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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:31 PM
Original message
GOP is telling Republican voters to ask for Democratic ballot in Ohio-10
Edited on Mon Apr-24-06 06:33 PM by IndianaGreen
GOP is telling Republican voters to ask for Democratic ballot

Republicans for Ferris Launched
A Note from the New Chair of Republicans for Ferris, Robert L. Brown

"As a long time Republican, I am asking you to vote for Barbara Anne Ferris, Democrat for Congress on Tuesday, May 2, 2006. When you go to the polls on May 2, 2006, our Primary Election Day, you will automatically be given a Republican Ballot - refuse it and ask for a Democrat Ballot.

Barbara Anne's name will only appear on the Democratic Ballot, so please ask for a Democratic Ballot and vote for her.

Barbara Anne Ferris brings experienced leadership with a clear vision for the future of our area. Barbara Anne’s accomplishments on Capitol Hill and in over 100 countries around the world fostering economic development are what we need. She is our "Gateway to the World" and has a proven track record when it comes to creating jobs and building economies. Please join me, as a long time Republican, and vote for Barbara Anne Ferris on Tuesday, May 2, 2006."

–Robert L. Brown, Esquire, Former Director, US Immigration and Naturalization Service

http://www.ferrisforcongress.com/detail.asp?ID=105

This is Kucinich's district and he is facing a stealth candidate in the Democratic primary, Barbara Anne Ferris. Ferris has been endorsed by the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:34 PM
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1. Thanks for the heads up, IG - This is HUGE!!! They plan to take Kucinich
out before November.

This way they can control the PERCEPTION game in Ohio and the rest of the country when the rigged machine votes are counted.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #1
43. This will backfire bigtime on the GOP
They simply cannot bring themselves to vote for anything with a 'D' on it.
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 10:32 AM
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55. Wrong - That's how Cynthia McKinney was defeated in GA in 2002 (n/t)
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #55
58. Right, thanks, for reminding me. Couldn't remember the name.
Isn't this illegal?
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #58
68. Not illegal in GA
It just means that if you get a Democratic ballot, you can't vote for any Republican candidates in that election or primary, and vice versa. So you could vote for one party's candidate(s) in the primary and the other in the General election. One way to combat it would be to make sure the other party's candidate has viable opposition, so there's less incentive for your opponents to vote in your party's primary.

This varies from state to state. I believe some states let you vote for your candidate of choice in each race, no matter what party they're in. What a concept.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:48 PM
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2. Send this to Kucinich and Ohio Dem Party
Might also want to give Sherrod Brown a heads up to watch for this crap.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:49 PM
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4. The DNC needs to MOVE ON THIS - RIGHT AWAY!!!!!
.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Agreed! No doubt Rove will use the same strategy
in other races as well.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #4
75. Remember the Hackett vs. Brown dust-up here?
This is interesting....I suspect most, if not all, would approve that the Party takes sides in this fight, but many here decried the Party efforts to support Brown. I guess I'd say that the Party has a vested interest in protecting its brand identity. But we have the same situation in Lieberman vs. Lamont. It can get a might complicated.....
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:49 PM
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3. But what if they're registered as Republicans?
Can they still do this? I don't really understand the registration rules....
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. If they ask for a dem ballot they become dems and willnot be able to vote
the GOP primary.
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:50 PM
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6. The Greedy Oil Party is even more desperate than ever.
Are there even enough Republicans in Kucinich's district to pull something like this off? I doubt if enough of them will even show up to make a difference.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. If you can control the perception that DK can lose you can rig machines
to make sure he does.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #10
21. BLM HAS IT: All they have to do is make it sound like there is reason why
and then STEAL THE ELECTION and all the analysts will focus on the GOP cross-overs and use that to explain why Kucinich lost and no one will ever know that there weren't enough cross overs to cause the race to tip.

OHIO GOP WILL STEAL THIS UNLESS THEY ARE STOPPED -- because Kucinich can beat his Republican opponent in November (unless they steal that one...).

OHIO IS HELL right now...

