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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 01:44 PM
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Democrats DO have to hurry up and present their plans
Edited on Sun Apr-23-06 01:59 PM by brentspeak
The advice by some to sit back, remain silent, wait to see if Republican candidates implode, and then hope (and pray and cross your fingers) that voters will pull the lever for Democrats is precisely what has cost the the Democratic party in the past several years.

What was heard in nearly every Bush-voting state before Election Day, 2004? "Well, I'm not sure anymore about the Iraq War, and I don't know if I like Bush as much as I first did. But I guess I'll vote for him, anyway. I dunno."

If the Democratic party and John Kerry had spent more energy defining what John Kerry IS (a competent leader) as opposed to what he ISN'T, those "I dunno" voters would have been more motivated to vote for John Kerry.

If John Kerry hadn't listened to his idiot advisors' advice to not fire back at the Smearvets, then the Smearvets would not have been able to sucessfully plant seeds of doubt concerning Kerry's service in the mind of the more pliable voters.

A Law of Campaigning: Never wait to let the other guy define you; let YOU define you. A carefully-considered (not rushed or haphhazardly put-together) plan to help the nation out of its current mess, is needed by the Democratic party in order to win this November.

(With apologies to those who've posted the opposite opinion on other threads. I mean this as constructive criticism):

Treat all suggestions that "the Democrats shouldn't try to present a plan until the last moment" as the kind of losing advice Kerry advisors gave to John Kerry. Treat it as poison -- something to stay far away from!
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begley Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 01:47 PM
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1. Agreed. You have to tell everyone what YOU will do.
not just how bad the other guy is.
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playkate Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 01:48 PM
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2. I'm a 'pliable voter''
Edited on Sun Apr-23-06 01:50 PM by playkate
...and I voted for John Kerry. I dunno... I think the Democrats are doing a FINE job.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 01:51 PM
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3. Impeach indite imprison to start with
Edited on Sun Apr-23-06 01:53 PM by Vincardog
Remove every US troop from Iraq.

Then rescind the Tax cuts for Millionaires
Them Make sure every working person in the USA can get a job
that pays a LIVING WAGE
The universal(health care quality public education)
Then PUBLIC financing of elections.
Then the end of Corporate "Human rights"
Then respect for the environment.
Then a tariff of any good or service produced with slave wage labor.

But above all a return to and respect for the rule of law For EVERYONE.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 01:57 PM
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4. Excellent platform, Dog
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 02:00 PM
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5. Research Forum.
Edited on Sun Apr-23-06 02:04 PM by blm
You are pushing the media version of the swifties counter - DU Research Forum has the facts if you are interested. If you don't realize the media's role in downplaying Kerry's counter to swifties, then it will happen again to the next nominee.

This is a quick copy from Research Forum - correct links can be found in the thread there.

