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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:32 PM
Original message
Do you see anything wrong with this fundy's answer to my question?
Edited on Wed May-17-06 07:18 PM by Maraya1969
I watched this video that I had saved on my computer again. It is only a couple minutes long and good to watch. Anyway, I was so mad afterward that I sent one of my SIBLINGS an email. We have conversed at length before about the war and other hot topics. When I re-read my email I realized it wasn't my most well written essay but I was so frigging mad I'm happy I remember my name at times like that.

But LOOK at what he sends me back! I'm not going to comment because I'd like to hear what some others say but I certainly have an impression right now.

Did I mention that he is a * supporter and approves of the war. And that he is a minister and people listen to his musings every Sunday. (that is downright scary)


http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2700791?htv=12&htv=12



This is how I feel about what is going on now. 21% of our children are living in poverty. Iraqi children are breathing Depleted Uranium. Birth defect have already begun to show up. The latest tax cut will give $3 to people making $20,00/year and $10 to those making $30,000. The number of the president's friends that have been indicted is outstanding and will continue to grow, The middle class is disappearing and what is left is the poor and the wildly rich.

How can you justify supporting a mass murderer? How can you justify any of this?

I really want an answer. The last time I asked you about what your belief in war was you used some other person in the Bible to justify it. I thought you followed the teachings of Jesus? And now we know that certain companies associated with Bush have gotten incredible rich off of this war.

I think it is all evil.

xxxxxxxx



=====================================================================================================

Dear xxxxxx,


Grace and peace to you.


It distresses me that when you write you do not address me. You do not greet me. This most recent email begins with a web link and then jumps to all sorts of assertions. Next it insults me by asking “how can you justify supporting a mass murderer?” After that you say you ‘really want an answer,” -- but to what? You then make reference to my comments in a previous email, but you have not taken the time to review clearly what I said and what my argument at that time was – you do not even remember the Biblical references I used and cannot be bothered to go back and review them.



XXXXXX I am happy to talk with you about the things that matter to you. But I must ask that you begin your emails to me with the pleasantries that make for civilized conversation. Manners matter. And, I would ask that you focus on one issue for each email. Try and create a sustained argument on a single topic. Seek to convince me. Don’t throw names. Don’t write when you are angry. (To me your emails often sound like they were written in anger. I am sure you do not mean that.) Take a deep breath. I know that you may dismiss these comments as lecturing you. I apologize if they offend. But the goal is conversation, perhaps even argument – but not name calling, not histrionics, not exaggeration. I believe we really can learn from one another.

Blessings to you.

Rev. Dr. XXXXXXXXXXXXX
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:36 PM
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1. He can't answer your question so he got all pissy over MANNERS
That's the bottom line.

Time to pull out the big guns, let him know you consider Stupid to the the MOST UNCHRISTIAN president this country has ever been cursed with, and then tell him why. The verses from Matthew about doing for the least of these, the Beatitudes, and the verse about the whited sepulchre should all come in very handy when you do so.

Of course, you may never hear from this patronizing jerk again. You will make him think, though.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:41 PM
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6. Yes, he has no answers so he talks about 'manners". But don't they
all? Isn't form more important to many of them than substance?

This is not the first time I've gotten the "change the way you address me" thing. The last time I did what he wanted and said Dear xxxx and Love xxxx at the end . No more though. He is a controlling person and he just doesn't have control over ME anymore.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:34 PM
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22. Take my advice and post him a swan song
Display the word UNCHRISTIAN prominently.

Then wave goodbye.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:49 PM
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32. That happens to me all the time too
People can't address the issues so they complain about my "style". That's when my little ignore list gets fed.