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #10
36. YEP YEP YEP! and yes, I am yelling on this one. It deserves it. Actually,
it deserves it's own thread. I am not kidding.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #10
65. exactly. Like this time they are going to play fair. Look for
an October surprise which will be their faux reason for a "shift" in sentiment.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:51 PM
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7. and forgo the chance to vote on Blackwell vs. Petro & Dewine vs. whoever
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. That will be saved for the General Election
Once they've got rid of the Dem's front runner, they'll be able to vote for those you cited. :grr:
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #11
23. Kuchinic is Cuyahoga right? Cuyahoga is not Caucasian enough
for their plan to work.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. Dennis's seat, my district, is about 8% African American....
6% Hispanic....

2-3% other....

and the rest really really white....
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 07:32 AM
Response to Reply #26
41. Then they must be predominantly D whites or a an R would already have the
seat. I can't see an endorsement on a D's website being widely seen or known among the majority of Rs who will not want to give up casting that R ballot in the primary and be listed as registered ds after requesting a D ballot. The horror.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #41
44. They can vote D in the primary
and still vote for Voinovich's staffer in the general election. It would work very well for them, Ferris wouldn't stand a chance running against Voinovich and his aide.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #44
69. I'm saying their are not enough Rs and their ability to inform the Rs
to do this to unseat an incumbent.

Of course they can vote R in the general but the horror and distate Rs express for D makes me think they won't be able to stomach changing their party to D by requesting a D ballot.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #69
72. Voinovich's aide will be the GOP candidate - he will win the general
OH-10 is full of Reagan Democrats, a lot of retired union workers. Dennis has taken care of them, but they'll abandon Ferris for Voinovich's staffer, who will be the GOP candidate.

Voinovich still has a lot of crossover appeal to these voters because of his long history in Cleveland, his eastern European background, former mayor of Cleveland, etc.

I hope the R's don't cross over for the primary, but I'm not betting the farm they won't.

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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #41
52. Cuyahoga is the heart ...
... of blue Ohio
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #41
70. Kucinich took his seat from an incumbent Republican
He was one of the only seats to go the other way during the Gringrich "contract on america" retaking of the House by the Republicans during Clinton's first term. His seat has always been in a "Reagan Republican" district.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:51 PM
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8. whoah....I didn't get this on the first run through...
:kick: for attention
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:54 PM
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12. I don't understand how Republicans can vote in a Democratic
Primary. Here we can only vote in a Republican Primary if there is no Democratic candidate.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Here, in Illinois, we mark whether we want Dem or Rep when
we sign in to receive the ballot. If there are initiatives, there is also the option of "neither" where a person can vote only for the initiative but no candidates running in the primary.

Even though I'm registered as a Democrat, all I would have to do to vote on Republican candidates is check the box. No one checks to say "You registered as a Democrat".

Don't know if Ohio is the same. :shrug:
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 05:08 AM
Response to Reply #14
39. Then why register with a party? The Democratic Primary
should be for the Democrats, and the Republican Primary for the Republicans.

I can only vote in the Republican Primary if the race is decided in the primary.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. It's called an "Open Primary" and has been used before to
take out a strong Dem and replace them with a soft dem.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 07:03 AM
Response to Reply #17
40. It's also used in New Hampshire to ensure the Dem pres candidate...
A slight variation on this scheme is also routinely used in
the New Hampshire presidential primary to ensure the Democratic
presidential candidate is a loser.

In NH, if you are registered "undeclared", you make take a ballot
from the party of your choosing*. In 2004, there was a *HUGE* number
of "undeclared"** who took a Democratic ballot.

Tesha


*You momentarily become enrolled in the party whose ballot you
took, but you can stop on your way out of the polling place
and switch right back to being "undeclared", ready to monkey-
wrench the next race you like.

**The "undeclared" in NH are mostly white Christian obviously-
Republican guys who can't admit to actually being a Republican
lest their wives stop sleeping with them.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #40
54. Except Kerry won New Hampshire and won with Independents there.
Your theory could be feasible if Kerry subsequently lost to Bush by a wide margin in NH, however, as it turned out, Kerry filpped the long red state of NH to BLUE.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #54
63. Kerry lost by a large margin nationwide. :-(
The New Hampshire Republicans did their job, even if they lost
their state to a neighboring "favorite son".

