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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 06:48 AM
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The fall and rise of Mr Right (John McCain)
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,,1762452,00.html

The Hartford Club is the epitome of contented American Republicanism. It resides in a red-brick mansion in bustling downtown Hartford. Its leather seats are comfortable, the bar stocks fine whiskies and hunting trophies stare down glassily from its wood-panelled walls. However, this solid heartbeat of Connecticut's business and social elite was anything but sedate at the end of last month. Elegantly dressed men and women thronged the tables in the main hall, the chatter loud and excited. Many had paid $1,000 to be there.

They'd come to see one man: Senator John McCain. And they had come for one reason - they believe the Vietnam war hero turned outspoken politician might be the man who can keep the White House in Republican hands.

John McCain is probably the most popular politician in America at the moment. Amid endless corruption scandals and frustration over the war in Iraq, he has an image of bravery and integrity. While George Bush's poll numbers have collapsed, McCain's appeal has soared. In a divisive era, McCain is a uniting figure, appealing to blue-state and red-state voters alike. To many in his own party, he is a Republican dream; but to Democrats he could be the man who defeats Hillary Clinton.

He knows he will probably face off against a true conservative candidate like Virginia Senator George Allen or Nebraska Senator Sam Brownback. But McCain is keen to avoid another civil war. This time around he won't be seen as the anti-conservative candidate. He will be seen as a conservative alternative. The 'big tent' of support that surrounds McCain is getting bigger and bigger. The question is whether he can hold it together.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 06:58 AM
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1. The guy who wrote this article did lousy research
Edited on Sun Apr-30-06 06:58 AM by rpannier
Brownback is not from Nebraska.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 07:05 AM
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2. He's from Kansas isn't he?
Edited on Sun Apr-30-06 07:09 AM by Thankfully_in_Britai
Thanks for spotting the glaring error. :-) I've double checked myself using Google, although I think I'd best refrain from posting Brownback's website on DU as it might get on the thru'penny bits of everyone else here.
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 07:38 AM
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3. McCain is a Lie.
That is, he is a panderer--taking whatever position is popular (sometimes taking what appears to be unpopular; but which very cleverly works to his advantage). Certainly a vast improvement over the Bush cartel; but we cannot afford any more Republican crap. Still, McCain manages to project an image that has been and is growing ever more popular; it's patently false; mostly he doesn't even know why people think he's a 'leader' or why he has 'integrity' or 'honesty'. Alas, that doesn't change the fact that people look at him and project onto him their imaginations, fantasies and hopes--and believe them despite a clear lack of positive evidence (and even regardless of some evidence to the contrary). His involuntarily experience as a prisoner of war gives him claim to 'war hero', and his physical appearance is that of an old salt, a reasonably wise older man. None of it means anything--he's a professional 'politician' through and through. Alas...

Alas, it means we have a real contender for the Republican Presidential ticket in 2008. However, as usual, we're running pretty thin for viable Democratic candidates. A couple of them might make fine presidents, but none have either a universal appeal or are free from significant negative popularity aspects. Hillary, Kerry, and Gore are either female (which, alas will be a massive impediment) or have already been skewered in the minds of millions and have lost previous elections (against the worst imaginable contender--though an inexplicably appealing figure--apparently--to fifty-plus million (though reduced by this point--irrelevant since he won't run again)). I sure hope we get a few more Democratic choices; people with substantial leadership, charisma and political skills. Yet, if they aren't already known national figures--it seems likely it would be hard for them to make a real bid for office (though Clinton did relatively "come from nowhere", he WAS a masterful rhetoritician, with charisma and leadership qualities, the sum of which we haven't seen the like since).

If nothing else, we need to learn how to discredit Republican candidates as effectively as they do ours--and with the handicap of having no control over or beneficial bias from the media... How can that be done? Well, for one, if we can properly define and explain the flaws in the Republican ideology and counter their logical frames (that have so many people locked into believing 'their way', such as the notion that "taxes are too high; tax-cuts are always good/increased taxes is bad and a burden")...

