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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 12:05 PM
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A little method in Ahmadinejad's "madness"? Political opportunism...
Has anyone played poker here? You know, I used to work for a world-class poker champion in a capacity that had nothing to do with poker. Anyway, he was a perceptive fellow in all things and once said "'Go Fish' is a card game you play with people. Poker is a people game you play with cards." Therein lies the truth, in my opinion: Ahmadinejad is playing international politics- which makes poker look like a kid's game. There are bluffs, feints, playing the fool, playing the pride-filled idiot. Ahmadinejad is no fool. Ahmadinejad is making these statements for a reason.

In my opinion, that reasons are:

A) There has never been a better time to challenge the United States. Debt-riddled, almost paralyzed from the internal political battles within it, stretched militarily thin. There is also something else- Ahmadinejad has noticed that of the postures taken by nations toward the United States, especially developing nuclear nations, North Korea has gotten away with its ambitions, scott-free. He has see the intense political hyperbole given by Kim Il-Jung and he has watched the United States stay the hell away from that country. The United States is toothless economically and militarily, aside from nuclear weapons, is spread so thin as to be in a position of weakness.

B) There has never been a better time to challenge Israel. Their economy is faring only a little better than that of the United States. A number of successive conservative governments and responses to terror attacks have shifted the overall political climate of Israel much farther to the right than I believe its founders would have ever been comfortable with. The Israeli poverty class now exists with bread lines for the poor. This in itself is a horrible thing for most Israelis to contemplate- Israel was created to be a safe haven for Jews everywhere but especially a place where they might be allowed to prosper. However, it always comes down to guns or butter and through necessity or choice they have selected the militarization of their country.

Now let's look at who the US makes war against: Make no doubt about it- the U.S. does not fight against foes it does not think it can win against. To it's people, it says one thing, but it is not the reality. Look at the numerous invasions of foreign countries, starting at least as far back as the 1980's: U.S. Invasion of Grenada, US sends troops to seize Panama's Manuel Noriega, U.S. invades Iraq a la Gulf War I, U.S. invades Iraq a la Gulf War II. I may have forgotten some and certainly the small paramilitary organizations and corrupt nations we have propped up are almost countless.

But do you notice something in the scale of conflicts?

The U.S., simply put, is an empire in its twilight unable to address any of it's publicly-declared enemies: Famously, Russia, China, North Korea. Nor does it wish to- most of these countries are major holders of the public debt. Yes, we have been selling our debt to our enemies. We owe money to them. This puts us in a very weak position. Outside of militarily conquering those nations there is no way to remove that debt. No way.


So the U.S. contents itself with an invasion here, an invasion there when the smaller members of the formerly-U.S. "world" get out of line in a manner of speaking.

But Iran is no Iraq. Not geographically, not politically, not militarily. They are a much stronger, more cohesive nation than the tin-pot dictatorial regime that Saddam ran. They also have some very big friends. The same friends we owe lots of money to: Russia, China. If we attack them the most immediate repercussion will likely not be militaristic but economic.

What flies faster than an ICBM? A stock trade, a currency sale. A nuclear weapon may be able to only destroy one city, or depopulate a region. However economic leverage can take the meat off of every table in a nation. That is power.


And that is the sort of power that Iran and it's supporters bring to the table. In a conventional military conflict, the Iranians would beat us with the current state of our armed forces. Read that last line again.

But Ahmadinejad is the PM of Iran and so all things he thinks, all things he does are meant to increase Iran's share of a rapidly-dwindling global pie of influence and wealth. His machinations make Israel nervous, and with good (but maybe not obvious) reasons. Economically, as the dollar goes so does the Israeli shekel. The Israelis know this and are worried that their own economy, tied so closely to the United States', is also in jeopardy. I believe very few sensible Israelis believe that as soon as Iran gets the atom bomb that it will use it on Israel. It's preposterous, suicidal and if Iran had such a death-wish they could have exercised it a decade ago and been utterly destroyed by Israel as they would be today.

