Does anyone give a shit someone made a recording of the anthem en espanol?

[Stinky The Clown]

I don't

[RebelOne]

1. I really don't care. I won't be buying it anyway.

[ClassWarrior]

2. Nope.

NGU.

[babylonsister]

3. Nope. nt

[DODI]

4. I don't.

[Master Mahon]

5. Me Neither

In fact, if I were a true 'Capitalist', I'd be burning copies of it in every popular language right now and selling them on Ebay!

[mrcheerful]

6. What about the german venisons of the song? Or the japanese? Or the

chinese? Or any other country that has the anthem done in their language? Leave it to racists to ignore the fact and go with hate.

[Left_Winger]

7. No complaints here

[DuaneBidoux]

8. No

[BOSSHOG]

9. I think it may be a good idea

that those who speak Spanish but don't speak English learn it in their language. Other than that, no skin off my nose. But its always great to see the flagwavers get their panties in a wad over not much. If the immigration issue was such a great concern to them, then they should be out in the fields picking lettuce.

[zeemike]

10. No

[Burma Jones]

11. Not unless it makes those folks all uppity

:sarcasm:

[indie_voter]

12. The word (Colbert Report) the other night on this was great!

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_colbert_report/index.jhtml

[robinlynne]

13. nope.

[AtomicKitten]

14. nope

[AndyTiedye]

15. Patriotism Is Where You Find It

Going to the effort of translating the National Anthem into another language seems pretty patriotic and unifying to me.

The asshole-in-chief throws it back in their faces to appeal to his bigot base.

[tandot]

16. Yes

Republican Xenophobes are really p*ssed about it.

I don't mind. Spanish is a beautiful language.

[guidod]

83. HELL NO!

[johncoby2]

17. We should be honored to have it translated

[sandnsea]

Not translated, completely altered

By the light of the dawn, do you see arising,

what we proudly hailed at twilight's last fall?

Its stars, its stripes

yesterday streamed

above fierce combat

a gleaming emblem of victory

and the struggle toward liberty.

Throughout the night, they proclaimed:

"We will defend it!"

Tell me! Does its starry beauty still wave

above the land of the free,

the sacred flag?

Its stars, its stripes,

liberty, we are the same.

We are brothers in our anthem.

In fierce combat, a gleaming emblem of victory

and the struggle toward liberty.

My people fight on.

The time has come to break the chains.

Throughout the night they proclaimed, "We will defend it!"

Tell me! Does its starry beauty still wave

above the land of the free,

the sacred flag?

[laheina]

38. Words cannot be translated without being altered somewhat.

That's just the nature of the beast. And with songs and poems, it gets even more difficult, because there are rhyme, rhythm, and meter to consider.

[sandnsea]

41. I understand that

But someone who didn't know our history would think that song had something to do with the revolution, which it doesn't. It's also much more oriented towards the individual warrior, rather than to the spirit of the country as a whole, joining together to celebrate that our flag still flies over our land, our home.

It doesn't matter to me that it's been translated, it's just a really bad translation.

[laheina]

46. A bad translation

cannot be told by its translation. Its merits can only be judged in the second language by a person familiar with both languages, the literary form(s) used, and the proper methodology.

But everybody has an opinion. :shrug:

[sandnsea]

54. And somebody missed

Perhaps because they didn't understand the historic context of the song or perhaps because they don't understand the deeper meaning of the song, because the translation missed the mark. "land of the free, home of the brave" means a lot more to people than just fighting in a war. It sounds like it was translated by someone who views America as a solely imperialistic country, which certainly wouldn't have been true in 1814 and isn't true of most Americans today.

[seabeyond]

59. thank you sandnsea. i thought just sang in spanish, another board

said it was changed. i came on here to find out and have been looking for an hour. even asked and no one answered. and here i find your post. thank you for the translation. yes it has been changed. still i dont care. but it does change the discussion. appreciate it.

[sandnsea]

61. Certainly not worth the uproar

And I totally disagree with the notion that we can't have our anthem in other languages, that's just stupid. It's a wonderful thing, as long as the essence of the song comes through.

