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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:38 AM
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Difference between Dems/Repugs When it Comes to No Bin Laden Capture...
Now, you have to give this to the Rethuglicans - if Al Gore had been president during 9/11 and re-elected, we would have been hearing relentless attacks on the Dems every day for not catching Bin Laden. Every night there would have been some show with a counter showing how many days Bin Laden had escaped capture. We all know this.

Sadly, I think the reason the Dems have refused to do this is that they are afraid Bin Laden would be captured and the Rethugs would capitalize on it.

Frankly, I think the Dems should have had the courage to press Bush on Bin Laden's continued escape and even if he is captured, the Dems could hit that it has taken almost five years and then hammer how many ADDITIONAL Americans have died with Bin Laden still free.

And this one tiny tactical difference between Dems and Rethugs - they are not as afraid to be bold and we remain too pragmatic.
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smoochpooch Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:41 AM
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1. Hell, once 9/11 became politicized
all Rethugs did was talk about how Clinton didn't catch Bin Laben when he was in office. What will they say if Jr. doesn't get him either?
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:47 AM
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3. Its been 4 1/2 years since 9/11
And they havent mentioned a word of it. What on earth would make anyone think they would bring it up ever again?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:48 AM
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4. 9/11 was politicized starting on the morning of 9/11.
And it's never stopped.
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:46 AM
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2. "the Rethugs would capitalize on it."
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 12:48 AM by LiberalVoice
To insinuate dems dont want Osama captured is not only ridiculous, its stupid too. On what are you basing this information? In fact its much more likely that they aren't talking about it for the same reasons they havent been talking about anything else. Because they are pussies.
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LiberalUprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:51 AM
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5. Complicit is a more accurate term
Tough to get off the gravy train
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:15 AM
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11. Missed my point...
I'm not saying that Dems don't want to see Bin Laden captured - but what I am insinuating is that for the last four years the Dems have not been hammering the Bushies for not catching Bin Laden because they are afraid if he is caught, the Bushies will try to capitalize on his capture like we have never seen before.

Let's be honest here - POLITICALLY - what was one of the biggest hot potatoes for Kerry in 04? It was the fear of how to handle a bin Laden capture prior to the Nov elections.

Does this clarification make more sense? Or is it "stupid" too? (Frankly, I'd like parts of replies like yours reserved for people other than Du'ers).
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:23 AM
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12. You're right...
I shouldn't have called your post stupid. For that I apologise. I do see what you're saying and that would fall under the category of dems being pussies. Dems have been extremely reticent about speaking out against the * admin on every issue for fear of political backlash.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 02:19 AM
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15. Hi Res copy of image....
LV,

You wouldn't happen to know where a hi res copy of your Dean image could be found do you?

I love that photo. Wish I would have kept it from when it was Rolling Stone magazine..
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 02:42 AM
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17. All I know about it is...
It was in the New Yorker. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Heres the link to the article it was in http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/politics/national/features/9452/
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:55 AM
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6. once they catch him it will be like the Unabomber or Saddam...
near instant deflation from boogeyman to yesterday's news.

If they caught bin Laden, they'd be lucky to get one news cycle and a few points bump out of it.
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:04 AM
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8. Wow are you serious?
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 01:05 AM by LiberalVoice
You honestly believe if they caught the guy who was supposedly responsible for 9/11 it wouldn't be a major news story? Please tell me you're joking. The repugs would be talking about til '08.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:13 AM
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10. would be a story, wouldn't have legs. How much mileage did they get
from catching Saddam?

Also, I think enough people are catching on to the Bushies use of propaganda to the point that they would wonder if they had known where he was all along and waited until they needed the boost in the polls most or if it was even him.
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:28 AM
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13. Excuse me...
but thats not even close to the same thing. We're talking about the man who most americans believe was responsible for 9/11. The story would be on the front page every newspaper in the world. Our news media would be talking about it nonstop for at least a week. *'s poll numbers would go up aswell as repug standing across the country.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:37 AM
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14. bigger than Saddam, but not big enough to save GOP unless they do it
the day before the election--maybe a week at most.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:59 AM
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7. We knew that Bush let Bin Ladden escape from the caves.
Hell Senator Kerry said so durring the debates. Sometimes I feel like I am the only one who paid attention to those.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:12 AM
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9. Scarborough was talking about bush not getting bin laden tonight
(i didn't watch the show but that was his teaser to it! i thought: "wow...")
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 02:41 AM
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16. Dems have been saying this......for quite some time.....
you are right..... Democrats have to keep saying that Osama must be captured, and that Bush said he would, and he didn't.

I know Wes Clark never fails to mention it.

Also know that Catching Osama is part of the United Democratic National Security Plan, which they announced earlier this month. This is the plan that the Dems came out with right prior to John Kerry coming out with his own plan....

Kerry made a big splash for himself...but in so doing, stepped on the United message coming from the congressional Dems....as they prepare for the 2006 elections.

See page 2 of the official plan....last paragraph.
http://globalization.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=globalization&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fdemocrats.senate.gov%2Fpdfs%2FRealSecurity_web.pdf

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/02/wesley_clark_reports_for_duty/
Wesley Clark reports for duty
By Nina J. Easton, Globe Staff | April 2, 2006

.......the national security plank in which the party pledges to ''eliminate" Osama Bin Laden
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 03:13 AM
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18. Here is how Dems can fight this
1. Mention loudly how Bush said Bin Laden is not a top priority, and how Osama escaped in Tora Bora because Bush outsourced the job to the warlords.

2. Pre-emptively, talk of how if Osama were to be captured, it would not make us as safe as we would have been had he been caught in 2001, because Al Qaida is now several times bigger and the Muslim world hates us even more because of Iraq. Al Qaida in '06, unlike the post-9/11 Al Qaida, no longer needs Osama to function properly.
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