not to dislike Lieberman over one issue when clearly he dislikes us over one issue.

When Lieberman says "Although I disagree with them on this particular issue, the people who are opposing this war also support many progressive causes that I also support and therefore they are great Americans," I will say "Although I disagree with him on this particular issue, Senator Lieberman supports many progressive causes that I also support and therefore he is a great American."

Until then, he can go fuck himself.

[Hippo_Tron]

1. kick

[godhatesrepublicans]

17. He needs to go, a discredit to, well, EVERYTHING.

[MadMaddie]

2. Well said.....it is obvious he cares more about his Repug

backing then whats left of his Dem backing...

[CTLawGuy]

3. I agree

there is a rat that I am smelling about Lieberman. He goes the extra mile in helping support Bush's causes.

[Jesterstear]

4. Don't forget...

Along with Tipper Gore, Joe Lieberman is one of the biggest pro-censorship forces on the left. I still don't understand why Gore was so stupid as to take him as his running mate when he was already saddled with that albatross Tipper. A large part of the voting block in 2000 was made up of people that were teens when Tipper went on her censorship crusade. We shuddered at the implications of having 2 of the biggest pro-censorship forces in the country having that much power.

Of course we also didn't realize just how evil the Bush cabal would be.

[Pithy Cherub]

5. Lieberman is the quintessential bush enabler on

the most important issue: Bush's wars. Lieberman is all about himself and how he thinks he should be perceived. Reality bites. Hopefully, Joementum will overtake his senatorial campaign as it did in his vainglorious 2004 campaign.

Go Ned Lamont, Go!:applause:

[killerbush]

6. gee, are you not going to like Lieberman

Even when he's reelected to the Senate???

[dolstein]

7. Most DU'ers hated Lieberman before the Iraq War

If it weren't Iraq, it would be something else. Lieberman's devout religious faith, willingness to speak openly on issues of morality and his willingness to challenge the entertainment industry on its willingness to market graphic sex and violence to children would be enough to make Lieberman persona non grata around here.

[Liberal Veteran]

10. We hate him for his morals?

Um...yeah.

Right.

[BillZBubb]

12. Oh Please! What rubbish.

I dislike Lieberman because he is a DINO, plain and simple. He is an enable of the criminal Bush regime and a knife in the back of Democratic opposition. I don't give a rat's ass about his faith.

[dolstein]

15. That doesn't change the truth of what I said

People may try to blame Lieberman's unpopularity around here on the Iraq War, but the fact is that he was very unpopular around here even before the Iraq War. I've been posting on DU since 2001, and there were plenty of "I Hate Joe Lieberman" posts back then.

[Liberal Veteran]

18. But not for the reasons you claim.

Yes, many people disliked Lieberman before the war, but I never heard anyone say they hate him because he's the paragon of virtue you make him out to be.

[Hippo_Tron]

13. I wasn't on DU before the Iraq War

And I remained civil to him all throughout the primary season and most of last year as well. Only after he started spewing this crap on television did I change my opinion about him.

[Arugula Latte]

14. Yes, he and other holy rollers should shut their traps about "morality."

What do these corrupt Senators know about morality? I don't care if they're Christian, Jewish or Rastafarian -- they should shut the hell up and leave religion out of public life.

[Jesterstear]

16. Yeah, right...

Willingness to challenge the entertainment industry?

Yeah, right.

More like attempts to blackmail the entertainment industry.

If Lieberman had his way, video game and movie studios would have to send a representative to every store in America to make sure that clerks and dumbass parents that can't pay attention to the ratings systems in use wouldn't sell their products to children. Yes, he has stated that he does not want to hold Best Buy responsible when a clerk sells an M-rated game to a child, he wants to hold the game manufacturer responsible for it.

He's complained about the entertainment industry advertising in magazines aimed at children. What magazines, you might ask? TV Guide, Sports Illustrated (not "SI For Kids, either), and other magazines that are not "adult" in the Playboy sense, but are marketed towards adults.

He's attemtped to censor musical acts.

He's a board member of the PTC, the fundie whackos that were responsible for almost 100% of complaints filed to the FCC last year.

So please, get something straight before you shoot your mouth off like this again - we don't hate him because of any of the reasons you said above. We hate him because he believes not in "protecting the children," but because he believes in forcing his religious viewpoint on everyone, and he's using his position to try and force it upon us via the law.

[Solon]

21. Maybe its because the guy is a few grams short of a kilo?

Would that explain it for you, challenging the entertainment industry, so to speak, is an assault on the First Amendment, and don't even LET me get started on whole "morality" clap trap that he is spewing. He doesn't have a leg to stand on, especially after supporting a war of aggression, the man is no better than a petty thug at this point in time, why should anyone think any different.

[IndianaGreen]

22. "Lieberman's devout religious faith"

Lieberman's devout religious faith

All that false piety that apparently Lieberman shares with the likes of Bush and bin Laden. All three are pious men, and all three have no problem praying to their respective gods while thousands of innocents are slaughtered on their gods' behalf.

willingness to speak openly on issues of morality

Lieberman has joined the moralists among us such as Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Lynne Cheney, and Bill Bennett in their rants against sex sins all the while remaining silent about the Abu Ghraib abuses and torture. Isn't that the typical rightwing morality, the one that screams about Clinton getting fellatio in the Oval Office while looking the other way at the murders being ordered by Bush from the Oval Office?

his willingness to challenge the entertainment industry on its willingness to market graphic sex and violence to children

What happenned to parental reponsibility and the V-chip? No, Lieberman believes in censorship favored by the Christian Jihadists.

[Boojatta]

8. What is presidential credibility in matters of war?

"It is time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that he will be commander in chief for three more critical years, and that in matters of war we undermine presidential credibility at our nation's peril."

Could Lieberman have meant that if all competent appointees are persuaded to quit, then US soldiers will be in danger?

Could Lieberman have meant that failure in Iraq would have harmful consequences for the US and that the US shouldn't adopt a fatalistic attitude towards the civil war in Iraq?

[Totally Committed]

9. Very well said...

During the 2000 campaign I met him and his wife, Hadassah. I liked him fine. (I actually liked Hadassah a lot better than him, but, he was okay.) Since then, it has been pretty much a free-fall into total and complete dislike, distrust, and disappointment for him.

I can't stand him at this point.

TC

[saltpoint]

11. I'd love to see his wife, Haddassah, get through to him on the war issue.

She might be the best hope.

Other than that, he seems firmly dug in, doesn't he.

I'd go for Lamont in that primary. And a lot of us will be watching to see how it turns out.

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