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[CTyankee]

84. You know, I have a neighbor who flies the flag of Ireland

in front of her house. I don'treally know her, so I don'tknowif she is a native Irish or just and Americanof Irish descent.

However, I am of Scottish and Welsh descent and I never gave a thought about flying either flag at my house. So what's the deal?

[struggle4progress]

79. Have you ever seen Mark Twain's retranslation into English of the ..

.. French translation of his "Jumping Frog" story?

[Steve55]

18. It doesn't offend me

New interpretations of the Anthem is nothing new. It usually causes a stir at first then people realize it's no big deal, eventually it will be accepted.

[oneighty]

19. I wish

I were fluent in two languages as are my Hispanic friends.

The SSB is a poor song in any language IMHO.

180

[niyad]

20. I must be missing something. is this actually a PROBLEM to someone?

[babylonsister]

23. It's going to be possibly; the blivet was asked this question at

a press conference today.

[Adelante]

48. Well, it's stupid politics, for sure

This sort of dumb move produces ill will at a time the indocumentados need to sustain the good will of the American public. I agree with Sandnsea, whoever's coming up with this crap has something else going on.

[sandnsea]

21. Yes I do

I don't like that someone took it upon themselves to change the words. I understand the need to change some for the sake of clarity, but this was ridiculous. I don't care what language it's sung in, I've heard a Native American version that is very cool. But completely altering the words?? Nope, not right at all.

I really wonder what people behind all of this are thinking, or whether they're really even on the side of immigrants at all. Kind of like wondering how ANSWER always ends up getting protest permits when nobody else can.

[Stinky The Clown]

22. Damn ..... don't get me started on that ANSWER thing ......

..... and you make a good point ..... about who actually started thhis ... makes me wonder ......

[sandnsea]

24. I wouldn't have thought a thing, except

for yesterday when Jorge Rodriguez decided to make Full Amnesty a front and center issue. Now this altered anthem. Not really the way to win friends and influence people, ya know.

[Stinky The Clown]

25. I hear ya .... its picking at scabs .......

.... which I wrote about here .... and which gives credence to your postulation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2595688

[treestar]

71. Not sure that's important. Repubs have been insulting people

for years and now they have the WH and both houses of Congress.

Worrying about stepping on right wing toes is thankless; they'll never care when the show is on the other foot.

[guidod]

87. I think the National Anthem sucks a a song.

[Ecumenist]

26. Nope. It's another distraction for the country to try to get

it eyes off of the ball now that it seems that the their boy rove is in serious jeopardy ... Another tempest in a teacup. They are trying to gin up a suitable distraction and it's getting pretty piss pood pathetic.

[liberalpragmatist]

27. It's not like it's been declared the official version or anything

So I don't see what the problem is.

Now, I might have some issues if Congress were to authorize a Spanish version, which would seem to me to be PC-run-amok. Otherwise I don't see a problem.

[Jack Rabbit]

28. I don't care, either

But why should we kid ourselves? You know and I know that the demagogues, directed by Rove and Mehlman, are going to run against hispanic immigrants since they can't run on their own record and the Democrats will be reluctant to appear soft on social justice.

They give a shit only in order to throw the shit.

[MethuenProgressive]

29. O Canada! Serving one nation since 1968...

O Canada!

Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada!
Terre de nos aïeux,
Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux!

Car ton bras sait porter l'épée,
Il sait porter la croix!

Ton histoire est une épopée
Des plus brillants exploits.

Et ta valeur, de foi trempée,
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.

Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.
----

[Minnesota Libra]

30. Doesn't matter what 89,000 people think, what does matter is.........

....what the majority of the country thinks. We won't know that answer until November - that is unless Diebold pulls another fast one. Either way I think some people are in for a surprise.

[Guaranteed]

31. Yeah, the TV tells me it's a huge controversy. Didn't you realize?

Or, did the wedge miss you? :P

[driver8]

32. Who cares? There are 'Murkans that speak Spanish, aren't there?

Or is that a liberal democrat myth?

