Kucinich, God love him, needs to go.

[UrbScotty]

He's a fantastic candidate, and I love what he brings to the campaign. However, I just don't see him getting any delegates anywhere but Ohio, if even there. He finished seventh everywhere but New Mexico, and even there he has about 5-6%.

Just my very humble opinion.

[ButterflyBlood]

1. ditto

we need him in Congress.

[liberty rising]

5. We Need Him in the White House

[ButterflyBlood]

9. that may be true`

but he's not winning it. period.

[youngred]

26. he will be

no fear of that...unless he gets a presidential appointment

[liberty rising]

2. Needs to go, keep going,

straight to the convention in July and
beyond...Kucinich for President


liberty rising

[iowapeacechief]

3. Go Dennis Go...

to Boston and beyond.

Why the rush to crown the nominee?

[Desertrose]

59. welcome & totally agree with ya liberty rising

:hug:
Dennis does need to keep going...for all our sakes.....

and he will...he's promised us!!

Dennis:yourock:

welcome to DU and to the Kucinch movement/campaign!
:bounce:

Peace & Hope
DR

[Postman]

4. Kucinich needs to stay..hear me out...

Yeah, I know he;s not going to win and I'm a Kucinich supporter. However, with Kucinich staying involved, especially in the debates, he can push the other "viable" candidates to talk about the issues that democrats should be talking about..

Stay in Dennis. The Democratic Party needs you, the American people need you.

[mike1963]

12. I agree but there won't be any money and he will be ignored by the media

It's a goddamn dirty rotten shame but so is dying...we have to deal with reality at some point.

[charlie]

19. Oh he'll still have money

He hasn't needed much. And being ignored by the media wouldn't be a change. He might even get a boost if those simps decide a quixotic angle would make a "good" story.

[genius]

28. He's got more money than Dean

I guess he's better with budgets.

[Hoppin_Mad]

30. BS - Dean just raised almost 2 Million in one week -nt-

[RetroLounge]

36. Right...

Try sticking with facts.

Dean has raised millions in the past couple of weeks.

How much does DK have?

[no name no slogan]

56. DK has about $10 million right now and NO DEBT

and that does not include the federal matching funds he still hasn't received.

DK runs a VERY tight ship. He doesn't have swarms of advance men/women working for him-- his advance work is all done by local volunteers. He doesn't have speechwriters because he writes his own-- like he always has. He doesn't have a boatload of political consultants helping to "shape" his message, because it doesn't need shaping.

DK is truly running an unconventional campaign-- one that does not need deep pockets to survive.

[Cuban_Liberal]

46. No he doesn't.

What's even worse, Kucinich hasn't even gotten his check from the feds. I just heard Roy Neel say today that Dean has over $10 million.

[Eric J in MN]

6. The longer he stays in, the better he makes the point that liberals should

The longer he stays in, the better he makes the point that liberals should try to change the Democratic Party from within.

[GreenArrow]

16. You might make the opposite argument

with results like he's getting, it would appear that the only thing the Democratic establishment and voters care about is winning.

[Fovea]

7. Not time yet.

Kucinich needs to be on the stage, both because he is right on several issues where everyone else is not as strong, such as health care and Iraq, and becasue 2004 is too prone to be a whole new race at any point before the convention.

Bush has weaknesses that show up most dramatically when compared to Dennis. Just as I am in no hurry to lose Clark, I am in no hurry to see Dennis quit. I think they both need to be there until June as least.

Further, Dennis is a low maintaince candidate, who runs a campaign with an austerity that should be the standard, not the exception. No, keeping Dennis is a no lose situation.

[Hippo_Tron]

11. Agreed, 100%

DK helps the democrats by staying in the race, Sharpton does the same thing because he makes such a mockery of the Bush administration.

[theboss]

8. I agree it's time to thin the herd

I think we have a front-runner (Kerry), an alternative (Edwards), an intriguing long-shot (Dean) and the hail-mary (Clark).

