"Fundies" are waking up!!

[JanusAscending]

Well, Happy Easter everyone! I went to my son's home for dinner today.He and my daughter in law and her family (all fundies) are all very disillusioned with the chimp!! They were discussing backing John McCain for pres. in 08!!! They are realizing that BUSH LIES, and they were completely used by him,and now they feel discarded. POOR BABIES!! The conversation around the dinner table was very interesting to say the least. I was able to talk to them about politics without an argument for a change. My son does love to push my buttons tho! They admitted that they voted for the chimp because he wasn't a "baby killer" and is against same sex marraige.... I asked them if the 2+ thousands of our sons and daughters lives and limbs were not as important as the life of an unborn fetus. What good is it if we are PRO LIFE if there's not a soul left alive on this planet after a nuclear HOLOCAUST???? I hope many more of you will have stories like this as a result of the Holiday. And don't get me wrong, I'm a Believer in Jesus Christ, and honor Him as my Lord. I am Pro CHOICE, not pro abortion, but didn't He say to "do unto others?" etc. I'm living my life by the Golden rule. The world would be a better place if we all followed this RULE no matter what our religious persuasion.Hope this is the start of a great illumination to those who swallowed all of his lies, hook, line and sinker. DCO8)

[Eric J in MN]

1. Since Bush isn't running again, and they seem willing to support

a Republican in 2008 (and I assume Republicans in 2006) this doesn't help us.

[JanusAscending]

11. BABY STEPS PEOPLE !!

Just this past Christmas, with the same group, they would not have believed that their "master" would lie to them!! It will take them a while to see that the whole party is as bad as him!! It is a long way to '08, and who knows, by then we won't need them either! I am confident in '06, without them. Once the bush is burned along with Jr. chimp, do you all really believe we can't beat McCain??? Oh thee of little faith!!

[beam me up scottie]

12. Keep up the good work.

But you'll have to bear with those of us who are so rightfully pessimistic.

:)

[rhett o rick]

36. So is trading Bush for McCain a baby step?

Can we beat McCain in 2008, you ask? Yes the same way Kerry beat Bush in 2004. The fundies that finally figured out that Bush lied (not too sharp) will turn right around and follow the next liar that claims he is for family values and against badness. Especially when the NeoCons own the media, the voting machines, and have Karl Rove on their side.

[Initech]

2. Yeah, backing McCain isnt the greatest idea...

Considering he's had his lips firmly placed on Falwell's ass lately, doesnt really sound all that great...

[serryjw]

5. Not to mention Bushit's ass

McCain is more gone ho on military power than*. They will get more of the same if they back him

[beam me up scottie]

3. Who's pro-abortion?

I don't know anyone who fits that description.

[BillZBubb]

7. I'm pro-abortion.

There are times when abortion is the sane, ethical thing to do. In those cases I am pro-abortion. There are also times when a woman feels her situation requires she terminate a pregnancy. In those cases I am also pro-abortion.

So, now you know at least one person who fits the description.

[beam me up scottie]

8. I'm pro choice.

Rabidly so.

I think the decision should be up to the woman and that the procedure should remain safe, available to all women and legal.

Pro-abortion is what my freeper co-workers call people like me.

[PublicWrath]

15. Two people. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

17. Great!

I'll bet you use the ever so descriptive phrase late term abortion too.

:thumbsup:

[sandnsea]

27. Three

I don't think there's any shame or moral wrong in having an abortion. If it's what is necessary under a set of circumstances, so be it. If I thought it were actually killing a life, I wouldn't support it at all.

[Cerridwen]

40. Four.

My "baby" sister had 2 ectopic pregnancies. In each case the procedure performed is what the anti-women, forced "pregnancy-as-punishment" crowd call "abortion." Had that crowd had its way some 30 years ago, my "baby" sister would now be dead.

As to late term abortion, here is one woman's experience. I, for one, would question the humanity of anyone...anyone who would claim this woman was a "sinner" or "murderer" or that she had an "abortion of convenience."

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2004/01/25/my_late_term_abortion/

We have had decades of letting our opposition frame and define the debate away from birth control, sex education, safe and healthy pregnancies and well babies and mothers, women's sexual and gynecological health, and families' rights to define and decide the size and makeup of their family by maliciously narrowing the debate to one plank of the platform and demonizing and stigmatizing abortion and anyone who has one as "murder" or "sinner."

The results of that can be seen when someone will say "well, I'd never have an abortion myself, but..." or "I don't believe in abortion myself, but..." Why? Why wouldn't they have an abortion? Because it's a sin? Because it's murder? Why don't they "believe" in abortion? Because it's a sin? Because it's murder? The person speaking those words has lost the argument before it even begins. They have implicitly stated that they believe abortion is wrong; in some sense of the word, i.e. a sin or murder and there is also the suggestion that women have abortions for "convenience." "...but, I support a woman's right to choose murder?" "...but, I support a woman's right to sin?" "...but, I myself, would never do such a sinful, murderous thing just for convenience?" They might as well say that last because they've already implied it.