[Kahuna]

33. I'm flattered. I think it's flattering for people of other nationalities

to sing our anthem in any language. But that's just me. :shrug:

[nevergiveup]

34. I was the only one at work today

that was not upset and this includes my more liberal friends. Driving home this evening I was wondering if maybe I had become leftist to the extent of losing all contact with reality.

[Ringo84]

35. No

I mean, what's the big deal? Just because someone translates the national anthem into Spanish doesn't mean that Spanish-speaking people are going to overrun the English-speaking people in this country.

Why are right-wingers so riled up about this?
Ringo

[Cobalt Violet]

37. It's not a translation. It's rewriten.

[laheina]

39. As I posted above:

While English and Spanish share some latin and a very little bit of greek, they are very different. They have different gramme, and what's up with all the verb conjugation?! But when you try to translate the words from a song or poem, that makes it even harder. These literary forms have rhyme, rhythm, and meter.

Translation from one language to another often means difference. Try changing something in English to Spanish and then back to English. That's just how translation works.

[Cobalt Violet]

47. Oh, that explains why the June remix will say:

"These kids have no parents, cause all of these mean laws ... let's not start a war with all these hard workers, they can't help where they were born."

[Iris]

36. Nope.

[laheina]

40. Nope.

It is inclusionary. The action says that this is *our (inclusive)* anthem, not our (exclusive, not your) anthem.

[Vidar]

42. no

[ProudDad]

43. I prefer this version

Written by an old friend of mine...

http://www.fiskemusic.com/music.html#earthcd

There's a link to play the mp3 version of Earth Anthem at Stephen's site.


Piss on all flags!

[Robbie Michaels]

44. No

[NMMNG]

45. I don't care how many languages they record it in

As long as they don't have dogs barking it. :puke:

[RedG1]

49. better a recording of the anthem en espanol...

than the Bushi-ites wiping their asses on the Constitution and Bill of Rights

[seabeyond]

50. nope n/t

[hippiechick]

51. I don't ... but really, these folks just can't catch a break ....

... first, they're skewered for being here trying to 'put food on their families'; then they're skewered if they hoist their own flag instead of America's; then they're skewered yet again if someone records the Star Spangled Banner in Spanish.

It's the early 1900's all over again, only this time instead of scapegoating the Irish (the Italians, and the Chinese) ... now it's Mexicans. WTF is wrong with this country ?

[Robbie Michaels]

52. I Don't Think It's Offensive

The most offensive version I've ever witnessed was Roseanne Barr's version, complete with fake "tobacco spit" and crotch grab at the end. :grr:

[guinivere]

53. No, I don't care. I don't understand why anyone would be offended. nt

[zulchzulu]

55. It's a NON-ISSUE...a distraction...who cares...

I'd like to hear a version in Hopi.

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[terrya]

57. Hell, no

God, what a stupid "controversy"

It's a song. And not a particularly good one, IMO.

[zulchzulu]

58. By singing the words, it's an affirmation of liking America (proof here)

www.awolcowboy.com/mp3/SSB-espanol.mp3

Whether it's in Spanish, Polish, Yiddidh, Togi, Russian or even Martian, if the lyrics are sung unfettered with the intentional lyrical meaning of the song, it's perfectly fine...and actually more about respect from an international standpoint.

[Quantess]

60. no.

:boring: Anyone who is upset by this needs to get a life, and find something truly worth getting upset over.

How 'bout gas prices?

[Sparkly]

62. Not to take this off topic...

(far be it from me to hijack a thread by "Stinky the Clown"), but it's an awful song, as a song, anyway.

First of all, it's derived from a drinking song, "To Anacreon in Heaven." (Do the Vice Police know that?)

Second, that melody is remarkably difficult to sing. If you wanted a tune suited for the masses raising their voices in patriotic singing, this one is worthy of the "circular file."

Third, the lyrics are about prevailing during the war of 1812 -- fine. Great Britain is hardly our enemy today, but I get the sentiment.

It would be so much better to have a melody easily-sung by most people, with lyrics espousing the best principles of our country.