Also, something to note: The Iranians are switching their oil sales from Dollars to Euros. When you're allegedly so hell-bent on destroying the world, bringing about the armageddon, or whatever, it is an interesting footnote to observe that Iran is making special preparations to be as wealthy as possible, as long as possible. These moves do not smack so much of an immediate desire to bring about World War III but to do something even worse: Iran's hyperbolic posturing will likely result in U.S. hesitation, allowing Iran to both acquire nuclear technologies (making it a world-class political player) and to sink another skewer into both the US and Israeli economies.


Iran knows that if they can ramp up this escalation of words the United States will be preoccupied with a military solution to what is really an economic blade- aimed squarely at the solar plexus of both the United States' and Israel's economies. And sure enough they are. To the Israelis and the Americans, if Iran is allowed to switch to Euros for sale of oil, it could mean the death-knell for their own flagging economies. And the Iranian oil bourse (exchange) is set to go live next week. Iraq, just before our latest invasion of that country made an attempt to switch from PetroDollars to PetroEuros. After the invasion we changed it back to Dollars.

Not only, as Frank Herbert says in the book Dune, must the spice flow but it must be sold in our currency. Sale of oil in US dollars is one of the main reasons why the dollar is a worldwide currency.

If the United States, or Israel, or both, attack Iran, especially after our behavior in Iraq, there will be a worldwide cry against us both. Will those nations condemn us to the sword? Hardly. They can destroy or at least cripple further both of our nations' economies simply by selling the Dollars they own in exchange for the Euro.

In short, they've got us by the balls. And they are squeezing. If we attack them, we increase the chance that foreign holders of US Treasury Securities will sell them. If we do not, the popularization of the Euro will eventually become so attractive as to cause the Dollar dump anyway.

Ahmadinejad is neither insane nor a fool. With the council he receives from Russia and China he is playing us like a fiddle and will continue to do so. If the United States or Israel or both attack and destroy Iran, we will only bring about our eventual economic collapse more quickly than scheduled.

I invite criticism of this perspective.

PB





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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 12:09 PM
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1. K & R
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 12:41 PM
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2. k&r
Very interesting!
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:48 PM
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3. Yes, forget the US and UK headlines. Iran knows what it is doing.
They see the end of American power and influence has come. America and Israel form the ideal outside enemy the weak Iranian government needs to win the support of the general population, with their constant threats of sanctions and attacks.

The US, UK, France and Germans have played this so badly. Iran is unafraid. Germany now realises The US will not face reality and is moving towards the Russia-China camp. Russia is fed up with the West too.

Germany Approaches Russia-China Axis in Iranian Row
By Mirza Cetinkaya, Menaf Alici, Msocw, Vienna
Published: Friday, April 28, 2006

With hours left until the deadline given to Iran for its nuclear program expires, Moscow hosted an important summit.

Russian and German leaders joining together ... announced there are no alternatives to solving the problem other than diplomatic channels, while Russian President Vladimir Putin blasted the West and said they will seek "alternative bazaars in energy."

German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s softened attitude on Tehran was evident in her meeting with Putin in the Siberian town of Tomsk, as she asserted diplomacy is "the only alternative." Germany is thus approaching the position of Russia and China.

Blockade will push Moscow to the East

Putin lashed out at European countries and the United States for their objections to Russia's trade openings to the West and South, and warned Russia will seek alternative markets. "We keep hearing threats to prevent Russian companies from entering the European market. If we always listened to these, then we will have to start looking for other alternatives. When foreigners come to Russia, they call this (investment and globalization). When Russian companies go to other countries, they call this "expansionism."

Observers think the alternatives Putin implied are China, India, Japan, and South Korea.


http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20060428&hn=32547
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 02:24 PM
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4. You've hit the nail, right on the head....
k/r....now my question is....since you and I, and numerous others understand that all this jabbing of the beast with a sharp stick, has a reason...does our gov't?? It appears they haven't got a clue...because the mindset in DC seems to be...damn the torpedos, full speed ahead...
windbreeze
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 03:20 PM
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5. If Bush weren't so uneducated and naturally un-curious we would have...
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 03:31 PM by Poll_Blind
...a chance at countering this. How requires more thought and time than I am willing to spend with a sunny afternoon waiting for me.

Some "uncontroversial", as Chomsky would say, facts about George W Bush:

* He is not naturally curious about world politics. He has never been, nor will he ever be. George W Bush, should he live to be 100, will exhaust his final breath not ever understanding the rich tapestry of world politics. Or caring to.