Anyway, though there doesn't seem to be much on the horizon, yet... Hope springs eternal. Even some of the current line-up might find a way to develop the kind of appeal we need. Meanwhile, we need to find ways to discredit or deflate the image of one John McCain.

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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 07:58 AM
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4. If you feel you cannot support Clinton/Kerry or Gore...
...Have you looked as Gen. Wesley Clark?

His Wikipedia page will knock you flat...just click HERE to read his bio.

Wesley Kanne Clark (born December 23, 1944) is a retired four-star general in the U.S. Army. As the Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO from 1997 to 2000, Clark commanded Operation Allied Force in the Kosovo conflict.

He is fluent in four languages, including Spanish and Russian.

Besides his many military decorations (both foreign and domestic), Wes Clark also holds an advanced degree in economics, two honorary Knighthoods (British & Dutch), the nation's highest civilian level award of the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and a National Audubon Society award for saving an endangered species of desert turtle. (!)

In July 1962, at the age of 17, Clark entered the U.S. Military Academy in West Point, New York, beginning his 38 years in the U.S. military.

As a Rhodes Scholar at Magdalen College at the University of Oxford he studied Philosophy, Politics and Economics (PPE), earning a Master's Degree in August 1968.

In Vietnam, in February 1970, then 25, Clark was wounded by a sniper in the jungle. Ambushed by the Viet Cong, Clark was shot four times (in the right shoulder, right hand, right hip and right leg) before he could find cover. He managed to shout commands to troops, who launched a counterattack and defeated the enemy force. He was awarded the Bronze Star and Silver Star.

From 1997 to 2000, he served as Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. European Command (CINCEUR). As stipulated by international treaty, Clark also held the simultaneous position of Supreme Allied Commander(SACEUR), which is a NATO position that is independent of the U.S. chain of command, but always held by an American. As SACEUR, Clark also held Head of State status requiring meeting with other heads of state, and control over international NATO forces. Supreme Allied Commander of NATO was the same position held by Eisenhower immediately prior to his becoming President of the United States.

The U. S. Army once tested a thousand of its officers to see how well they extrapolated future trends from current patterns, and Clark, long before he became a General, finished in first place.

Military Decorations

* Defense Distinguished Service Medal (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
o For Bosnia service
o Joint Staff, end of tour
o For service at U.S. Southern Command
o For service as Supreme Allied Commander - Europe, Commander of the Kosovo conflict
* Distinguished Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Cluster)
o 1st Cavalry Division
o Upon Retirement
* Legion of Merit (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
o Shape 1979
o D.A. Staff 1983
o MJC 1986
o MJC 1991
* Silver Star Medal
* Bronze Star Medal (with 1 Oak Leaf Cluster)
* Purple Heart
* Meritorious Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Cluster)
* Army Commendation Medal (with Oak Leaf Cluster)
* Joint Meritorious Unit Citation
* National Defense Service Medal (with service star)
* Vietnam Service Medal (with 3 service stars)
* Army Service Ribbon
* Vietnam Campaign Medal
* Combat Infantryman Badge
* Parachutist Badge
* Ranger Tab
* Army Staff Identification Badge
* Joint Chiefs of Staff Identification Badge
* Presidential Medal of Freedom

====================

Other Honors

* Honorary Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire;
* Commander of the Legion of Honor (France);
* Grand Cross of the Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany;
* Knight Grand Cross in the Order of Orange-Nassau, with Swords (Netherlands);
* Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Italy;
* Grand Cross of the Medal of Military Merit (Portugal);
* The Commander's Cross with Star of the Order of Merit of Republic of Poland;
* Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg;
* Grand Military Service Cross (White Badge) (Spain);
* The Grand Cordon of the Order of Leopold (Belgium);
* Cross of Merit of the Minister of Defense First Class (Czech Republic);
* Order of Merit of the Hungarian Republic;
* Commander's Cross, The Silver Order of Freedom of the Republic of Slovenia;
* Madarski Konnik Medal (Bulgaria);
* Commemorative Medal of the Minister of Defence of the Slovak Republic First Class (Slovakia);
* First Class Order of Lithuanian Grand Duke Gediminas (Lithuania);
* Order of the Cross of the Eagle (Estonia);
* The Skanderbeg Medal (Albania);
* Grand Cordon of the Ouissam Alaoui (Morocco);
* Order of May of Military Merit (Argentina);
* The Grade of Prince Trpimir w/Ribbon and Star (Croatia)
* The Military Service Cross of Canada