April 14, 2004 - The website for SBVT was registered under the name of Lewis Waterman, the information technology manager for Gannon International, a St. Louis company that has diversified interests, including in Vietnam. (1) (note - Gannon International does not appear to have any relationship to Jeff Gannon/Guckert, the fake reporter.)
May 3, 2004 - "Kerry campaign announced a major advertising push to introduce 'John Kerry's lifetime of service and strength to the American people.' Kerry's four month Vietnam experience figures prominently in the ads." (2)
May 4, 2004 - The Swift Liars, beginning their lies by calling themselves "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth", went public at a news conference organized by Merrie Spaeth at the National Press Club. (1)
May 4, 2004 - "The Kerry campaign held a press conference directly after the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" event...The campaign provided an information package which raised significant questions about 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.' " (3)
May 4, 2004 - Aug. 5, 2004 - No public activity by Swift Liars (?) Wikipedia entry (7) notes "When the press conference garnered little attention, the organization decided to produce television advertisements." (Ed. note - were there any public info or announcements, other than talk on blogs? Was there anything going on publicly? Did the campaign have reason to foresee what was coming - note that they must have, see the reactions to each ad).
Jul. 26, 2004 - Jul. 29, 2004 - Democratic National Convention held in Boston. John Kerry's military experience is highlighted.
Aug. 5, 2004 - The Swift Liars' first television ad began airing a one-minute television spot in three states. (7)
Aug. 5, 2004 - "the General Counsels to the DNC and the Kerry-Edwards 2004 campaign faxed a letter to station managers at the relevant stations stating that the ad is 'an inflammatory, outrageous lie" and requesting that they "act immediately to prevent broadcast of this advertisement and deny any future sale of time. " ' " (4)
Aug. 10, 2004 - Democracy 21, The Campaign Legal Center and The Center for Responsive Politics filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) charging that the Swift Liars were illegally raising and spending soft money on ads to influence the 2004 presidential elections. (4)
Aug. 17, 2004 - the campaign held a press conference at which Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.), Adm. Stansfield Turner (ret.), and several swift boat veterans rebutted the charges. (4)
Aug. 19, 2004 - the Kerry-Edwards campaign announced its own ad "Rassmann." (4)
Aug. 20, 2004 - The Swift Liars' second television ad began airing. This ad selectively excerpted Kerry's statements to the SFRC on 4/22/1971. (7)
Aug. 22, 2004 - the Kerry-Edwards campaign announced another ad "Issues" which addressed the Swift Boat group's attacks.
Aug. 25, 2004 - The Kerry-Edwards campaign ... dispatched former Sen. Max Cleland and Jim Rassmann, to Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas to deliver to the President a letter signed by Democratic Senators who are veterans. (The letter was not accepted.) (4)
Aug. 26, 2004 - The Swift Liars' third television ad began airing. This ad attacked Kerry's claim to have been in Cambodia in 1968. (7)
August 26, 2004 - Mary Beth Cahill sends letter to Ken Mehlman detailing the "Web of Connections" between the Swift Liars and the Bush Administration, and demanding that Bush denounce the smear campaign. (5)
August 26, 2004 - Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) submits FOIA request "with the White House asking it to detail its contacts with individuals connected to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (SBVT)." (6)
Aug. 27, 2004 - The DNC ran a full page ad in the Aug. 27, 2004 New York Times terming the Swift Boat campaign a smear. (4)
Aug. 31, 2004 - - The Swift Liars' fourth television ad began airing. This ad attacked Kerry's participation in the medal-throwing protest on 4/23/1971. (7)
References:
* (1) SourceWatch article on SBVT
* (2) (2004) Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman, Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman
* (3) (2004) Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth: Kerry Campaign Response
* (4) (Sept. 8, 2004) Eric M. Appleman (apparently) Some Responses to the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" Ad
* (5) August 26, 2004 letter from Mary Beth Cahill to Ken Mehlman
* (6) Press Release (US Newswire): CREW FOIAs White House Contacts with Swift Boat Veterans Group
* (7) Wikipedia entry, Swift Vets and POWs for Truth

MH1 - This topic is to create a timeline of the response of the K/E04 campaign to the Swift Liars' smears. There is an RW-encouraged myth that K/E04 "didn't respond." As the timeline, once completed, will show, that is not true. Effectiveness of the response may be debated - that is subjective - the purpose of this thread is to collect the facts of the events.


On Aug. 19, 2004 Kerry himself responded directly in a speech to the International Association of Firefighters' Convention in Boston. (from prepared remarks)

...And more than thirty years ago, I learned an important lesson—when you're under attack, the best thing to do is turn your boat into the attacker. That's what I intend to do today.

Over the last week or so, a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been attacking me. Of course, this group isn’t interested in the truth – and they're not telling the truth. They didn't even exist until I won the nomination for president.

But here's what you really need to know about them. They're funded by hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Republican contributor out of Texas. They're a front for the Bush campaign. And the fact that the President won't denounce what they’re up to tells you everything you need to know—he wants them to do his dirty work.

Thirty years ago, official Navy reports documented my service in Vietnam and awarded me the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts. Thirty years ago, this was the plain truth. It still is. And I still carry the shrapnel in my leg from a wound in Vietnam.

