Don't celebrate the low Bush poll numbers quite yet.

[rhett o rick]

In fact we should be alarmed that one-third of the registered voters will vote Republican no matter what.

I find it interesting and suspicious that Faux news is publishing accurate poll numbers which isn't like them. What is Karl up to?

Maybe the Neo-Con Cabal is ready to cut poor hapless Georgie loose. Blame everything on him and suggest we would be much better off with McCain.

That might explain why Georgie won't fire Rummy. His handlers are setting him up. They are telling him to stick it out with Rummy. They can both go down together.

Is John McCain the new Neo-Con Cabal "boy"??

Question: Who do you think runs the Neo-Con Cabal? I think it is Cheney number 1 with Bolton and wolfowitz (sp?)in the second spot. Of course Georgie and Rummy just get them coffee.

[bullimiami]

1. the fact that fox published the low poll numbers does make you wonder.

are the numbers even lower than that and are they still up to the same old tricks?
or
are they starting to hedge their bets a little seeing lower support for bushco and their lower ratings?

[dusty64]

7. I believe that

* is probably at about 27% right now and falling. The 33 is the best they can do to prop him up at this point w/ no hope of rebound on the horizon.

[0007]

15. If you put the 7.5% fudge factor on the numbers junior is

realistically at 26.5% percent and sinking fast. He will go down further.

[WCGreen]

10. They have too....

They do their poll with an outside firm...

The numbers for their sampling method are right....

[Poppyseedman]

2. Is John McCain the new Neo-Con Cabal "boy"??

No. McCain is despised by the rethug base.

The neo cons may be evil, but they aren't stupid.

If anything, they will work against McCain.

[rhett o rick]

5. Point taken. nm

[Douglas Carpenter]

22. actually most neoconservatives initially preferred McCain in 2000

I did not realize that before myself. But I found it mentioned usually just in passing in a number of articles. Here is just one:

ORIGINAL RESEARCH
Eric Alterman
April 22, 2005

Neoconning the Media
A Very Short History of Neoconservatism

snip:"and the fact that most Neocons bet wrong on the 2000 presidential election -- excitedly preferring John McCain to George W. Bush" --

link:

http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=2



http://www.dontattackiran.org

[onehandle]

3. They party bases don't shift much. But will they show up in November?

The numbers stay low. The GOP base stays home.

Answer: Rove runs everything. General Rove is now President Rove.

[unblock]

4. good point. lowering expectations, setting the stage for a "comeback"

:scared:

[pretzel4gore]

6. maybe a medical diagnosis coming...

the republicannots could save alot of their bacon (their right flank is already sizzling, their rumps are well done!) but if bushjesus came down with some fatal illness (brain 'cancer' would just fit the bill) then....why hope springs eternal to the born agin....
watch these guys. they're creeps and crackheads and deadly, though they smell like fine wino....

[badgerpup]

9. health issues..hmmm...

Cheney ain't got the healthiest ticker on the planet...plus he's got some other issues. Falling asleep in the middle of Hu's speech wasn't just a matter of bad manners; I think there was a very large amount of bad health involved.
Even if someone is wealthy out the wazoo, body parts only last for so long before they give out. Cheney may 'want to spend some time with his family' before his do so....
And I am hoping, oh I am SO hoping that somebody will wake up and realize that Bush is medically unfit to be in the driver's seat and take him away for a nice, long rest...so he'll be tanned, rested, and ready for his trial.
:evilgrin:

[pretzel4gore]

18. somehow i think the US has the panache.....

the country that bequeathed the world 'the sopranos' just isn't stupid, or boorish, or cowardly. There are alot of reasons why the gopigs rule the roost, but a good part of that is that the country runs itselfd pretty good thank you, and the gopigs ability to hide the consequences of what they're doing only works as long as the basic economy/nation health are in order-they're NOT anymore, and surely bush and the plague of locusts will be dealt with, soon :)

[rhett o rick]

14. Cheney will most likely step down for medical reasons. But i think

the NeoCons will let hapless Georgie twist in the wind. He will be blamed for all the NeoCons failures and they will continue as ever. You watch and see if the talking heads start to turn on him.

[pretzel4gore]

19. there's something here we don't know....

the point is, geeb (brother of john ellis bush, or 'jeb') might once have fronted the rightwing agenda, much like regan did, but since the 'war' in iraq and everything else, he must now be sailing into the right wind along with the left! To kill the golden goose, cuz that's what bush is doing, does not make sense! all this endtimes talk is bs....xians generally look out for their kids (even if it cost the poor kids everything!) more then anybody...is it possible they know that something like international chaos related to weather pattern upset, draught, hurricanes and floods, economic ruin etc, plus plagues of diseases ALL that require a well organised public service ie 'government'-is it possible that the pig has, for generations, overplayed his hand and is now desperate, cuz the 'left' wing has been effectively killed and the airplane will no longer fly? maybe there is some kind of global conspiracy on the part of the pig to set up a 'lifeboat ethic ruled future' with all powers firmly grasped by the pig (who will die knowing he caused the problem in the 1st place, lol)?
fukkem all, let god sortem out!

[MADem]

8. That one third may SAY they will vote GOP no matter what

...but if they are low on gas and they don't have any cash until payday, they might just stay home. If they're thinking about baking a cake, or want to mow the lawn after conning their boss into letting them go vote, they might just use the time off to do that instead rather than circle around looking for parking and standing in line.