Tesha
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #63
71. Then why did BushInc have to rig all those machines nationwide?
If Kerry was SO BAD and Republicans knew it, then why did they have to launch a campaign like swifties, how is it that Kerry won every debate DECISIVELY, and why would the media find it necessary to not cover Kerry's speeches? If Kerry was so bad then why would Repubs have to expend so much energy on their vote-stealing and controlling the corporate media?

If Kerry was as bad as you claim, then the Republicans would have WANTED the media to show coverage of Kerry's speeches, wouldn't they? And they certainly wouldn't have worried about suppressing the vote and rigging machines.
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:54 PM
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13. Please Help us Here In Ohio!!!!
I can't take anymore!!!!!!!
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. I don't know what to do for you. I'm just sick!
I keep thinking it can't get any worse in Ohio, and it does...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Get this message out to every blog and forum -
it's all we can do at this point is SOUND THE ALARM to all Dems.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 07:14 PM
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18. Ferris pulled this last time in the General election.
I had more faith in the Plain Dealer, not to be lap dogs for repugs.That time the Plain Dealer endorsed Kucinich.
I see Martin Sheen is going to Cleveland to campaign for DK.. Need to get Sean Penn and Ed Asner to go too.Lets raise some dollars for Dennis.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. Last time BushInc wasn't in big trouble with possible impeachment
case forming.

Plus, if they are to stop the percepton that GOP party is in trouble, this would be the way to do it so rigged machines can do the rest.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #18
53. The PD is GOP leaning ...
... endorsed Bush in 2000 and in 2004 could not bring itself to endorse anyone.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 07:43 PM
Response to Original message
20. Kick!
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 07:46 PM
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22. He's a flip-flopper on choice
He was anti-choice, but then he seemed to change. I have no use for flip-flopper.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. Is that Gore in your avatar? Didn't he change his stand on abortion years
ago?
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. Yes he did
and on gun issues too. When he ran for the nomination in '88 he ran as a conservative democrat who was hawkish on defense issues.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #27
85. When he lost his mayorship
because he could not be bribed by the banks wanting to privitize Cleveland's electric utility, he moved to LA and used his journalism degree in COmmunications. He worked in LA media and was a side kick of columnist Robert Scheer.
Scheer, a devout liberal showed up to all Kucinich events, when DK ran for Prez. . Working with Scheer. I just do not believe it possible Kucinich a right wing Democrat. Scheer would abandon a Dino Dem faster than a Lieberman.
I just know your labels are totally off base. a right wing Democrat. Redicilious.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #22
64. Dk has explained this so many times.
I heard him explain in person. It was impressive. For christ's sake he was born and raised a strict Catholic. He came from a family of like 6 children, and the family was very poor. DK lived in chaotic conditions because his father was blue collar and had job problems. None the less, the respected his Catholic religion.
His conversion came from his sister's badgering him about how large families cope with poverty and women forced into extreme conditions. He had an epiphany. Based on practicality and his families hassling him incesstantly. Personally, he still opposes abortion but in his respect for privacy, would never impose his view on others concerning this personal value.
While Kerry was hedging saying he would not ask his Supreme Court nominess their views on abortion.
DK a man of intense morals and convictions- said. Yes, I would ask a judges views on abortion and never appoint a judge who is against choice. We all need listen to one's stories and not be so dogmatic , when we do not know what we are talking about.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #22
78. OMG! A flip-flopper! Good reason to vote against a solid Democrat.
Oh, please.
:eyes:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 08:21 PM
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25. She is not a stealth candidate.....
She is a good democrat.....

She is just running for office....

The PD likes to go against the grain at least once every election....

She isn't going to win...

Dennis has wide support across my district....

Great at serving the people....

They don't forget....

Nor do they listen to the PD...

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. I disagree, Chris
I've found her to be very dishonest. Its hard to understand any Dem bragging about their GOP connections.