So, I am pro-abortion. And to those who say, "I would never have an abortion myself, but..." please, do tell, what if you were presented with an ectopic pregnancy? What if you were presented with the scenario in the linked article? What if you were raped and discovered you were pregnant? What if the rapist decides he wants parental rights? What if you became pregnant at 13? 14? 15? What if having one more child means you cannot feed the children you have? What if having one more pregnancy destroys your health? What if you hadn't been lucky enough (so far) to go through life without any of the myriad reasons women are forced to "choose" to have abortions? What if...?

Abortion is rarely a "choice." Abortion is an option. An option that needs to remain safe, legal and available; for all women; even the ones who "would never have an abortion, but..." and find themselves suddenly "inconvenienced."

Yeah, I am pro-abortion.

[BillZBubb]

4. Wow, the suckers are moving from one lying Repug to another.

I'm not impressed. I would be impressed if they realized McCain (or any other "top" Repug) is almost as bad as Bush.

They'll sell their country down the river just to keep women from having abortion as an option. Pathetic. Maybe you are on to something and this is the start of an awakening, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[JanusAscending]

13. Sorry to say this ,.but

I wasn't trying to "impress" you, and please,....don't call my family "suckers". I can call them that, but you can't! They have been led astray, like sheep, by their shepherds ( dogmatic clerics) Anything I can do to get them back on track is a move in the right direction (to the left, left, left!!) Peace!!

[rhett o rick]

52. You are right to stand up for your family, but you must understand

the frustration of trying not to hate all Republicans. All Republicans are not bad but they must be held accountable for enabling the NeoCon Cabal to high-jack the Country. Although many of them (via the polls) have dropped their support of Bush/Cheney they continue to support the war, torture, using chem weapons on Iraqis, etc. It must be hard for you when they continue to support torture.

[PublicWrath]

6. Happy Easter!

It's wonderful to know that some light is finally dawning on people who have supported bush.

I've got a sane old-school variety repub friend who cusses bush every chance he gets. It's so nice.

[susanna]

22. Weird...that happened to me last week.

A staunch *-lover, who knows I am anything but, forwarded me an e-mail that was less than flattering of * and his ilk. I almost fell over, and when he called me on the phone I asked "have you stopped drinking the Kool Aid on purpose?" He said, "No, but this guy has turned out to be an absolute nightmare."

And here I was, thinking to myself: "I warned you about that almost six years ago." Because I am not an "I told you so" kind of person, I kept quiet. I think the original poster is right - something is turning, though I am not sure what or why. That said, I'll take it at this point. :-)

[PublicWrath]

24. I'm going to have to write up what my sane repub friend thinks about

bush for a DU post one of these days. I'd always been afraid to say anything about bush around my friend, and then during the Katrina tragedy
he went berserk one day and started cussing and cussing .....and hasn't stopped. He says bush is "just a rich man's asshole son" and a great deal more in the same vein.

[JanusAscending]

42. Funny that you mention the "Kool Ade!!

One of my "fundie" in-laws yesterday said "I see you've been drinking the kool ade"!! when he heard that I was a democrat! :rofl: Maybe he's been lurking here? DC

[leesa]

9. So the fools are ready to have McCain lie to them, huh? Same lies.

[countmyvote4real]

10. I don't see any progress there. Sorry. n/t

[Jane Austin]

26. I do, on one point.

McCain is opposed to torture.

Bush embraces it.

[amitten]

14. I'm curious: What convinced them (finally) that Bush lies? n/t

[JanusAscending]

16. The press coverage,

because they don't get much on line information. The "liberal" press has done just enough reporting for them to see all the lies he's been caught in. It's the LIES folks!! To them, there is no degree of sin. Sin is sin, whether it be lying, cheating or going to war for lies. I think they were just ready to hear some TRUTH for a change!!

[beam me up scottie]

18. That's what's finally getting to

the people I work with, too.

Not all of them are freepers.

I'm working on the ones who are slowly coming out of their coma and blinking in the light.

THey know they've been had.

[amitten]

19. Right...but is there a specific lie that sent them over the edge?

I ask because although Bush lies constantly, many treat it like the media is just making this stuff up. What finally convinced them? Because they could have easily seen him for the liar he is at least a good 6 months ago...

[JanusAscending]

20. Gottcha!

They said a lot of it had to do with the "outing" of Valerie Plame, and the admission of the omission of the truth in re to NSA spying.

[amitten]

21. Well, good. You'd have to be a complete imbecile to not see

that he was lying in those instances.

It's nice to know that people's brains are still functional, after all.

[sandnsea]

28. So that was it

The disconnect between him saying he was going to find the leaker when he was the leaker all along. And cable news actually showed him saying the words then, so it couldn't be spun or denied.

That's what it took?

If that was it, that means that's the way we're going to have to campaign in the future, we're going to have to actually show them lying, straight from the horse's mouth. Nothing else will ever get through to them.

