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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:48 PM
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Hagel: I've lost confidence in Rumsfeld

Hagel: I've lost confidence in Rumsfeld


BY DON WALTON / Lincoln Journal Star

Sen. Chuck Hagel said Monday he shares the lack of confidence in Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld separately voiced by six retired generals.

“The concern I’ve had is, at a very dangerous time, (the) secretary of defense does not command the respect and confidence of our men and women in uniform,” Hagel said.

“There is a real question about his capacity to lead at this critical time,” he said.

“I have had many conversations with military leaders about their concern about what’s happening at the Pentagon and with our force structure.”

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http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2006/04/17/local/doc44442561a463f148134467.txt




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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:52 PM
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1. I saw a debate on this issue on CNN that blew my mind.
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 06:53 PM by lvx35
The argument against him (Rumsfeld) was really strong. The counter argument was that its "innapropriate to talk about changing the secretary of defense in a time of war", repeated like a mantra. It always reminds me of John Steward sarcasticly yelling "we can't pull ver now and look at a map, can't you see we're LOST!" The truth is if we have an incompetant SECDEF the BEST time to change him is in the middle of a war!!!
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:00 PM
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4. All the republican bluster
just cracks me up !!!
They protest so much... the pukes just can't help themselves
and apparently they cannot even see the hole they are digging.
Okay Mr Rumsfeld .. if it's not your fault that the "war" is screwed up...
then who's fault is it ????? Bwahahahhaaaa
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:38 PM
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7. Lincoln Changed Generals--Frequently!
No time like the present to remove the incompetent!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:59 PM
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8. Since it's endless war by definition, we can never change them, right?
There will be no end to the war on terrorism; there's no capital to capture and no hand to force to sign a document. As such, we are at continual war, and any concessions we all make "for the duration" ARE FOREVER.

So if greedy assholes start an elective war and claim that it's unwise to remove them due to the grave nature of the war, remind them that it's all their simpering little plot to suck pity and demand unquestioned control FOREVER.

Tough guys snivelling for sympathy are beyond disgusting.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:53 PM
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2. Uncle Don ain't gonna like this much. Can't blame the liberal media
or the Democrats for this one. Or the "angry left" on the blogs either.

Hagel's a Republican from a red state.

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:59 PM
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3. I'm waithing for him to lose confidence in Bush and Cheney
. . . and announce that he'll vote guilty after the impeachment bills are sent to the Senate.

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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:00 PM
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5. No disputing it--Rummy
should go. But just which person has the backbone to take the Secretary of Defense position:
Two have been mentioned. One, of course is J. Lieberman. A Democratic senator, his appointment means a vacancy in his current position, of course. The other often-mentioned possibility is the current undersecretary, Gordon England. G.E. was the first undersecretary of the Dept. of Homeland Security and was Secy. of the Navy. Prior, he was business, business, business: General Dynamics Corporation in numerous configurations. http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/depsecdef_bio.html

Who would the military prefer? Who would military personnel respect? Are there other candidates? Remember, whoever takes Rummy's spot gets two years and starts in the middle of the book with the chapters about incompetence and unnecessary war. An ugly job, for sure. Maybe we should just let the Joint Chiefs do their military thing and forget about a Secy. of Defense for the balance of the BFEE administration.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:10 PM
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6. He's not the only republican senator who's voiced similar thoughts:
Senator Trent Lott (R-MS): "I'm not a fan of Secretary Rumsfeld. I don't think he listens enough to his uniformed officers."
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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:48 PM
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9. HAGEL MORE SCAREY THAN BUSH
I'm trying to figure if the trilateral commission has already chosen our next president as Chuck Hagel.
Otherwise, why would he continue to criticize Bush/Cheney when he has been part of their group all along.

SOME FACTS ABOUT MR. HAGEL.

He owns at leats a $5M interest in a company called McCarthy group that holds an undisclosed large
share of ES&S Voting Machine company. He was also their former CEO. There are strong ties via
the aforementioned McCarthy Group to Diebold as well as Diebold technology in Nebrashka.

He won by 54% in 1996 when Nebraska (like Georgia in 2002 was solidly Democratic for 132 years), he
won against a popular candidate, Ben Nelson a democrat so popular he won a seat as senator again in 2000 (note to
self, sometimes when rigging candidates, let the bad guys into office now and then so it doesn't look
like a cakewalk)..... In 2000 Hagel won a senate seat again by the largest margin victory ever in history
of Nebraska 83%.

Hagel is a part of the Trilateral Commission, Bilderburg society, German parents...
Belongs to Alfalfa club, described as follows:
"An exclusive Washington, D.C. club for the rich and powerful, founded in 1913. Its sole purpose is to hold an annual banquet each January to honor the birthday of General Robert E. Lee. There are approximately 200 members. Each member is eligible to bring up to two guests to the $200-a-plate dinner. The club always serves filet mignon and lobster."
Spiro Agnew(Nixon's crooked VP), James Baker, Howard Baker, Reagan's chief of staff, Michael Armstrong, CEO of Comcast
both Bush's...

anyway, he's going to take the single branch government that dumbo Bush setup and he is not the dimwit that Bush is, he is smart enough and connected to finish the complete sale of America that Bush started.

be scared of Hagel....

very very scared...

but I do like that he beats up on this administration, but I think that's a sign that he know's he'll rig himself into office and is not afraid of the Bush Administration...


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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:05 PM
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10. Well, duh. Rumsfeld has a boss, you know, and he is the CIC. Bush is the
one you should be blaming.
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