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karendc Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. W C Green is correct
Barbara is a great person and a good candidate. She is running, I believe, to remind DK that he needs to pay attention to the home fires as well as the national fires.

Dennis is a great Representative and he does a lot of good--he is the conscience of the House often. But he is not interested in the DNC or the DCCC or the status quo of the party. Barbara is more of a Dem. loyalist, but not a DLC centrist.

Sometimes, there actually are several good choices, and people have to decide where they want their votes to go.

That said, who knows what Republicans are up to? I generally fall on the side of the conspiracy theorists, but I am not sure that is the case here.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. You're wrong
Good Democrats don't run dishonest campaigns against fellow Dems who are well respected incumbents.

Good Democrats also don't encourage GOP voters to switch their affiliation to Dem so they can vote against a fellow Dem in a primary.

Barbara Ferris is not a good Democrat, she's a self-serving con artist. Her only goal is to get Dennis Kucinich out of office, no matter what kind of dirty tricks it takes.




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karendc Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. Well, I happen to know her
And I base my assessment on first-hand information. I elieve she is running to make him a better representative. And she may succeed in that.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. What kind of Orwellian reasoning is that?
Edited on Mon Apr-24-06 10:24 PM by IndianaGreen
I (b)elieve she is running to make him a better representative.

Oh, wow! I guess we could say that Kerry ran against Bush to make him a better President. How silly does that sound?

Let's take a look at what Ferris has to say about the war, NSA surveillance, Bush's lies about WMD, censure, impeachment, etc:

National Security

I will work hard to bring Homeland Security resources to the 10th District to ensure that those civil servants who are working on front line and first response jobs of protecting our citizens have the equipment, resources and technology to do their jobs.

http://www.ferrisforcongress.com/issues.asp


Crickets are louder than Ferris when it comes to criticizing Bush. There isn't one word of criticism from Ferris about the GOP. Not one word! Even a DINO like Lieberman has many solid Democratic positions on reproductive rights and LGBT rights. It appears that those rights don't even appear in Ferris's radar screen.

When it comes to what she will do if she is elected to Congress, Ferris has this flaccid reply:

recognize that there are many critical issues facing not only the citizens of the 10th District, but people across our country. I know that we must prioritize these issues if we are going to come to workable solutions. Together, we can solve some of these problems immediately after I am elected to Congress, while others will take some time.

http://www.ferrisforcongress.com/issues.asp


Translation: Once I am elected, don't call me, I'll call you!
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karendc Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. Not Orwellian...
Washingtonian, though. Happens all the time. A candidate I supported just dropped out of a race, after making it clear she felt she had contributed to the betterment of the winner. Sends a clear message, you know.

I do not necessarily agree with Ferris' positions, but she has the right to run.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 07:56 AM
Response to Reply #35
47. And we have the right
to call her out for her dishonest and deceitful campaign. Those of you inside the Beltway don't have to deal with the real world of the folks in the 10th District. I'm shocked you would call yourself a Democrat.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #34
45. Her talking points are all GOP
She never criticizes them, but chooses to criticize Dennis for not being able to pass legislation in a GOP controlled Congress.

Doesn't sound too Democratic to me.:shrug:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #33
42. So you think its ok
for Dems to consort with the GOP to unseat well qualified Dem Congressmen like Dennis Kucinich? Do you think she really believes she would win that seat if she won the primary then had to run against George Voinovich's aide? Do you think she's a good Democrat for trying to help the GOP take over the 10th District Congressional seat?

I guess you're not a Democrat. My apologies, but I am and I happen to think its a good idea for Dems to keep their Congressional seats and regain a majority in the House. I'm sorry you feel a GOP majority is better.

My knowledge of her self-serving style is also based on personal knowledge and I found her to be dishonest and conniving.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #33
49. Who was the Member of Congress she worked for?
It's in her resume that she worked for a member of Congress. Was it state or federal? How long? Who was it?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #49
50. No idea
She doesn't say, does she?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #49
56. Her bio doesn't name the member of Congress she worked for 4 years
I find the omission rather peculiar. Did she work for a Republican and she now finds it inconvenient to allude to it in her bio?
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #56
60. For all it says, her "work" might have consisted of manning
the phone bank on election day. Hell, I worked for a U.S. Senator from Massachussets a few years back!