As firefighters you risk your lives everyday. You know what it’s like to see the truth in the moment. You're proud of what you’ve done—and so am I.
Of course, the President keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: "Bring it on."

I'm not going to let anyone question my commitment to defending America—then, now, or ever. And I'm not going to let anyone attack the sacrifice and courage of the men who saw battle with me.

And let me make this commitment today: their lies about my record will not stop me from fighting for jobs, health care, and our security – the issues that really matter to the American people...

Kerry defends war record
Aug. 19: John Kerry responds directly to attacks on his Vietnam military service Thursday, accusing President Bush of relying on front groups to challenge his war record.
http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=40a0d9b1-0386-41ef-bc ...
May 4, 2004. The Kerry campaign held a press conference directly after the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" event. (Above are, r-l, Wade Sanders, Del Sandusky and Drew Whitlow). Senior Advisor Michael Meehan said, "The Nixon White House attempted to do this to Kerry, and the Bush folks are following the same plan." "We're not going to let them make false claims about Kerry and go unanswered," Meehan said. He said his first instinct was to hold a press conference with an empty room where veterans could testify to their time spent in the military with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
The campaign provided an information package which raised significant questions about "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth." Spaeth Communications, which hosted the event, "is a Republican headed firm from Texas which has contributed to Bush's campaign and has very close ties to the Bush Administration." Lead organizer John O'Neill, a Republican from Texas, "was a pawn of the Nixon White House in 1971." Further some of the people now speaking against Kerry had praised him in their evaluation reports in Vietnam.
John Dibble, who served on a swift boat in 1970, after Kerry had left, was one of the veterans at the Kerry event. He said of Kerry's anti-war activities that at the time, "I didn't like what he was doing." In retrospect, however, Dibble said, "I probably should have been doing the same thing...probably more of us should have been doing that." He said that might have meant fewer names on the Vietnam Memorial and that Kerry's anti-war activities were "a very gutsy thing to do."
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/interestg/swift050404c ....
Kerry campaign's quick response to Swift boat vets
By Marie Horrigan
UPI Deputy Americas Editor
Washington, DC, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The campaign for Democratic Party presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts issued an exhaustively researched and extensively sourced 36-page refutation Thursday of allegations Kerry lied about events during his service in Vietnam, including how and why he received medals, and had fled the scene of a battle.
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040805-012143 ...
Kerry: Bush lets attack ads do 'dirty work'
McClellan points out criticism by anti-Bush group
Friday, August 20, 2004 Posted: 2:37 PM EDT (1837 GMT)
BOSTON, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry accused President Bush on Thursday of letting front groups "do his dirty work" in questioning his military service during the Vietnam War.
"The president keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that," Kerry told a firefighters' union conference in his hometown of Boston.
"Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: Bring it on."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/19/kerry.attacka ... /
http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/oldtricks.php
August 5, 2004
VIA FACSIMILE
Re: Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
Dear Station Manager:
We are counsel to the Democratic National Committee and John Kerry, respectively. It has been brought to our attention that a group calling itself "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" has bought time, or may seek to buy time, on your station to air an advertisement that attacks Senator Kerry. The advertisement contains statements by men who purport to have served on Senator Kerry's SWIFT Boat in Vietnam, and one statement by a man pretending to be the doctor who treated Senator Kerry for one of his injuries. In fact, not a single one of the men who pretend to have served with Senator Kerry was actually a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and the man pretending to be his doctor was not. The entire advertisement, therefore is an inflammatory, outrageous lie.
"Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" styles itself as a group of individuals who personally served with John Kerry in the United States Navy in the Vietnam War. In truth the group is a sham organization spearheaded by a Texas corporate media consultant. It has been financed largely with funds from a Houston homebuilder. See Slater, Dallas Morning News, July 23, 2004.
In this group's advertisement, twelve men appear to make statements about Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. Not a single one of these men served on either of Senator Kerry's two SWIFT Boats (PCF 44 & PCF94).
Further, the "doctor" who appears in the ad, Louis Letson, was not a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and was not the doctor who actually signed Senator Kerry's sick call sheet. In fact, another physician actually signed Senator Kerry's sick call sheet. Letson is not listed on any document as having treated Senator Kerry after the December 2, 1968 firefight. Moreover, according to news accounts, Letson did not record his "memories" of that incident until after Senator Kerry became a candidate for President in 2003. (National Review Online, May 4, 2004).
The statements made by the phony "crewmates" and "doctor" who appear in the advertisement are also totally, demonstrably and unequivocally false, and libelous. In parrticular, the advertisement charges that Senator Kerry "lied to get his Bronze Star." Just as falsely, it states that "he lied before the Senate." These are serious allegations of actual crimes -- specifically, of lying to the United States Government in the conduct of its official business. The events for which the Senator was awarded the Bronze Star have been documented repeatedly and in detail and are set out in the official citation signed by the Secretary of the Navy and the Commander of U.S. Forces in Vietnam. And yet these reckless charges of criminal conduct are offered without support or authentication, by fake "witnesses" speaking on behalf of a phony organization.
Your station is not obligated to accept this advertisement for broadcast nor is it required to account in any way for its decision to reject such an advertisement. Columbia Broadcasting System v. Democratic National Committee, 412 U.S. 94 (1973), You Can't Afford Dodd Committee, 81 FCC2d 579 (1980). The so-called "Swift Boat Veterans" organization is not a federal candidate or candidate committee. Repeated efforts by organizations that are not candidate committees to obtain a private right of access have been consistently rejected by the FCC. See e.g., National Conservative Political Action Committee, 89 FCC2d 626 (1982).
Thus, your station my freely refuse this advertisement. Because your station has this freedom, and because it is not a "use" of your facilities by a clearly identified candidate, your station is responsible for the false and libelous charges made by this sponsor.
Moreover, as a licensee, you have an overriding duty "to protect the public from false, misleading or deceptive advertising." Licensee Responsibility With Respect to the Broadcast of False, Misleading or Deceptive Advertising, 74 F.C.D.2d 623 (1961). Your station normally must take "reasonable steps" to satisfy itself "as to the reliability and reputation of every prospective advertiser." In re Complaint by Consumers Assocation of District of Columbia, 32 F.C.C.2d 400, 405 (1971).
Under these circumstances, your station may not responsibly air this advertisement. We request that your station act immmediately to prevent broadcasts of this advertisement and deny andy future sale of time. Knowing that the advertisement is false, and possessing the legal authority to refuse to run it, your station should exercise that authority in the public interest.
Please contact us promptly at either of the phone numbers below to advise us regarding the status of this advertisement.
Sincerely yours,
Marc Elias
Perkins Coie
607 14th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005
General Counsel
Kerry-Edwards 2004 Joseph Sandler
Sandler, Reiff & Young
50 E Street, S.E. #300
Washington, D.C. 20003
General Counsel
Democratic National Committee
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/ads04/dem080504ltrswift ...
From the transcript of the Aug. 5, 2004 White House Press Briefing with Scott McClellan:
Q Do you -- does the President repudiate this 527 ad that calls Kerry a liar on Vietnam?
MR. McCLELLAN: The President deplores all the unregulated soft money activity. We have been very clear in stating that, you know, we will not -- and we have not and we will not question Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. I think that this is another example of the problem with the unregulated soft money activity that is going on. The President thought he put an end -- or the President thought he got rid of this kind of unregulated soft money when he signed the bipartisan campaign finance reforms into law. And, you know, the President has been on the receiving end of more than $62 million in negative attacks from shadowy groups.