We're stuck with this as our symbolic "anthem," but imho it's crappy as an anthem. My sense of patriotism is felt in ways FAR more meaningful than singing this song. It's just not that sacred. (Even the American flag, as a symbol, means more to me.) So translating it isn't an issue for me one way or the other.

[judy from nj]

63. Nope

n/t

[Acryliccalico]

64. I couldn't care less

:dem:

[lwcon]

65. Digby on this tempest in a teapot

On the great Hullabaloo blog, Digby says:

A reader writes in to ask:

Please tell us again why the Spanish translation of the National Anthem is making wingnut heads explode when they all but genuflect at the waving of the Confederate Rebel flag?

Tell me please, which of these was meant to turn hearts to America, and which is meant to tear the country apart?

I don't know the answer to that. Apparently honoring the confederate flag is ok because it's a tribute to the heritage and culture of some Americans' forebears.

But that's the only culture and heritage to which Americans are allowed to pay such tribute. The one that seceded from the United States and created its own country.

Those whose forebears didn't secede from the US to form their own country but rather came to America to become Americans should not be allowed to honor their culture in any way shape or form. That would be un-American.

I can't explain this.

___

Hey, the liberal light is always on at the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy. Please stop by and say "hi!"

[Sparkly]

66. Perfect contrast!!

Thanks for sharing it here! :hi:

[Maestro]

90. I like the juxtaposition.

Of course just using that word would make freeps' heads explode. :rofl:

[Julius Civitatus]

98. Brilliant

Excellent contrast. They are a bunch of hypocrites.

[rurallib]

67. That song SUCKS in any language! Even W's phony Texan!

[SeaBob]

68. A wha'

somebody said wha? where? oh yea Thats right I care :~

[APPLE314]

69. Si

Creo es caca.

[GRLMGC]

104. Umm

if you're going to use Spanish, at least use it correctly.

[Hobo]

72. Nope

I couldn't care any less.

-Hobo

[alarimer]

73. No

It's just a song.

We changed the words of "God Save the King" to "My Country tis of Thee". Oh but it wasn't in Spanish. Can have those foreigners singing it in their foreign language can we???

[brindis_desala]

74. I find it doubly amusing coming from folks living in Los Angeles,

El Paso and San Marino. Jeez for once would one of these European immigrant yahoos read a history book?

[devinsgram]

75. NOT AT ALL!

[killerbush]

76. Not really

I don't really care if the song is sung in Spanish,French,Japanese,Farsi or Klingonese. Frankly,the Star Spangled Banner is not much of s song and it needs to replaced. I can;t tell you how many times over the years the words of the song have been mangled,and that doesn't include Roseanne Barr's off key on purpose rendition of the song back in 1989.I would offer for its replacement either the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" or Kate Smith's version of "God Bless America".If it wasn't already the Canadian national anthem,I'd also go for "O Canada".:hi:

[demswin06]

77. Sorry the resposne I gave was to be under my name...

demswin06,not killerbush. Killerbush is evil and he has full control of this computer and makes me do weird things,like comment under his name.:( :evilgrin: :mad: :puke: :wtf:

[SeaBob]

78. demswin

very good. I like it

[rucky]

80. The NM state song is "Asi Es Nuevo Mexico"

they have an English version, too, but the rhymes are kinda forced.

[bread_and_roses]

81. No. (n/t)

[jerry611]

82. I do have a problem with it

I know I may be in the minority here, but I just find it highly disrespectful to go into another country and then change that nation's national anthem.

[guidod]

85. What's disrespectdful about it?

[jerry611]

88. Just based on how I was brought up I guess

My parents basically taught me that when you are in someone elses house, you don't play with their things, you don't insult them, you don't move things around, etc.. You follow their rules and their customs.
If I were to go to Russia, France, or Italy... I would never expect them to change anything becuase of me. If I didn't like their language or culture, I just wouldn't live there.

And to change the wording really bothers me. And if the traslation doesn't sound right...then guess what, you cant do it. When I listen to music from other countries, I don't translate it to English. I listen to that music in the language it was created in. Because that is where you get the true meaning of the music.