Clark probably deserves one more week to make his case. But Kucinich gets one percent and Sharpton can barely get a quarter of the black vote.

[iowapeacechief]

33. Thin the herd?

Why?

What's the rush to paint the bullseye on one guy?

[theboss]

37. I'm not big on the "many voices" view

I think Kucinich and Sharpton have had the chance to state their views. And the voters have rejected them.

So, it's time to get down to the real business of choosing the nominee.

Basically, I view the primaries as a discussion right up until the votes are cast. Then it's a contest and may the strong survive.

[snoochie]

38. deleted

[youngred]

44. the voters?

you mean in 9 states where only 10% of the delegates have chosen?

Alright, why don't we just call the november elections after 10% of the country has voted. :eyes:

[Dookus]

10. I agree...

for both Kucinich and Sharpton. I welcome them to keep speaking out on the issues important to them, but at some point the vanity candidates have to leave.

[no name no slogan]

57. "vanity candidate" like Clark?

DK was DRAFTED to run for President because of his outspokenness over BushCo's foreign policy. Much like your man Clark was drafted by the Clintons and their DLC comrades to counter the "uprising" represented by Dean.

Right now, there's little difference between Clark/Kerry/Edwards/Dean on the issues. The only difference is how they comb their hair, and what magazine covers they pose for. DK and Sharpton are the only two articulating the so-called "liberal" program of the Democrats.

Remember "liberals"? You know, the ones who brought you the 40-hour work week, Medicare, Social Security, equal rights, etc.? They're the ones who kept this party TOGETHER for the last 70 years, and made it the most successful party in US history.

Somehow you and your ilk don't seem to have much use for them anymore, do you? Why should we be forced to listen to them over and over since there's no chance they'd ever win?

If that is the case, I'd recommend you join the party that not only hates liberals, it DESPISES them. Yep, that's right-- join the GOP! You won't ever have to worry about those "pesky" liberals again!

The Rethugs drove out their liberals in the 1980s, so now they've got plenty of room for more warmongering imperialists! If you're white and male, you'll fit right in! Hell, they may even make you a DELEGATE!

Sorry to piss in your cornflakes, comrade, but DK and Sharpton (and the liberals and progressives) are HERE to STAY. If you can't get used to that, go join another party.

[NoMoreRedInk]

13. You're right. If you took all of his votes today and added them...

together, he probably still wouldn't have enough to get 15% in any one of the states.

[DemBones DemBones]

14. If DK left the race, they'd all veer right. He's the only one who

has mentioned PNAC in the debates and you know damn good and well the others know about PNAC.

We need Dennis in the debates to keep the others honest. We need him campaigning to give people exposure to progressive ideas.

[GreenArrow]

18. Shhhh....

Maybe the Democratic party isn't interested in having PNAC brought up. Voters certainly don't seem to care much about it.

[truizm]

32. Don't know or don't care?

Anyone that I've explained it to has cared. This should be brought up by all the candidates.

[GreenArrow]

50. The people I know care about it too

It's preaching to the choir when I talk to them. As for the rest, it's not like the information is top secret. The majority of people just don't seem to care. I guess anyone could have read "Mein Kampf," too, but most didn't bother, or had no problems with what it spelled out.

Since the Democratic candidates for the most part aren't talking about it, one could assume that they don't think it's that important either, or not an issue that they are going to win votes on. Maybe they are waiting until the general election to make it an issue, but I tend to doubt it. I'd love to be wrong about that, but don't expect to be.

[NashVegas]

29. Not At All

John Kerry is probably the most liberal of the candidates, after Dennis.

[jmaier]

45. I agree that Dennis is the STRONG

progressive voice but I don't see how his positions have influenced anyone else in the race. On the other hand, I would say the Dean has had some influence on what Kerry, Edwards & Clark say.

[goodhue]

55. DK keeping the others honest

is of great benefit to all.
Honesty sets the democrats apart
from the current administration.