It's still not clear whether it was a state or federal position either.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:24 PM
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81. Mary Rose Oakar
Gloria Ferris: As a follow up to your answer to that question, you say you worked on Capital Hill and were a legislative aid to a member of Congress. Who was that, and what were your duties when you worked there?

Barbara Ferris: It was in the late '70s, and I had been in Washington, D.C. working at the World Bank, and Mary Rose Oakar was elected to office, and so they were looking for people from the District, so I went over. I left the World Bank, as a Loan Assistant, and went over to Mary Rose Oakar's office as a Legislative Assistant, and my responsibilities were to follow legislation in education, foreign affairs, agriculture, women's issues. I wrote testimony. I did a lot of research, helped her on a number of issues in a Congressional office. There is always a lot of work to do, District Liaisons, so it was a lot of that kind of work, sometimes representing her in events when she couldn't go. So the work of a Legislative Assistant is all-encompassing, and you are responsible for certain issue areas.


http://www.meetthebloggers.net/barbara-ferris-transcript/


Biographical Information

OAKAR, Mary Rose, a Representative from Ohio; born in Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio, March 5, 1940; graduated from Lourdes Academy, Cleveland, Ohio, 1958; B.A., Ursuline College, Cleveland, Ohio, 1962; attended Columbia University, New York, N.Y., 1963; M.A., John Carroll University, Cleveland, Ohio, 1966; attended Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts, London, England, 1964; attended Westham Adult College, Warwickshire, England, 1968; faculty member, Cuyahoga Community College, Cuyahoga, Ohio, 1968-1975; member, Cleveland, Ohio, city council, 1973-1976; Democratic State central committee, 1973-1975; alternate delegate, Democratic National Convention, 1976; elected as a Democrat to the Ninety-fifth and to the seven succeeding Congresses (January 3, 1977-January 3, 1993); unsuccessful candidate for reelection to the One Hundred Third Congress in 1992; business executive; consultant; member of the Ohio state house of representatives, 2000-2002.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000001/


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 1995


FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN MARY ROSE OAKAR AND FORMER OAKAR CAMPAIGN
AIDE ARE INDICTED; SECOND FORMER OAKAR CAMPAIGN AIDE IS CHARGED, AGREES TO PLEAD GUILTY


WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Department of Justice announced
today that a former Member of the U.S. House of Representatives,
Mary Rose Oakar, of Cleveland, Ohio, has been charged with seven
federal felonies in an indictment returned today in U.S. District
Court for the District of Columbia.

The same indictment also charges a former aide in Oakar's
1992 Congressional reelection campaign and nephew of Oakar,
Joseph DeMio, with one federal felony. In addition, Justice
Department announced that another former aide in Oakar's 1992
campaign and nephew of Oakar, Ignatius J. DeMio, has been charged
with one federal misdemeanor in an information filed today in the
U.S. Court for the District of Columbia, and that Ignatius J.
DeMio has agreed to plead guilty to the charge.
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/Pre_96/February95/102.txt.html
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. Mary Rose Oakar is a good Dem
she was the victim of the Newt "smear campaign" during the Gingrich revolution. She later sued the Plain Dealer and won for some of the things they wrote about her.

MRO would NOT approve of what Ms. Ferris is doing. MRO is a long time friend of Kucinich's.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. None of this makes any sense
Ferris should just run as a Repub

:crazy:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #82
84. but she was indicted by Janet Reno's Justice Department
Edited on Tue Apr-25-06 04:44 PM by IndianaGreen
What was the outcome of the case?