I mean I like latin music. But I don't expect it to be in English if it wasn't made to be. I will listen to it in spanish.

[guidod]

89. You seem to be very bothered by

the words of a song. I don't know if you've noticed it or not but, this is not a house it's a FREE Country.

[jerry611]

91. You misunderstand

Translation creates a false meaning. Look at what happened when the Bible was translated. It created more interpretations than I can count. That's why Muslims encourage the reading of the Koran in it's original arabic. They don't want its meaning to be lost in translation.

You create a dozen translations of the Star-Spangled Banner and, in my opinion, you will have 12 different songs.

The Star-Spangled Banner (the poem) was written by Francis Scott Key while the British were bombing Fort McHenry in the War of 1812. The language he wrote that poem in was English. So the English version is the only true version of the song.

For example, this spanish version includes the phrase "we are brothers, we are equal." Which is nice. I don't disagree with that. But it isn't in the original version. So it was changed and that can't be argued.

[guidod]

92. No I don't misunderstand but I respect your feelings.

My personal feelings are I don't believe in National pledges or National Anthems. The song Happy Birthday was composed by Mildred J. Hill on June 27, 1859. It was published by he sister Patty Smith Hill in 1893. Happy Birthday has been brutalized by country western singers and rock and roll singers for many years and nobody seems to care.

[noamnety]

106. you CAN'T do it?

"if the traslation doesn't sound right...then guess what, you cant do it."

Is there a rule that awkward translations are illegal now? How does that fit in with the whole "free speech" thing?

Wow.

[Julius Civitatus]

97. "Change it"? - Who's forcing you to sing it in Spanish?

They are not changing the English anthem with a Spanish version. Why are you buying this sensationalistic bullcrap? It's just a translation! It's not official, it's not policy, it's not a big f-cking deal.

And no, they are not "changing the nation's anthem." That's just "black helicopter" conspiracy crap.

[Montauk6]

86. No, and the ones claiming to give one are just looking for another

distraction.

[Warren DeMontague]

93. Personally, I like what Jimi Hendrix did with it.

All other artistic re-interpretations fall short after that.

[Robeson]

94. I think we have bigger fish to fry....

...so no, I don't care.

[WillyT]

95. I Still Like Jimi Hendrix's The Best !!!

They liked it too.

:shrug:

[judaspriestess]

96. as a Hispanic - Nope , it s a non issue

I don't view it as an insult either. The song is paying this country respect, thats cool, I wouldn't care if it was sung in French, Chinese or any other language. and I say Hispanic cause obviously its geared towards latinos.

[TriMetFan]

99. Nope not here.

Hell I can not even sing it in English with out butchering it up. I sound like when some one runs their nails down a chalkboard.:blush: :rofl: :rofl:

[Azathoth]

100. Nope

I think the anthem should be sung in its original language at formal affairs, but that's it. If someone wants to record it in Spanish, I'd take that as a compliment.

[liberaliraqvet26]

101. they changed the words, its dumb

leave it alone. id rather the natl anthem be america the beautiful though.

[mwb970]

102. It doesn't matter to me.

Boy, the wingnuts are foaming though, aren't they?

[trogdor]

103. Not me.

Gwiaździsty Sztandar

O, powiedz, czy widzisz,
w świetle wczesnego świtu
to, co tak dumnie pozdrawialiśmy
w ostatnim migotaniu zmierzchu?
Czyje pasy i błyszczące gwiazdy
podczas strasznej walki
ponad wałami obronnymi obserwowaliśmy
jak wspaniale powiewały?
A czerwień oślepiających rakiet,
bomby wybuchające w powietrzu
dały dowód przez noc,
że nasza flaga wciąż była.
Refren:
O, powiedz czy gwiaździsta
flaga jeszcze powiewa
nad krajem wolnych
i ojczyzną odważnych?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

105. I give a shit that people give a shit about it.

I find it damn disgusting that people would betray the principles of this country in a hypocritical attempt to defend it's anthem.

It's like people who want to ban flag burning.