[MuseRider]

15. So who else

is going to bring up PNAC or the OSP? I have not heard anything like that from any of the others. His is a needed voice and as much as you do not want to hear it anymore he is sticking to it so I guess you might as well stop these threads (not you, I do not know if you have done this before) but there have been an awful lot of them. Sorry, you do not get to decide to hush this man up, he is running and that is final until HE decides to quit.

[DrFunkenstein]

17. Kucinich Makes Kerry Seem More Middle-of-the-Road

So does Dean, actually. That is a great way for Kerry to enter the General Election. The GOP are going to try to hammer him as a liberal, but people will be thinking - this guy is not lefty like Dean or Kucinich (or Sharpton).

As long as the stage isn't too crowded and debates can actually occur, I'm cool with whoever the last few are. The fact that it could be Kucinich is icing on the progressive cake, in my book.

[genius]

20. Kucinich is the most important candidate in the race.

He needs to stay.

[genius]

21. Are you afraid of a little Democracy? Do you fear the truths he tells

There are better countries for those who oppose democracy and the truth. Check one of them out.

[KathCO]

22. Please Stop with the needs to go stuff

You're starting to sound like the media pundits. It's early days yet. If you ask me Kerry, Clark and Dean need to go. How do you like that? ;)

[MuseRider]

23. GO GO GO KathCO!

Welcome to DU and thank you for supporting democracy and honesty.

[KathCO]

27. YeeHaa! (badly spelled cowboy whoop!)

Thanks!

[youngred]

24. And your point is?

He's here to get his message out, no one else will

[John_H]

25. We need him in not only because he is a great American

bt because he gives the other candidates a 2-3 pt. cushion over Dean.

[Hoppin_Mad]

31. DK should stay in all the way to the convention ! -nt-

[ChiefJoseph]

34. I agree

It's time to pick one of the top 3, choose a candidate and gird for battle. Dennis is not going to be the nominee, so let's all be realistic.

[tobys]

35. Kucinich should stay running all the way till the convention

since he is the best candidate who has ever run for president.

[snoochie]

39. Kucinich needs to stay

He's the best candidate.

It doesn't matter how many people vote for him. He has the cash, he has the volunteer staff of supporters - so he stays in.

I think a lot of people would be happier if Dennis would go away. It would make their jobs so much easier.

[Edge]

40. Your opinion is bad...

in my opinion. No offense. But let Kucinich's voice be heard. That poor man needs to let his voice be heard, especially since he says stuff that other candidates won't dare say.

[Turkw]

41. I want to see Kuninich in the Senate, as chairman of a powerful committee

then I want him to live and serve longer than Jessy Helms.

[Freddie Stubbs]

43. One of Ohio's Senate seats is up this year

Eric Fingerhut, a DLC-backed State Senator, is the leading Democrat in the race. Kucinich has already run against the incumbent, George Voinovich, in a local election.

[LWolf]

42. LOL

I feel the same way about Kerry, Edwards, Dean, Clark, and Sharpton!

What a coincidence. ;-)

[spindoctor]

47. What's with the ....... needs to go threads?

Fill in the blanks there. I thought I'd reply to this one since Kuch is a little dearer to me than the rest.

Why would any candidate NEED to go? Is the debate over with? Is the race over with? No on both.
Is Kucinich taking air time away from Kerry? On what? The democratic debates? Who do you think watches those debates? That's right, Democrats.

I salute the Kerry staff for their accomplishments (and Clark and Edwards for that matter), but their is no reason what so ever to turn the democratic debate into a John Kerry monologue.
Once and if he gets his nomination it will become a one man show, but until then the stage is open to any democrat with a base.

Something to consider...

If Kucinich would have endorsed Edwards, like he did in Iowa then:
- Edwards would have beat Clark in Oklahoma
- Edwards would have beat Dean in North Dakota
- Edwards would have beat Dean in New Mexico
- Edwards would have beat Lieberman in Delaware

So be careful what you wish for. There may not be too many of us, but we still have some impact.