On edit:

House Bank Scandal, 1991-1992

Worse, Reps. Albert Bustamante (D-Texas), Carl Christopher Perkins (D-Ky.) and Mary Rose Oakar (D-Ohio) and Del. Walter Fauntroy (D-D.C.) were convicted on House bank-related charges.

http://www.politicalresources.com/members_misbehaving.htm

But then, there is life after Congress and scandal:

Tom Ridge's October Surprise
by William Fisher


NEW YORK -- The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) is trying once again to discover who was rounded up by the Department of Homeland Security in the weeks preceding the November 2004 presidential election ”to assure the Arab-American and Muslim communities that they are not being impacted on a disproportionate basis.”

<snip>

In a letter to Homeland Security (DHS), ADC President Mary Rose Oakar said, ”National origin is of great relevance in determining whether the government is discharging its law enforcement duties uniformly and neutrally, indifferent to national origin, color, race, or religious affiliation.”

”Congress did not intend to create an exemption that swallows the FOIA (freedom of information act) law,” she said. ”But that is precisely what DHS has done in this case.”

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0316-01.htm
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #33
67. Can't she find an unopposed Republican & make him a better rep?
We don't need that kind of infighting, what we do need is a Dem candidate in every race.

If a candidate runs unopposed then his/her chance of winning is close to uh 100%.
(Over stating the obvious) When I last checked, in Virginia we have a few Republican Congressional candidates who are up for a vote of confidence instead of being up for election. They have no opponent. That boils down to "Do you think the incumbent can do a better job than a cold empty chair?" Most people prefer to have a warm body represent them, even if they don't agree with him.

Most Dems don't run unopposed, but a lot of Pubs do.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #31
66. She ran an independent campaign against DK last time
After she could not get the Democratic nomination. Splintering Dem votes off of the primary victor in not being a good party person. See if she accepts any Repug money. that is the real sign of her loyalty. I am very suspicious.
ps We made our annual contribution to DK today. Thanks for this thread getting a little fire under our bellies for DK, before it is too late.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #29
51. Republicans use people even when they're unaware. No doubt they're doing
it here. Nader looked the other way while the GOPs used him shamelessly. She may have good intentions on wanting to get DK to focus, but that doesn't preclude her from being used by the wrong people.

The Plain Dealer has never been kind to Democrats and definitely not to Kucinich. In the past they endorsed him only because they knew his constituents couldn't be swayed against him. Unfortunately, the PD's Repub owner takes the final word on endorsements over the editorial board and columnists.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 10:54 AM
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59. Honestly
She must be a moron. This is a perfect example of why the Democratic party has had so many problems the last few years. She is going to challenge one of the best Dems in the house? It made sense when I thought she was a republican plant, but based on what you're saying, she must be an idiot. I hope the local party punishes her severely.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 08:55 PM
Response to Original message
30. Thank you IG
I hope genuine Democrats in this district are aware of this.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:26 PM
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32. I think this is important!
Here in california there is similar money and support going to a democratic candidate for secretary of state. Because they need desparately to keep our better dmocratic candidates from winning.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 11:29 PM
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37. Wow. Then they won't vote in the GOP primaries.
they must really want this chick... or Kooch outta there.

:shrug:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 07:55 AM
Response to Reply #37
46. They must be pretty sure
that Voinovich's aide will win the GOP primary. Ferris won't stand a chance against him in the general election. Cleveland are Dems have a knack for voting for Voino (and probably his surrogate) even though he's GOP and has been a miserable failure for the city.
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gordontron Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 12:07 AM
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38. we need to send this to the Dems now!
nice find btw
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #38
48. OYD - Ohio Young Dems
much more organized than the state party.

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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 10:51 AM
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57. That is so shitty. They've successfully done this before. Anti-war
incumbant was taken down by a fake Demo challenger.

Republican = no shame, no honor.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 11:10 AM
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61. I have to admit I did the same thing
In 2000, I registered as a republican, so I could vote against Fearless Leader in the Primary, that way, I had the satisfaction of voting against him twice in one Year. I knew McCain wouldn't win, but it made me feel better.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #61
73. That strategy has been around for a long time.
It shouldn't surprise anyone and it's important to note - as you have bravely come forward and admitted - both parties do it.