I think the GOP's worst nightmare is the discouraged voter. They're all acting like they are the hapless relatives of a suspect accused of a grisly, heinous murder--they HAVE to support their family member, but amongst themselves, they know he's guilty, and wish he hadn't done the dirty deeds, or had the decency to kill himself to avoid a trial that will humiliate the family name.

[rhett o rick]

12. Sounds good but......

These people are just waiting to be lead. Don't be surprised when KKKarl comes up with some sneaky tricks to convince them that it is all Democrats fault. It doesn't take much. YOu can count on whomever we run in 2008 to be heavily slimed. And the gulliblies will go with the NeoCons once again. "you can fool them once, you can fool them twice, you just can't stop them from being fooled".

When a Republican speaks, i grab my wallet.

[MADem]

17. I hear what you are saying, but I get the sense that this is gradually

becoming the CHICKEN LITTLE misadministration. They keep screeching, "OOOOOOOH!!!! Gays!!!! QUEEEEEEEERS!!!!! The SKY is FALLING!!!!!" and "OOOOOOOH!!!!! ABORTION!!! Dead little BAY-BIES!! Trampy SLUTS!!!!! The SKY is FALLING!!!!" and "OOOOOOHHHH!!! They're a-taking the CHRIST out of CHRISTMAS!!!! TEN COMMANDMENTS!!!! PRAYER in SKOOOOOOOOOL!!!!! The SKY is FALLING!!!!"

People are looking in their WALLETS. Screw those "queers," screw those "trampy sluts," and there ain't gonna be no X-Mas this year, because we done spent all the money on gas-o-line!!!!!!

It's one thing to get them to follow along when they have a little economic autonomy to go with their puffed up pride and faux patriotism. It's quite a different thing when they are not just voting against their long term economic self-interest, but their IMMEDIATE interests as well. They are seriously, substantially, significantly feeling the pinch, and that pinch is so damn hard it isn't just leaving a bruise, it's bone-breaking.

At their core, they are greedy. And their wallets are thin, prices across the board are rising, wages are not keeping up, and there's only one bastard to blame. Whining about hot button issues ain't gonna fill the tank, and every time they go to get gas, they are reminded. Every little click, click, click of the meter at the pump is like a Democratic commercial!

[zann725]

11. No spin needed. His numbers have been in tail-spin much longer than noted

No one's "up" to anything. Rove's too pre-occupied with his own pendinding Indictment, etc. to be planning this.

Fact IS: Shrub's numbers are predictably in a free-fall. Even his 'loyalist base' at last see the Admin's 'sky is falling.'

[Sparkly]

13. I think Rummy and Cheney ARE the administration, basically.

Chimpy may get the coffee, but not Rummy.

[rhett o rick]

16. You may be right, but Rummy can't talk in a straight line. nm

[ladjf]

20. That would be a dangerous strategy. They can't "cut themselves

loose" from Bush. He is THEIR President. If he goes down, so do they.

[rhett o rick]

23. That may be how you and I would think, but their base is gullible.

I have already read one thread in here where someone said their relatives were disenchanted with Bush so they were looking to McCain. The NeoCon Cabal is good at selling snake oil and their base is gullible and will believe whatever they put forth.

[Douglas Carpenter]

21. This could be one contributing motive for military action. It worries me

too. I certainly hope I am wrong. I desperately hope I am wrong.

If they already want military action against Iran anyway; or perhaps somewhere else for that matter. But other factors make them think twice. But they realize that a properly timed military strike "could" (that is might) save their skin during the upcoming midterm elections--is it not wholly plausible that this could contribute to a decision to go ahead and strike?

The lapdog media will do its duty. They realize that much of the American public will in spite of misgiving feel its their patriotic duty to "support the troops". They realize that most but not all key Democrats will support the move at least initially--either because they agree with it or because they are afraid of being labeled "week on defense", "soft on terrorism", or being part of the "blame America first crowd".

I certainly hope I am wrong. but I would not put it past these people.
And as I always say NEVER, NEVER, NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF THE WAR PROPAGANDA MACHINE..

Here is just one example. Now forget what you know about the reality of the situation. Forget what facts you know. Imagine you are just Jane Doe or John Q. Public living in Anytown, USA:



http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/04/18.html#a7955

Fishing for a Pretext in Iran

by Juan Cole; March 18, 2006

link: http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=9929

snip:"Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei has given a fatwa or formal religious ruling against nuclear weapons, and President Ahmadinejad at his inauguration denounced such arms and committed Iran to remaining a nonnuclear weapons state. (Note: Grand Ayatollah Khamenei is the Chief of State and He ALONE has the final say in matters of the Iranian state and the final religious authority over the vast overwhelming majority of Iranian Shiites.)

snip:"Tehran denies having military labs aiming for a bomb, and in November of 2003 the IAEA formally announced that it could find no proof of such a weapons program."

snip:"it is often alleged that since Iran harbors the desire to “destroy” Israel, it must not be allowed to have the bomb. Ahmadinejad has gone blue in the face denouncing the immorality of any mass extermination of innocent civilians, but has been unable to get a hearing in the English-language press. Moreover, the presidency is a very weak post in Iran, and the president is not commander of the armed forces and has no control over nuclear policy"

snip: "in November of 2003 the IAEA formally announced that it could find no proof of such a weapons program. The U.S. reaction was a blustery incredulity, which is not actually an argument or proof in its own right, however good U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton is at bunching his eyebrows and glaring."
snip:"Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei has given a fatwa or formal religious ruling against nuclear weapons, and President Ahmadinejad at his inauguration denounced such arms




http://www.dontattackiran.org

[rhett o rick]

24. There is no limit to what they will do to retain power. nm