[iowapeacechief]

58. Kucinich DID NOT "endorse" Edwards...

...in Iowa. How many times does their mutual-support strategic alliance need to be explained?

And DK is as dear to me as anyone.

[MadHound]

48. And thus the cries begin

Don't you know, we must get the conscience of the Democrats out of the race and off the air. He's just showing up the rest of the pack for the corporate whores they are! There are deals to be made and money to be raised, and damnit, with Kucinich around the rest of the pack simply can't go into full blown sell out mode! We must get him out NOW!:eyes:

Now my real question for all of you who are calling for Kucinich's dropping out, what the hell do you have against democracy and the democratic process? I mean geez Louise people, only ten percent of the delegates have been allocated, Super Tuesday is still a month away, and yet here you are calling for blood. You know, Clinton was in about the same boat in '92. Carter was in a similar predicament in '76. McGovern was in the same boat in '72. Give it a fucking break already!

What's the problem, is your conscience starting to get to you?

[Mairead]

49. Does he really scare you guys THAT much!?!

I really wish you'd stop with that. If you want to thin the herd, urge YOUR candidate to drop out and give his votes to Dennis. Problem solved!

Furrfu!

[Astarho]

51. ridiculous

Kucinich has some delegates, from Iowa (not sure about elsewhere)

There has only been less then 10 primaries or caucuses out of 50. And the most populous states NY, CA, PA and so forth haven't been held yet. It is a democracy after all, but I guess it just takes too long for some (which is why the primary process should be reformed, but that's another thread)

[Kanary]

52. Humble opinion... Not

Telling other people what to do is not humility. Humility is the one thing Dennis absolutely knows about. And he doesn't go around telling others what to do.

To follow your "logic", I guess the only primaries and caucus' that should be allowed, then, are Iowa and new Hampshire and the 7 we just had. Do you see anything faulty in that?

I guess you have already voted. The rest of us would like to do the same.

Kanary

[goodhue]

53. DK has $2.6 mil cash on hand plus matching funds to come

And he has many loyal supporters looking forward to voting for him in upcoming primaries up to and including Super Tuesday. He will not drop out before that time at the earliest.

[David Zephyr]

54. I Hope Dennis Stays In.

[Freddie Stubbs]

60. In MO, he finished behind a canidate who dropped out over two weeks ago

Appernetly more democratic voters in MO wanted to throw thier vote away to a candidate who was no longer running rather than vote for Kucinich.

[Desertrose]

62. maybe they were simply making a statement about thier "native son"

rather than a statement about DK
hmmmm???

Peace
DR

[Desertrose]

61. yet one more Dem telling another Dem to shut up & go away..tsk tsk tsk

If he is fantastic & you love what he brings to the debate, why the hell do you want him out??

Maybe this is about more than delegates?? Maybe it will end up as a brokered convention? Maybe people need to hear what Dennis has to say? Maybe you are more worried about your own candidate winning than making any real change? Maybe your opinion isn't as humble as you think considering you are just a nameless poster on a message board who thinks he has the answers for how things should go? Maybe you & everyone else with this same thought, needs to ask why you are all so anxious to get the one candidate who speaks the truth and demands answers, out of the race......


Peace & hope
DR

[lams712]

63. I might be beginning to agee....

...I am EXTREMELY saddened by the the relatively poor showing of a great candidate. I am OUTRAGED by the media's shoddy treatment of him, even so-called "liberal" outlets like NPR.

If Kucinch goes then DEAN and SHARPTON need to go too!!!! First, they have been doing pretty poorly too & hey, Kucinich and Sharpton were NEVER really given a fair chance, so at least they have an excuse, but WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH HOWARD DEAN????? WASN'T HE THE FRONTRUNNER at one point???

It might now be the the time for the Democratic Party to unite behind John Kerry against the REAL ENEMY, "W".