This is probably the least egregious of the Republican dirty tricks. My personal favorite to date is the dishonest ads about immigration broadcast in Spanish. But now that Karl is available to focus full time on dirty tricks for the midterm elections (until he is indicted, of course, but then again that probably will be a plus in their demented circle), we can expect more elaborate, particularly cheesy schemes.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. It was an individual decision, not one made in concert with anyone,
let along a party affiliation. I did it because George W. Bush is an asshole and for no other reason.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 11:21 AM
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62. All of the Democratic Party and others must know this is being done
This is how the Republicans work. They will do this in less visible races, but they picked Kucinich because he has national recognition and the Republicans want to try to "associate" all Dem candidates with his perceived far left wackiness. They are also trying to get the Democratic Party to spend a great deal of time and money, and national media time, to be sure, defending Kucinich. It's that define your opponents as far left liberals who want to legalize sex with animals ploy. But K has to deal with this in his district and shut down the national interest story by framing the issue to the media now and first.
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dinspirer Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 02:50 PM
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76. Kick
:kick:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 02:53 PM
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77. How you can help - get on local NE Ohio forums & blogs
The Plain Dealer politics forum is now banning some posters who are pointing out the dirty tricks of Ferris.
They watch this forum very closely, and its important to let them know we're onto their role in this campaign.

If you can, post there

http://www.cleveland.com/forums/open/

Some of the (?) progressive political blogs in the Cleveland area (actually most of the posters are libertarians). We should bring it to their attention.

http://www.brewedfreshdaily.com/

http://www.psychobillydem.blogspot.com/

http://buckeyestateblog.com/



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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #77
79. You got some big time Freepers posting there!
And then you got the Ferris worship brigade with gems such as Dennis Kamper, who after insulting the Ferris detractors, makes this boast:

Dennis J Kampe - name in phonebook vs gutless posters


Macho, macho man! I wanna be a macho man!

:rofl:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. Hired GOP keyboard warriors
Most of them post there 7 days a week. They take turns in shifts, have been doing it for years. They recite the usual talking points every day and are experts at burying Dem posts.

A few of us NE Ohio Dems are very familiar with them.

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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:50 PM
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86. Dennis gets his dander up he has no limits
he goes with principals. He will not relent or be silenced with his request Bush hand over documents in the Plame scandal.
the repugs want his hide. He will be their number one target for this reason. Ferris need be ashamed of herself.
my question. anyone know how this district went in the last Kerry/Bush election. that will have a great bearing on how great Ferris' chances are.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #86
87. Cuyahoga county 2004 results
went to Kerry by 2 to 1. Kucinich got 60% in his district and Ferris running as an Independent, pulled 6%


Badnarik 1,885 Bush 221,600 Cobb 13 Duncan 0 Harris 9 Kerry 448,503 Parker 2 Peroutka 1,752 Schriner 12 Zych 1



DISTRICT NUMBER: 10
COUNTY
Dennis J. Kucinich (D) 60%
Edward F. Herman (R) 34%
Barbara Anne Ferris (I) 6%
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #87
90. 34 % is a large pool of fools to pull from
Herman's votes are enough to do some chicanery..Why I oppose open primarys. Below someone mentions Rove will speak in Cleveland for the repugs. Maybe by then he will be indicted. Doubt that will effect Ferris. wonder what Bush pulled in the 10th district. probably 2-1 like the rest of the county
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 06:05 PM
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88. Another example of the criminal GOP Culture of Corruption.
NGU.


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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 08:34 PM
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89. KARL ROVE has been speaking in Ohio lately. Ferris may be under
his wing.

This scenario has Karl Rove written all over it. Kucinich has been specifically targeted by Rove, and Ferris is an integral part of Rove's plan.

Rove will address county GOP
Keynote speaker at $100-a-plate dinner here May 4.
By Bernard Harris
Lancaster New Era
Published: Apr 24, 2006 2:17 PM EST
snip---
Rove, 55, who manages the White House Office of Political Affairs, has been on the road in recent weeks speaking in GOP strongholds in Ohio, Arkansas and West Virginia.

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/22210
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