* * *
In the days after the release of the ad a host of major newspapers published editorials condemning it including the Arizona Republic ("Campaign Non-Starter," August 6), Los Angeles Times ("It's Not All Fair Game," August 6), Plain Dealer ("Ad Says Kerry Lied; Record Says Otherwise," August 8), St. Petersburg Times ("An Ugly Attack," August 9), Las Vegas Sun ("Ad's Smear Should Be Condemned," August 9), Oregonian ("Now It Gets Nasty," August 11), and Washington Post ("Swift Boat Smears," August 12).
* * *
On Aug. 10, 2004 Democracy 21, the Campaign Legal Center and the Center for Responsive Politics filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) charging that Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is illegally raising and spending soft money on ads to influence the 2004 presidential elections.
* * *
From the transcript of Bush's Aug. 12, 2004 appearance on CNN'S Larry King Live:
KING: In view of that, do you think that it's fair, for the record, John Kerry's service record, to be an issue at all? I know that Senator McCain...
G. BUSH: You know, I think it is an issue, because he views it as honorable service, and so do I. I mean...
KING: Oh, so it is. But, I mean, Senator McCain has asked to be condemned, the attack on his service. What do you say to that?
G. BUSH: Well, I say they ought to get rid of all those 527s, independent expenditures that have flooded the airwaves.
There have been millions of dollars spent up until this point in time. I signed a law that I thought would get rid of
those, and I called on the senator to -- let's just get anybody who feels like they got to run to not do so.
KING: Do you condemn the statements made about his...
G. BUSH: Well, I haven't seen the ad, but what I do condemn is these unregulated, soft-money expenditures by very wealthy people, and they've said some bad things about me. I guess they're saying bad things about him. And what I think we ought to do is not have them on the air. I think there ought to be full disclosure. The campaign funding law I signed I thought was going to get rid of that. But evidently the Federal Election Commission had a different view...
Kerry spokesman Chad Clanton's response to Bush's Aug. 12, 2004 appearance:
"Tonight President Bush called Kerry's service in Vietnam 'noble.' But in the same breath refused to heed Senator McCain's call to condemn the dirty work being done by the 'Swift Boat Vets for Bush.' Once again, the President side-stepped responsibility and refused to do the right thing. His credibility is running out as fast as his time in the White House."
* * *
On Aug. 17, 2004 the campaign held a press conference at which Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.), Adm. Stansfield Turner (ret.), and several swift boat veterans rebutted the charges.
* * *
DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe issued a statement on Aug. 18, 2004:
"By saying nothing at all George W. Bush is a complicit contributor to the slanderous, lie-filled attack ads that have been launched on John Kerry on Bush's behalf. Instead of stepping up and taking the high road, George Bush's response has been evasion, avoidance, everything but disavowal.
"Larry King asked George Bush to 'condemn' it. He refused. Reporters asked the President's Press Secretary if he'd 'repudiate' it. He ducked. They can try to blame it on the rules or whoever else they want, but the blame belongs squarely on the Republicans. They wrote it. They produced it. They placed it. They paid for it. And now it is time for George W. Bush to stand up and say, 'enough.'
"This is not debate, Mr. President, and this unfounded attack on Senator Kerry has crossed the line of decency. I call on you today to condemn this ad, the men who put their lies behind it, and the donors who paid for it. It's time."
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/ads04/swiftadresponse.h ...
Please use this information as a guideline for 2006 and 2008 campaigns. What the media edits out of our campaigns is CRUCIAL to public perception.
Even many Democrats are unaware of the real fight that occurred in 2004 and are buying wholesale the corporate media spin which conveniently protects the corporate media who failed to give honest coverage of Kerry's defense against the lies of the swift vets and their Republican handlers.
Not recognizing the extent of the corporate media's duplicity is a danger for all Democratic candidates in 2006 and 2008.
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Ready2Snap Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 02:22 PM
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6. We don't need to go into details right now
If I were running for office, I'd just point at the Republicans and say:
"See those guys - I'm going to do the opposite!"