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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 12:42 PM
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9. I will support whoever we choose to run...
be it Gore, Kerry or even Clinton... My post merely reflects that I don't think it likely that they would be able to carry the day. As bad as things may be by then, I could be wrong--it may be that every person who is still allowed to vote, regardless of stripe, might vote anti-Republican and we will win in a landslide.

Now then, as to the information you provided. I haven't really heard a great deal about General Clark--despite the fact that I've heard of him often, there's never been much depth (and, I didn't really go looking). So, thanks for the information. I do like what I hear. I would like to hear him have greater success among Democrats, to begin with...

Actually, I'm longing to find a viable Democrat at the earliest possible moment (now, if not yesterday). That would particularly include seeing some evidence that this person is actually providing politically relevant, effective leadership to the party over these years before the 2008 elections. To see someone actually bringing this party together, uniting us and building excitement; contributing to success as early as the 2006 elections and henceforth promoting measures for strategically countering the Republican leadership in relevant and even innovative ways. They should, of course, be well liked by and increasingly popular within the Democratic party, while making news for providing incisive analyses of the current Republican leadership, and commentary about their decisions and policies as well as offering their own clear vision, alternate solutions and new ways of thinking (interesting, memorable, even viral) about Democratic platform positions.

As far as the analysis and commentary, I've recently seen both Kerry and Gore providing leadership of the sort that probably would have given them the kind of numbers that would have been practically immune from the Republican electronic electoral fudge factor; but as I've said, I think it's a bit late for them to be the final selection--and that is just one of the things I would want and expect to see from the right leader. Perhaps my wish list is a bit unrealistic; the world sees such leaders only a few to several times a century. Even so, the time is right, the cause is right (left actually), and the people are ready--and as yet they are a relatively completely untapped resource. Our next leader needs to find a way to involve every Democrat (and others as well) in what should seem to be a personal way in the very real struggle to save and restore our nation. To return us to the path that provides the reasons behind being proud to be an American.

I would say that I think General Wesley Clark has, seems to have and even ought to have much of what it would take. The intelligence, strength and leadership qualities seem to be there. If he manages to begin playing a higher profile role, is able to communicate who he is, what he believes and a compelling plan, and is able to reach a large enough audience (not having positive media access makes such things particularly difficult; it's no surprise, though, that the media would act in such a way as to help prevent the rise of a real Democratic contender) he might be the right choice. If he could contribute the kind of unifying, motivating, satisfyingly strategic leadership and clear, compelling vision as well; it would seem that none could stop him.

For my part; I hope he is 'the one' and he does break out of the invisible box that seems to be placed over every Democratic leader both by Republicans and, quote, un-quote, "Democrats"--a general reference to centrists, DLC members and all those who claim title to the name Democrat but who don't want a real Democratic Leader rise unless he's a clone of their own personal brand of Democrat. As to that last, we should all be seeking a highly progressive, idealistic and solid Democrat as opposed to one who compromises and shifts their "ideology" towards the center/right as needed. The only caveat would be that we should support any reasonable Democrat (sorry, but that does not include DINOs) if they are both the best choice available and stand a real chance to unify the party and lead to an overall Democratic victory. As I mentioned before, the time is now and the opportunity is ripe--even if the obstacles (lack of media) are at an obstructive level.

We need Democrats to become truly involved and deeply committed (there are many who are, but many more who would say they are, but aren't nearly committed enough). As it stands, given the obstacles arrayed against us--such as electoral fraud (still functional), corrupt districting and gerrymandering, profoundly biased and dishonest media and lopsided campaign financial contributions (disparate Corporate contributions, illegal/corrupt campaign funding arrangements, etc), we probably will fail to retake Congress despite the damning evidence of Republican malfeasance and incompetence. We simply haven't committed everything to the fight. The reason we haven't is that while most of us intellectually grasp the seriousness of the situation; it just hasn't reached us on an emotional or 'gut level'.