* He considers world politics a game which has been made vastly and unnecessarily complex. Because he has not deigned to understand why world politics is necessarily complex, he has chosen to surround himself with hench-things who, at every turn, digest complex information so that it may be presented to him in simpler, more understandable terms. And understand that these hench-things not only digest complex information for him but they, themselves, sit at the top of an information food chain at each step of which the nuances are lost, the contrast turned up, and that which was once holographic becomes a 2-dimensional picture then a gray-scale one then black & white. Or nearly so, anyway. By the time the information is ready for his consumption and executive decision, the choice is clear. However, it's not really: He has just built and ruthlessly maintained a political organelle which distorts and reduces the information to a boolean choice. And by that point, his choice is almost-always very clear.


George W Bush has been victimized by his own lack of curiosity- something which his proponents suffer from as well. Historians, should they exist anywhere in the world after America collapses under it's own staggering, mind-numbingly-huge debt, may note that it wasn't the America's debt or America's enemies that did America in. It was graft, corruption but most-importantly willful ignorance on the part of the Bush Administration which allowed the cuts to go so deep they did not stop bleeding.

In Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which we should have all read excerpts of in high school, was unerringly clear about what destroyed Rome. It was not the Visigoths, nor the Vandals that destroyed Rome. It was not the enemies which attacked Rome, for the Roman national character could withstand anything.

The only thing that could kill Rome were the Romans. We are them, they are us. Separated by thousands or tens of thousands of years, it makes no difference. The adoption of ignorance, bribery, influence-peddling and most-importantly the, speaking frankly, DICK-SUCKING of the military/industrial/entertainment complex is the end of any nation, however great.

PB
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 03:48 PM
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7. Again I agree.....
It seems humankind has learned nothing....

Einstein said...."I don't know, what weapons WWIII will be fought with....but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones"....(I happen to think he's right)
windbreeze
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 03:39 PM
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6. To wit: $100b Iran-China energy deal ready to be signed: Chinese
DU discussion may be found here on this topic.

Again, if Iran was so hell-bent on destroying the world why are they so concerned about ensuring a successful and economically-prosperous Iran in the future?

PB
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:25 PM
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8. You are right
but they not going to lose any sleep over it

The US is already preparing
The broadening of the war on terror using US elite force being send to embassies around the world is simply to protect the embassies.

Things are moving and unfolding.
They know what outrage will be with an attack on Iran

When angry mobs swarm the US embassies in lots of country. What you going to do. OPEN FIRE
US is nut or something. Killing protestor is other countries going to turn into a huge mess of embassies being burn and properly US personnel being killed in all this embassies.
In many cases fire fight will be expected as which nation will allowed their citizen to be killed in this manner.

Is it not dumb that US embassy need to be protector by US special forces. I thought Embassy was for making friends. Gee I guess that was like yesterday.

With a vote of 327-21 on the Iran Freedom bill in Congress, I guess it does not matter anymore.
The first step to WAR already done. REGIME CHANGES legalise by the US congress, power to a monkey to carry this out. Talk about a fuck up solution. BRING IT ON, and go suck on your 10,000 nukes.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:37 PM
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9. Further examples of Iran's cleverness - refining uranium and inspections.
In January, Iran was not refining uranium and was allowing intrusive inspections. When the US and EU3 pushed for the case to be brought to the attention of the Security Council, Iran went ahead with uranium enrichment research and stopped intrusive inspections.

The IAEA was hoping that Iran was just bragging about the enrichment, but it turns out they did it, so now it is a fait accompli.

So now Iran is suggesting they may accept intrusive inspections again and another voluntary temporary suspension of uranium enrichment as long as the case remains under the authority of the IAEA, not the SC, exactly what they gave from 2003 to Jan 2006, but now it will seem like they are making significant concessions and the US and EU3 will have to accept it, along with giving additional benefits in return that Iran has been pushing for.

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 08:48 PM
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10. Evening kick.... n/t
PB
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 02:09 AM
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11. Check mate...
Now watch gasoline climb to near four dollars
this week.
The 100 billion dollar deal just announced between
Iran and China will set the dominoes falling faster than ever before.
Got Gold?
BHN
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