The only thing they have going for them is the Rove attack machine,
and saying I'll do the opposite accomplishes two things:

1 - it gives the attack machine nothing to attack, except a lack of details -
to which we repeat "I'll do the opposite."

2 - it tells pissed-off, fed-up voters all they need to know,
and it's packaged in that bite-sized,
easy to understand wrapper that we have, up til now,
been unable to create to sell our ideas.

They'll be plenty of time come August and September,
when people start to pay attention to fill in the details,
for now just relax and enjoy them twisting helplessly in the wind.

Besides, the further indictments and trials comming this summer
will only make their lives more miserable, and their re-elections more improbable
as the media keeps their criminality front and center,(it is what current MSM does best)
allowing us to calmly and rationally lay out our vision for the future.

So, relax. Enjoy the moment.
Prepare for the campaigns, and don't fall for the whining and baiting.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 05:49 PM
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7. Wrong. Incorrect.
If the Democrats actually were to persist in being as vague as possible about their plans and ideas, then the Republican criticism of "the Democrats have no ideas; all they can do is attack us" really WILL have some merit to it.

Then the voters won't even need GOP spamming of propaganda to sucessfully define the Democrats as "idea-less"; voters be able to figure it out on their own with their eyes and ears.

No thanks. I prefer winning -- not sticking with time-proven losing strategies.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 06:04 PM
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11. Polish it up and let's go with that!
All we need to do to make serious gains this November is to pin as much of the Republican agenda and every Republican in the race to Commander Bunnypants.

Right now, the Republicans are so distracted--even the think tanks like the Heritage Foundation--with twisting their logic to make every mistake CB makes that they can't form any strategy at all except distancing themselves from GWB.

We need to seize the opportunity and put the RS even more on the defensive.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 05:53 PM
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8. DNC agenda
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AngelFactor Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 05:56 PM
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9. might want to
get on with it on several fronts anyway

B B B

American Justice? Sure, so why is an attorney getting away with tampering with court documents even though he “inadvertently” filed three pages of emails detailing what was done with the court.

See for yourself: http://www.maximumadvocacy.com/Court_records.html , look on pages 25-27 of document 64.

Unbelievable. Priceless. Hilarious, if it wasn’t so sad but true.

How’s your faith in the justice system?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 06:03 PM
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10. "The advice by some to sit back, remain silent,.."
Who is saying that ??
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 06:07 PM
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12. There are good plans and bad plans...
There are some "plans" that Democrats can use and the Repubs dare not attack:

For example, a balanced budget plan, which focuses people's attention on the huge deficits of the Repubs.
And a minimum wage plan, which focuses attention on the loss of jobs and the loss of wages and the Republican lack of action.
And a more sane and rational foreign policy plan, which focuses attention on the calamity in Iraq.
And a compassionate and rational immigration plan, which focuses attention on the lack of any immigration policy from the Repubs...
And stem cell research, which focuses attention on the right-wing influence within the Republican Party.
And an energy independence plan, which scares Repubs to death, with the present price of gasoline.
And trust, openness, and integrity in government and in our representatives which would focus on the Republican lies and corruption, and which the Repubs would not wish to talk about.

There are other issues which need to be presented once we regain the House and/or Senate, such as healthcare, investigations of the corruption, exit plans for the war, tax plans etc. All these types of issues are crying for action but those are the ones the Repubs want the Democrats to use, so they can further divide the nation. Democrats would be politically wise not to address those accept from a personal viewpoint. For example, individual Democrats may say they support immediate withdrawal from Iraq, but that is not the Party position yet. That leaves them the option of taking a stand without giving the Republicans the "cut and run" issue that they so crave...etc...
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 06:17 PM
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14. We'll win bunches of swing voters now if we concentrate on the points
you make above.

We can finesse things later; the important thing is to GET THOSE POINTS TALKED ABOUT. The Republicans have won on putting "silly" issues on the front burner, but the voter is hit by every one of those issues above NOW--and you are correct, THESE ISSUE BELONG TO US.

Every single thing that is wrong with this admin can be tied to the points you've made above.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 06:25 PM
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15. A-ha!
A sensible person! :)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 06:38 PM
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17. Why, thank you! nt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 06:10 PM
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13. Why comply with the allegations that the Dems have no plan?
The media and GOP are poised to trash whatever the Dems put forward.

I trust Dean to take full advantage of careful timing, and he doesn't need pressure from the media, the GOP, or anyone left-of-center chomping at the bit. Dean will unfold his master plan in due course.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 06:29 PM
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16. I agree
recommended.
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