It's still too inconceivable and unbelievable that our very Democracy is in jeapordy; we're still harboring the hope that it really isn't that bad--that things will somehow work out, that sanity will prevail. The actual Pain hasn't yet come to roost; our economy hasn't tanked, we still have jobs, food and pretty much everything we've come to depend on for comfort/satisfaction in life. Intellectually, most of us know that thus far it's just been luck, a booming real-estate industry, the self-interest of the Chinese and various other elements that could fail at any moment, that's kept us from realizing a massive recession (potentially a depression). Still, it hasn't happened; things are extremely disturbing but not devastating, yet... So, the proposition that we need total committment, such as donating every penny we can spare, actually signing up and spending every available hour working for our local, state and national Democratic party organizations or whatever else we can find to do, just hasn't seemed truly necessary.

Perhaps we're just thinking that if it really does get truly intolerable, we'll be able to organize and contribute then. Certainly the motivation will be approaching what will be needed, but we cannot know what new and oppressive obstacles we'll be facing then. We may no longer have internet access. We may be struggling so desperately, merely for food, water, gasoline and rent/mortgage money to keep our families alive that there may be nothing left to expend on the political front. We may even have lost the freedom to gather in public. One cannot guess what a totalitarian leadership that believes our laws don't apply to them can get away with. It's desperately hard to imagine our government being overthrown or changed beyond recognition, much less the loss of such rights and freedoms... but it has happened elsewhere in the world and repeatedly throughout history.

It's not inconceivable that whole branches of government could disappear overnight (well, over a day, or so--any time when the majority can be found together; just read Tom Clancy's book Debt of Honor or remember 9/11) due, ostensibly, to some sort of terrible "terrorist" attack (no doubt). Pretty absurd, one hopes. Point being twofold, that first of all we should act now, while we can, regardless of how difficult or hopeful our situation will be, and second, that it's not quite inconceivable for a real change of government (while even if a violent coup occurred, it would seem likely that the states would rebel unless there were some massive threat, such as military control or nuclear attack (in this case, our own nukes used against us; or our bioweapons--it would depend on the ruthlessness of those behind the coup)). Still, why would anyone need to resort to such an approach when one's own political forces can pervert elections in ways that can't be determined.

So, nevertheless, if we want our country back, we very well may have to approach politics with as much single-mindedness and dedication as the Republicans have. Perhaps more if you consider that (a) they generally have alot more money than we do, and (b) they are already installed in the positions of power.

Seems I have gone very wide afield indeed, time to get back to both reality and the subject at hand...

Viable presidential candidates aren't yet obvious except a few to their own groups of supporters. If a given individual has merit, there's time yet for them to make themselves known. General Clark may have what it takes (especially in such times as we might face a direct threat to our government), but he still needs to reach more people with his message; and I wonder what's holding him back since he seems to have a following but isn't being heard. Then again, even the DNC Chairman, Dean, is barely heard from; and even if he isn't the next contender, given his claimed goals and mandate, if he was able we should indeed be hearing alot from him. It's just not easy, and this isolation ridden environment Democrats find themselves in is sure to be by design. It's far more than just the natural difficulty in uniting such a cosmopolitan collection of subgroups that is the Democratic Party, it's plainly the result of well laid Republican owned media corporations. Of course, if we truly committed, fifty million Democratic voters across this country could, even if with some difficulty, organize and collect such a massive chunk of investment funds--we could build our own XOF Democratic News and Entertainment Network from the ground up. Vast numbers of liberal media people would flock to it and delight in producing content for it. If someone would think big and lead by asking Democrats everywhere to participate in founding such a network through their most generous contributions and investments. Besides, with such a success (such a large audience guaranteed) all but guaranteed, it could help Democrats make some real investment income!

