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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:32 AM
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If Bush is a Christian, doesn't he believe in an afterlife?
Why would he say "History. We won't know," he told the journalist Bob Woodward in 2003. "We'll all be dead."

I pray W will go to heaven just as I pray this for all human beings. However, I believe heaven is a relative state of being. I believe he will have full clarity about the consequences of his actions on earth and in that way his heaven will be a form of self-made hell.

The other possibility is that he will be reincarnated as a non-privileged lower class worker, minority, gay, diseased person that could have benefited from stem cell research or some other person that he negatively impacted while he was president.

I do not wish these things upon him, but I believe they are very possible scenarios. I would like to be standing at the gate when he is asked what he did to help those that had the least.


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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:38 AM
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1. junior will be harping and singing Hozanna in the highest like
he always does.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:56 AM
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8. nope
he'll be screaming and crying in the "lowest" ... :evilgrin:
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BlackHeart Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:40 AM
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2. I gotta chuckle at your idea of heaven for all...
a heaven that is a 'self made hell' isn't really anyones idea of heaven.
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:46 AM
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4. it will be wonderful for those that tried to live by the one simple
idea that Jesus preached: love everyone
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:40 AM
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3. If Karama is correct, he will come back as an E. Coli in the gut...
of a worm.
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wtbymark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:47 AM
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5. I don't think he's religious at all
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 06:50 AM by wtbymark
I think it's a ruse. religious issues is how he and PNAC (the Fellowship) have garnered support and polarized the country. divide and conquer, no one can beat that strategy except cancer. They are secular fascists - don't let them fool you - they certainly fooled the base-right, and georgie maybe being fooled himself - the puppet for the real fascists. Think about poor goergie in a corporate fascist world, he's bankrupt every business he's ever been involved with - he's no hawk, he's along for the ride. Blue pedigree georgie = clueless.

on edit: bad spelling
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:51 AM
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6. I would say he is not spiritual
He is definitely religious in the definition of right wing religion, which is a perverted form of Christianity. Republicans have done more to degrade religion in the past 10 years or so than any faction at any other point in history.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:16 AM
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11. I agree
Bush is just using religion for his own selfish greedy needs.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:54 AM
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7. Of course he believes in an afterlife and he's going to make that.........
....afterlife Bush/Rove/Cheney style too and be damned with the rest of us too.:puke:
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:56 AM
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9. He might believe in the after life...
but he certainly doesn't believe in the current one! :scared:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:58 AM
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10. I'd be more concerned that he was thinking of the rapture when he
said, "We'll all be dead."
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:23 AM
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12. He cannot believe in the afterlife
He lives only for this life - he does not help the families of Katrina for heaven sakes. He does not help the poor, the hungry, the sick - only a person who does not believe they will be accountable one day could possibly ignore the Katrina families in the way that he does.

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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:36 AM
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13. I don't believe he is a Christian at all....
That is just an invention for political purposes. I do believe in his deranged mind, he thinks he was chosen by God, but that is not Christianity. It is Insanity.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:42 AM
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14. I know "christians" like him: they believe God loves them because
they have such a good life: money, privilege, etc. usually without hard work. Since they grow up with a huge narcissistic sense of entitlement, they really believe they got all this for being so special and they are going to get heaven, too.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:04 AM
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15. The Great Dark
There is the conscience that approaches the ned one learned about in Sunday School. Forget that for people like Bush who never gave it credit until he needed it to make himself a dynasty prince.

But the disturbing awareness that people can stave off with some will power even if briefly scared by a stabbing chest pain or cloudy X-Ray has no religious comfort or context. There comes a time when you can imagine nothing, everything shredded, your whole life judged as simply ended. This is something greater than virtue or vice, something more than wasted potential or final judgment. No accomplishment, no possession reputation or soul value or any emotional or material context awaits. You face the possibility of nothingness with a fantastic dread multiplied by all your life's failings. You ability to contextualize yourself vanishes. What you thought you were at any time is a vanity.

But money buys a lot of night lights, comforters and muzak. Cheney with several heart attacks seemingly sloughs off such visceral feelings with no flight to compassion or faith whatsoever. You can read it in their faces at times, the tearing agony underneath the snide arrogance and confidence. Opposed to flawed but happier individuals, the worst of the savage RW, look like blasted souls, unhappy to the root but instinctive in denial. The comfort of seeming natural blindness. But it is choice and countless choices.

I think, I hope, this feeling of the final void, has occasionally touched them all and left its mark, but you can run from this so long that you can slip into being a vegetable, all hope of redemption of repentance forever lost. Facing the fear would be facing change. The more one turns from compassion and mercy the fiercer and more frightening the touch of the Void must be, but the more they will remove it from their conscious reflection. A pious, elder person will let this fear touch them into change or repentance. The hardened evil will turn this into an ultimate destroyer for whom it is a point of pride to ignore and escape. But in time there is no escape, though the consciousness and the possibility of change might be utterly dead and the void and the voided soul are one. And in memory of the future human race the are equally blighted, blotted out from any good potential they never exhibited and monuments of the terror of the darkness. The Kingdom of heaven they say they espouse is clearly not within their mental or living constructs but their knowledge of human evil is very practical and practiced. They are what they do and that all will simply end like all things whose faith is in death, in killing, in despair.

After that and only after that, namely death, do we enter the realm of religious belief, but there is no genuine hope there for the hardened pride and avoidance of history's traitors. All of that hope was used up long ago to twist it to avoid the very things religion calls for. The time is up because time was used exclusively to stave off the demands of the eternal. On way or another, God or atheism: damnation, just as the results of their crimes will always be the same and the same dark mortality. Nature is not remade by the imperious commands of mortal dictators and time brings all schemes, all fame, pleasure and profit and pride to a crashing oblivion.
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