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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:02 PM
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"The first time Rove lost, rather than acquired power in the Bush circle"
By Howard Fineman
MSNBC contributor
Updated: 11:25 a.m. ET April 19, 2006

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12388020/

WASHINGTON – As expected, Scott McClellan is quitting his job as the human pinata of the press room. Not so expected is new Chief of Staff Josh Bolten's decision to clip the wings of George Bush's political alter-ego of 33 years, Karl Rove.

In the snakepit of the White House — any White House — power is a zero sum game. Bolten has demonstrated his clout by taking some away from the Empire of Rove. Forget trying to play policy expert, Bolten told Rove. Go back to focusing on what you do best: building and running a Republican election machine.

And, by the way, if the Republicans lose the Congress in 2006, it's gonna be your fault, Karl — not the president's.
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By ripping a star from Rove's epaulet — the first time Rove has ever lost, rather than acquired, power in the Bush circle — Bolten showed that he can be effective, that he can influence events.

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:03 PM
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1. Spin and Bullshit
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:09 PM
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7. agreed. Fineman is saying what ROVE wanted him to say.
These guys are such suckers.

I imagine Fineman as the dog, and Rove as the dog owner with the ball, acting like he threw it, then watching Fineman look back and forth.

"Where did it go?! Where did it go, boy?!!"
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:12 PM
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9. Absolutely true. This doesn't change a thing...
...but it's interesting to see Fineman and others present it as Bush's hatchet man "shaking things up"...

And amazingly enough, the talking head on MSNBC JUST SAID "Let's go to Jeannie Ohm at the White House for more on this shake-up" AS I WAS TYPING THIS.

The spin is in, no doubt about it.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:18 PM
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16. Amen to that! Absolute horsecrap from Fineman. Did he bother to even
change a single word from the RNC fax???

Rove ins't the only one gearing up for the mid-terms, Fineman is polishing his hackery skills too.

:puke:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 01:35 PM
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23. Exactly my first thought, too. Howie will always spin it the way WH wants.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:05 PM
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2. Oh, KKKarl In A "Role Shift" Whoppee. He Needs To Go, Period!
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 12:06 PM by Dinger
Sure, I just bet he'll have a diminished role, yeah, riiiight
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mommadona Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:36 PM
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19. Well, Here's the Plan - I'd look for an attack on Iran
Rove Offers Republicans A Battle Plan For Elections
washingtonpost.com
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/20/AR2006012001853_pf.html
By Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, January 21, 2006; A01

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove offered a biting preview of the 2006 midterm elections yesterday, drawing sharp distinctions with the Democrats over the campaign against terrorism, tax cuts and judicial philosophy, and describing the opposition party as backward-looking and bereft of ideas.

"At the core, we are dealing with two parties that have fundamentally different views on national security," Rove said. "Republicans have a post-9/11 worldview and many Democrats have a pre-9/11 worldview. That doesn't make them unpatriotic -- not at all. But it does make them wrong -- deeply and profoundly and consistently wrong."

Rove spoke at the winter meeting of the Republican National Committee and, with RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman, provided a campaign blueprint for fighting the Democrats. They spoke at the beginning of an important election year in which Republicans are battling historical trends, public unrest over Iraq and a spreading corruption scandal that together threaten to reduce the GOP majorities in the House and the Senate and possibly shift control of one or both chambers to the Democrats.

At a time when Democrats have staked their hopes in large part on the issue of corruption, Rove and Mehlman showed that Republicans plan to contest the elections on themes that have helped expand their majorities under President Bush. They see national security and the vigorous prosecution of the campaign against terrorism at the heart of the GOP appeal to voters.

Rove's RNC address was a rare public appearance at a time when he remains under investigation in the CIA leak case that resulted in the indictment and resignation of Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. Despite the investigation, Rove is still Bush's top political adviser.

Taking no questions from the audience or the news media, Rove used his platform to excoriate Democrats for "wild and reckless and false charges" against Bush on the issue of domestic spying and what he called an attempted smear against Judge Samuel A. Alito Jr. at his Supreme Court confirmation hearings last week. "Some members of the committee came across as mean-spirited and small-minded, and it left a searing impression," Rove said, referring to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Mehlman echoed Rove on national security and taxes and explicitly addressed the corruption issue. Republicans and Democrats have offered competing plans to tighten the rules regulating the interaction between lawmakers and lobbyists, but, as the majority party, Republicans stand to lose more if there is widespread public revulsion over the scandal.

Calling for the vigorous prosecution of any wrongdoing, Mehlman sought to insulate his party from the spreading scandal involving lobbyist Jack Abramoff, the indictment of former House majority leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) and the guilty plea of former representative Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-Calif.). "If Republicans are guilty of illegal or inappropriate behavior," Mehlman said, "then they should pay the price and they should suffer the consequences."