[sutz12]

30. It's the taxes....

Shrub had everybody believing they were going to get 'middle class tax cuts.'

Anybody seen any drop in taxes around here? After six years, they are starting to realize that all of those tax cuts for the wealthy aren't trickling down to the real people.

Tax day brings that out in people. They get reminded that "Hey, I paid this much last year, too." My income is the same, but my take home isn't better. What gives."

[tsuki]

29. I'm impressed, but I suspect your folks are not Fundies. Down

here, Fundies cannot sin in the name of Jesus. Lies, torture, deaths are acceptable if they are done in the name of Jesus. Bush is a good Christian, and Kerry is the Anti-Christ.

[blm]

41. It only took the press 6yrs to start telling 20% of the truth about Bush.

Imagine if the public heard the WHOLE TRUTH about BushInc.

[Lexingtonian]

23. Well, it's a start....

But...McCain? He's material for a somewhat out of it grandpa figure, not a President.

[JanusAscending]

43. I totally agree with you!!

n/t

[Zambero]

25. The GOP fooled me once. Shame on them. Twice?

Shame on me! How about, three, four times or more? It seems that a lot of voters habitually vote Republican, eventually become disillusioned with the whole bunch, and then go on to vote for the next batch of Republicans who will in turn piss them off, etc. etc. They're worse than a dog that runs down porcupines and suffers the consequences only to do it again when the next opportunity arises. These fools bumper sticker motto should read: "Don't blame me, I voted for crooks and liars but can't help myself".

[July]

31. Now start working on them about McCain, Bush's lapdog.

They need a few facts about McCain's Bushlove. If they're over Bush, they ought to be aware of how much McCain has carried water for him. Don't forget the famous "hug" photo.

[eauclaireliberal]

32. McCain is a shill

for the neocons. Voting for him is another vote for BushCo (yeah, W's legacy is stuck to us like flies to shit for decades to come). JM is just as much a warmongerer.

[rhett o rick]

38. Here, here nm

[niceypoo]

33. My friend is in a similar quandary

He was a Bush-bot until as of late. His political positions have always been pure GOP talking point. Now he is thoroughly mixed up. He mixes worn out old GOP talking points with ranting about Bush. Its almost unreal to listen to.

[LaCrosseDem]

34. I left the church after almost 40 years over Bush.

I just couldn't stand the fact that Christianity had basically been taken over by bushbots. Good for you for hanging onto your faith in the face of all of this!

[JanusAscending]

45. I left my Church many years ago,

and this was one of the reasons..........they forget that Jesus loves sinners too, and he is in the forgiving business!! No, I hold my faith firm and close. As I said previously, I live by the Golden Rule, church or no church. They are just buildings after all. The body of Christ is the real Church, and there are still a lot of us out here! Take heart. DC "do unto others....as you would have them do unto you" Amen?

[JanusAscending]

47. P.S.

By the way...WELCOME TO DU !!!:hi:

[cindyw]

35. Just wait, they will fall back asleep.

When Fox tells them to they will believe that it was all Bush's fault and that no other Republican is to blame.

[TayTay]

37. Nice work DC!

You give me hope with this report.

How do we get them back? Same way we lost them, one at a time, people, one at a time.

Thanks!

[JanusAscending]

44. Thank you Tay!

It's hard for some people who don't have "fundie" loved ones, ( who you'd like to smack up side their heads and tell them to WAKE UP!),..to understand what a victory it is to have them actually start to do just that! Your support is very welcome!:pals: DC

[hyphenate]

39. I don't have a family gathering to go to

but my best friend's brother invited me along with Barb on March 19 for a St. Paddy's Day dinner. I'm pretty much part of the family, and go with Barb to all kinds of family outings. Her brother's son in law is a liberal like me, and sometimes we go on and on about Bush, but we tend to have interference from some of the members of the house! This night we bagan talking and NO ONE uttered a word or took on GWB'd defense. As a matter of fact, my friend Barb was actually arguing the LIBERAL side with us! What a sight to behold! It has made life easier in such circumstances, but it's a fucking miserable matter to deal with in real life.

[DesertRat]

46. I don't see how voting for McCain is a step in the right direction

[JanusAscending]

48. Did I say it was???

If that's the impression you got from my post, I apologize. No it's not a step in the right direction, but remember.. they are Repubs, and a bit slower than we progressive liberals!! LOL

[rhett o rick]

50. Please don't take this as an attack on yourself, but......

waking up to recognize the lies of the NeoCon Cabal after six years only to look toward and believe the lies of another NeoCon isn't worth calling a step in the right direction. Until fundies recognize HOW they were deceived and not let it happen again, they are lost, and therefor we are lost.

[DesertRat]

51. The title of your original post

"Fundies" are waking up!! As well as the statement "they were discussing backing John McCain for pres. in 08!!! sounded like it to me.
I also am a discerning Christian. Peace.

[rhett o rick]

49. Fundies can't wake up. They just get manipulated from one demagogue

to another. True believers in Jesus wouldn't vote Republican.