Egad, I've gone off topic again. Time to put down the pen (err... keyboard). Cheerio, and thanks for providing the "General details" (uh, the General's details; General Wesley Clark's details that is). "General"ly interesting. Egad, now I've gone punny; quick, someone put me out of my misery! Stop me... I seem to be in a state of "General" disarray... nevermind, it's okay, I seem to be fading away on my own...





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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 02:20 PM
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12. One of Wes Clark's traits is that he is usual ly ahead of the times....
Edited on Sun Apr-30-06 03:04 PM by FrenchieCat
As Clark was about Rwanda and Kosovo, he has been advocating that we should intervene in Darfur.

This post is pretty relevant considering the marches against the Genocide in Darfur, which are being broadcasted today on C-Span.

Clark has been ahead of his time there again....! He's been talking about Darfur since the genocide started......now, others are coming around!
(BTW, that's what makes Clark a leader)

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/04/10/a_us_plan_for_darfur/
US plan for Darfur
By Wesley Clark and John Prendergast | April 10, 2006

http://www.dems.us/clark_wes /
November 07, 2005
Clark Steps Up For Darfur, Sudan

http://savedarfur.org/index.php?q=news/newsarchives/200 ...
Deja vu in Darfur - 9/01/2005
Sudan Tribune
Former NATO Commander Wesley Clark is urging the U.N. Security Council to dispatch about 12,000 NATO troops to Darfur to protect civilians and humanitarian operations until a large contingent of African troops is deployed there next year.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=48 ...
Commentary
Wesley Clark: NATO Forces Needed in Darfur
August 22, 2005

http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/USATODAY/2004/07/06/501055?extID=10026
Out of time in Darfur
By Wesley Clark and John Prendergast | Jul 06 '04


For the past year, the international community has shamefully acquiesced to the crimes against humanity occurring daily in the Sudanese province of Darfur.

"Janjaweed" militias, Arabs backed by the Sudanese government, are continuing to conduct mop-up operations against non-Arab villagers in a massive ethnic-cleansing campaign in the region. The current conflict flared early last year when two rebel groups in Darfur attacked government forces. The swelling crisis could leave hundreds of thousands dead in the coming months.

Also, Clark is a board member of this group here:
http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=3060&l=1
as a Vice Chair -- of which George Soros is a chairman...
http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=1139&l=1

And here's some information on the Rwanda-Time line, and some comments about Wes Clark's involvement in attempting to get something done about it.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/4018.html


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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 08:20 AM
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7. McCain reminds of the dough boy more and more everyday

www.funnypart.com
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 12:43 PM
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10. I Like It....
He is... so pasty...
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:00 AM
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8. Yep, McCain = Lie. But - alternative view of Kerry's viability,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=273&topic_id=84219&mesg_id=84219


Sometimes what you're looking for is already right in front of you.

I just posted the following to a thread in GD-p titled "Neil Young's "Looking for A Leader" Is Now My 2008 Theme Song." I had listened to that song last night and although I like the song, my immediate thought was that I'm not really looking (although it doesn't hurt to have more than one great leader, if they work together).

As I composed this I realized it was a good opportunity to tie together some key points about why I support John Kerry and what I took from the 2004 campaign, so I thought I would share it here, too.