Rove referred only indirectly to the corruption issue, warning Republicans against becoming complacent in power. "The GOP's progress during the last four decades is a stunning political achievement," he said. "But it is also a cautionary tale of what happens to a dominant party -- in this case the Democrat Party -- when its thinking becomes ossified, when its energy begins to drain, when an entitlement mentality takes over, and when political power becomes an end in itself rather than a means to achieve the common good."

Democrats were quick to respond, with Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean challenging Rove's fitness to serve. "Karl Rove only has a White House job and a security clearance because President Bush has refused to keep his promise to fire anyone involved in revealing the identity of an undercover CIA operative," Dean said in a statement. Dean added: "The truth is, Karl Rove breached our national security for partisan gain and that is both unpatriotic and wrong."

It was four years ago this week when Rove, appearing at another meeting of the RNC, said Republicans would make terrorism a central issue of the 2002 midterm elections. Rove's remarks infuriated Democrats, who protested that, until then, Bush had stressed bipartisanship and national unity in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Republicans made historic gains in 2002, and Bush successfully used the issue again to help secure his reelection in 2004, despite growing public dissatisfaction with the administration's handling of the war in Iraq. Yesterday's speeches by Rove and Mehlman signaled that the White House and the RNC intend to pursue much the same strategy in a midterm-election year that begins with Republicans on the defensive.

Mehlman and Rove accused the Democrats of trying to weaken the USA Patriot Act and of embracing calls for a premature exit from Iraq. They defended Bush's use of warrantless eavesdropping to gather intelligence about possible terrorist plots. "Do Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean really think that when the NSA is listening in on terrorists planning attacks on America, they need to hang up when those terrorists dial their sleeper cells in the United States?" Mehlman asked. Pelosi (D-Calif.) is the House minority leader.

Before completing their meeting, the Republicans rebuffed efforts to pass a resolution on immigration that would have put the national committee at odds with the president over the issue of a guest-worker program. Instead, the RNC approved a resolution supporting Bush's position.
© 2006 The Washington Post Company
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:06 PM
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3. Just means they are worried about the midterms
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:10 PM
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8. They did the same exact thing
with Karen Hughes-except she had a family she was supposedly going to spend more time with.All she did though was help orchestrate the last election from Crawford instead of 1600 Pennsylvania
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:14 PM
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11. Exactly, this is what Rove does best
and it is critical for them that Rove is allowed to give his full attention to the fall elections.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:07 PM
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4. rove didn't lose anything
He was in charge of domestic policy. The bush administration doesn't have a domestic policy, so karl didn't have a job. His strength is swiftboating, lieing, forging and trashing opponents. It is a sad commentary on the republican party that they have to depend on that pathetic human being to attempt to win elections (by his methods.)
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:07 PM
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5. Wonder if Karlito will take it personally?
and maybe do something to, like, sabotage the plans of the jerk who has stolen his old place beside his best buddy George?
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:13 PM
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10. i would bet that it is all karl's idea. you think bush is
stubborn for backing 'heck-of-a-job rummy'? no way would he do anything against k-k-k-karl. karl knows where ALL of the skeletons are. this is karl's plan.

ellen fl
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remfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:08 PM
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6. Oh, Howard
I don't buy that for a second. Rove HAS to concentrate on the mid-term, it's what he DOES, he isn't a policy guy and you KNOW THAT. Rove, I'm betting, ASKED to get out of the "policy" hole. Bolten moved a deck chair, BFD.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:15 PM
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12. Good call
remfan
"Praise be to Nero's Neptune the Titanic sails at dawn everybody's shouting "which side are you on?" Bob Dylan-Desolation Row
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:15 PM
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13. Actually, Rove was FIRED by BushCo back in Texas days
For pulling one of his political hatchet jobs, which backfired on Poppy. Or so the story goes. Sorry, no link. Gotta run.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:16 PM
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15. Yea but that was
George H.W.that shitcanned him-NOT Junior
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:16 PM
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14. for anybody who believes this BS--I have some great oceanfront property
in NM to sell you.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:28 PM
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17. didn't poppy bush once fire Rove?
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PublicWrath Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:29 PM
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18. Rove. Indictment. Coming. It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas!
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 01:28 PM
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21. agreed - they are distancing themselves from Rove, cuz indictment is
on the way. I wonder when?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:44 PM
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20. bogus bushwah, howie
Total, shameless, unmitigated bushwah.

Goddam effer.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 01:33 PM
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22. Rove working on Political issues
umm, could this be related to the upcoming Nov. elections with him spreading his venom to our new Democratic Senators who are thinking about running? Rove is such a sleaze, appointed to this position for damage control??????
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 01:48 PM
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24. Fineman, imbecile: "On Iraq, in poker terms, Bush is doubling down."
When was the last time you "doubled down" in poker?

:rofl:
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