:evilgrin:




Educate A Freeper - Flaunt Your Opinions!
http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13


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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:36 PM
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2. Your SIBLING signs his/her name to you "Rev. Dr."??
Hmmm.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:42 PM
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8. Yup, should I ask him if he wants me to address him as Rev. Dr.?
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:32 PM
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18. I had him in my email address book nicknamed by his childhood
nickname that only I called him. All of a sudden any emails sent to that bugs bunny type character figure in the "to" section were returned saying the "mailbox was full" I think you can set up a block in such a way if you just don't want to get mail from a person. So I changed his "name" and included the "Rev" part and now the emails go through.

I spent 16 years of my life living in the same house with this man! What kind of a freakazoid is he?

I never get normal mail from him. I have been included on their family "newsletter" mailing list at times. He sends them to our mother along with his Sunday sermons.



:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:44 PM
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20. Wow, I'm sorry. I think maybe you
SHOULD ask him if you should refer to him in such a way. And then do it! In the greeting and even as you converse! But then I like to keep feuds going, so maybe that's not the best advice.

Hugs to you. I have insane fundy family too, so I can sympathize.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:37 PM
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3. He is probably right...you should not send angry missives...
It just doesn't accomplish anything. We have seen that we can have all the facts on our side. Any thinking person would have to agree. But when you are talking about core beliefs there is no logic and no reason--they are beliefs and faith. You can lose your faith, but until you do faith will overcome a truckload of facts. So, quit wasting your time sending such things to your siblling--you will accomplish nothing and only further alienate yourself from him.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:39 PM
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4. ask him how a "man of peace" can support a barbaric war....
either he is denying facts or he is betraying his own religion. Or both. That's exactly where the issue is.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:40 PM
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5. Pleasantries? He wants pleasantries?
I'm sure that the dying children will be happy to wait while he receives his pleasantries.

:nuke:
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:44 PM
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11. Good one.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:42 PM
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7. he has perfected the straw man - the art of not answering the question
So play by his rules - write a nice calm letter greeting him as "Dear ...." whatever you call him, and then present facts in a cool manner.

It should be fun to wait for his reply. Don't let him get off with his holier than thou crap, follow his rules and then see how he does on the follow up. I'm betting he never gets around to actually answering - at least in a manner you can't pick apart with logic and facts.

He's obviously impressed with himself - so play his game. See if he has the balls to play honest.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:22 PM
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17. (and send pictures)
"true" ones, i.e. graphic.
But for heavens sake, keep the discourse "polite"
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hashibabba Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:43 PM
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23. Unfortunately, a typical fundie.
Jesus said the most important thing is LOVE. The fundies don't practice that and that's why so many people in this country (and the world) are so turned off by them. I don't want to listen to your constant preaching and holier-than-thou attitude. Take the telephone pole out of your own eye before you take the speck out of mine. Actions speak louder than words.

I used to be a fundie (no comments from the peanut gallery!! 8^) ). I couldn't figure out what was wrong. I knew something was missing but just couldn't figure it out! Then at the end of my second year in Bible College it finally dawned on me. There's no love! Oh, they talk about it, but seldom act it. The Bible says we are living letters to the unbelievers. What unbeliever wants a part of this?

I have to say I learned a lot of good things during the time I was in the movement, but I could never go back there. Too much wrong and they're too blinded by their big egos.

And I get e-mails from my aunt with no greeting at the top. I've never said a word to her. Why bother? So What? Why is he making a big deal out of it? Just so he can hear the little people praise him?

Off the topic: are any of you watching the senate arguing about the 2007 budget tonight?





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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:42 PM
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9. I don't think Jesus would think much of this guy....
He sounds like a Pharisee to me.......

Of Course, I shouldn't judge......
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:44 PM
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10. An appeal to reason and civility from a fundy?
Is this how he always writes?

You did kind of hit him between the eyes, he may have been a little defensive.

But, take him up on it. Greet him properly, pick one subject and ask him for his scholarly opinion on how the Bible justifies a particular atrocity such as the Iraq war, torture, Katrina, Spying, etc. etc...

Research the hell out of your subject and know every gory detail before you write.

Then let us know what the reply is.