The op I was responding to is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2597138

~~~~~~~~~~

7. Sometimes what you're looking for is already right in front of you.

I know the leader I'm looking for - it's John Kerry.

I just read the Scheer article (http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/35568 ) and while he gets it a bit wrong about the Iraq quote - wrong about what was said and the reason for it (guess the truth still hasn't caught up with the lie), he is probably right about what Kerry should have said...but read what else Scheer says, where he nails it about the most fundamental requirement of leadership:

OR: Are Americans capable of recognizing a good president?

RS: I do. I think the problem here was the failure of the democrats. When Kerry was asked by Bush, "Knowing what you know now, would you have gone into Iraq?" he should have said, "No." He should have said, "You lied to Congress, you lied to the American people, it's unconscionable." He would have won the election, but Kerry was not comfortable in his own skin. Here's the boy-scout war hero who seemed to be faking it, and yet in real life, this guy performed every time. And there's George W., who has been faking it his whole life and somehow came across as more genuine.



The rest of Scheer's article is about how, in order to win, candidates tend to buckle under to the manipulative tactics they must pass through in the campaign, and then fail to live up to their former selves once they do win office.

Having studied him closely since the 2004 campaign, I strongly believe that Kerry will never buckle under like that. He will find a way to win within the framework that is forced upon him - but he will keep his integrity and bring it to the job of righting this country from its current disastrous course. And THAT quality - if you believe the general thesis of Scheer's interview - makes John Kerry a very rare and special commodity in our corrupt political world.

Where Kerry failed in 2004 - and he came damned close to not failing - was to understand and cope with the framework of manipulation in order to win. Between strong winds, damaged hearing from Vietnam, and thinking he knew what the question was, he effed up that day at the Grand Canyon - but it was the failure of follow-up by the campaign to effectively correct the misstatement that has us still having to correct people like Scheer even today. And the campaign probably failed there because they couldn't figure out how to handle it successfully in the manipulative media environment that Scheer describes.

Kerry is a very smart man who isn't afraid to confront his own mistakes, and analyze and learn from them. That bodes well for an effective adjustment to better handle the unusual challenges of a presidential campaign the second time around.

As for "not comfortable in his skin": anyone who knows Kerry knows that is not at all true generally - but given the physical stresses of a campaign and the manipulative atmosphere which I strongly suspect was way beyond what Kerry had experienced in his Massachusetts races, as nasty as some of them were - there were probably many moments during the campaign where he wasn't his usual relaxed and focused self. So Scheer's comment there is probably true to some extent within the context of the campaign, although it had nothing to do with Kerry answering the "go into Iraq" question wrong, because that was simply mis-hearing the question. Again, the "comfort" issue is a problem where he will be better prepared next time, because he's been through it once now and it won't be foreign to him anymore. I have difficulty imagining any "new" candidate stepping forward who would not have to go through the learning process that Kerry did in 2004. We just don't have that many Bill Clintons willing to run for president, and in any case I'll take Kerry's politics over the Clinton charm anyday.

I suspect I'll get a lot of responses nixing Kerry for one reason or another...but that's okay. I'm speaking for myself. I'm certainly open to other leaders too - but I'm not going to turn away from a great one we already have.


And a follow-up comment on that post:

2. I think Scheer's main point is about the media manipulation.

So sure, Kerry did say those things, and Scheer kind of missed the boat on the details, but it is true that the Kerry campaign wasn't quite effective enough in playing the media game - they came damned close, but in the end that didn't get it done. (Of course they didn't get much help from the Dem infrastructure - oh wait, what infrastructure? - but solving that was another part of the game).

Despite blowing it on some of the details regarding Kerry, I think Scheer's general point is correct about what a presidential campaign requires of a candidate and how it grinds up their integrity to learn to play the game. And I think this shows how Kerry is particularly qualified, because his integrity is more heavily armored than most - something that becomes evident to those who actually research his life story.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 08:02 AM
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5. yeah, right
Edited on Sun Apr-30-06 08:02 AM by NJCher
I'm sure Americans will be lining up to vote for bush's biggest supporter.

Senator Brownback from Nebraska. LOL. This article has it ALL wrong.




Cher
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 08:15 AM
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6. thanks to our wonderful MSM the real mccain is not known
how he was against making Martin Luther King day a national holiday
his involvement in the S&L crisis during Keating
how he has no problem speaking at bob jones university
how he believes we should stay the course in Iraq
how he is against abortion
how he is just another unbalanced neocon asshole that the media try to paint as a "moderate"


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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:14 PM
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11. It's vitally important that we get the word out about him
Regularly check the firedoglake.com blog's McCain-related listings, and let everyone know that he has one of the most conservative records of anyone in the Senate.

He's a wolf in moderate's clothing, and many on the left and in the center are absolutely falling for it.

___

Hey, the liberal light is always on at the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy. Please stop by and say "hi!"


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