:hi:
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:52 PM
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12. This is the answer I got when I asked the questions preceded
Edited on Wed May-17-06 06:57 PM by Maraya1969
by the proper salutations. I don't have his exact answer but I found this on the web. This is what they are using. Sorry for the length. I did try and cut some things out.

EDIT: In case I have not made it clear this '"just war" theory was his answer to me when I asked him why he agreed with the war in an email at the beginning of the Iraq war.



The "Just War Theory":

One of the perennial realities of human existence is war in all religions and cultures.

The "just war theory" has received widespread acceptance both within Western culture and in the international community as a means by which a war may be determined to be justified or not.

The "Christian just war theory" (justum bellum), is a 1600-year-old attempt to answer the questions:
1- "When is it permissible to wage war?" (jus ad bellum),
2- And "What are the rules that govern just and fair conduct in war and after war, what are the limitations on the ways we wage war?" (jus in bello).

Yes, in today's world, the Just War Tradition provides moral guidance to political leaders as they consider the resort to force, and provide guidance to military planners as they plan the conduct of the war and prosecute it. And it can provide guidance for responsible Christian citizenship.
Certainly this issue is relevant and important in our modern era. While we debate other moral questions the threat of the gravest moral evil constantly hangs over our heads - the suicide of mankind. Fortunately even if the war issue cannot be resolved at least the Just War Theory provides a limiting factor. Also, efforts are being made to eliminate ABC warfare (Atomic-Bacteriological-Chemical) and promote peace. Certainly more people need to see the urgency of this issue for our modern world.


Criteria of a Just War:

The criterion of just cause classically and explicitly included one or more of three possibilities:
1- Defense against wrongful attack,
2- Retaking something wrongly taken,
3- Or punishment of evil.

The just war theory is a largely Christian philosophy that attempts to reconcile three things:
1- Taking human life is seriously wrong,
2- States have a duty to defend their citizens, and defend justice,
3 Protecting innocent human life and defending important moral values sometimes requires willingness to use force and violence.

A war is only a Just War if it is both justified (Jus ad Bellum), and carried out in the right way (Jus in Bello). Some wars fought for noble causes have been rendered unjust because of the way in which they were fought

The Just War:

A- Jus ad Bellum: The conditions under which the use of military force is justified:

1- The war must be for a just cause:
- Self-Defense: Invasion: The clearest example of a just cause is self-defense against an aggressor.
- Assassination of a prominent person - a monarch or president.
- Attack on national honour (e.g. burning the flag, attacking an embassy).
- Attack on state religion.
- Economic attack (trade embargo or sanctions).
- Attack on a neighbour or ally. Assisting an invaded friendly nation.
- Preemptive strike: attacking the enemy to prevent an anticipated attack by them...Preemptive strikes may no longer be acceptable by UN members, since the Charter says that short of actual attack, "all Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means" (Article 2:3)
- Human rights violations: Another common example is putting right a violation of human rights so severe that force is the only sensible response.
- To punish an act of aggression. This is not accepted by everyone. Some people would say that a war of punishment can never be a just war.

2- The war must be lawfully declared by a lawful authority.
- Only a war lawfully declared, by a government with the authority to declare war, can be a just war.
- It prevents sneaky attacks in advance of a declaration of war:.The example usually quoted of an attack before a declaration of war is the Japanese attack on the Americans at Pearl Harbor.
- There are two obvious problems with this: First: there can sometimes be doubt as to which group is the lawful government of a country, and second: if a government behaves in a way that is arbitrary and unjust does its 'lawful' authority have the necessary ethical force for it to be entitled to wage a Just War?
- The UN has the lawful authority. However, the idea of the UN as the final authority is very legalistic since in practice the actual power to do things such as wage war remains with individual states.

3- The intention behind the war must be good:
- Good intentions include: creating, restoring or keeping a just peace, righting a wrong, assisting the innocent.
- Bad intentions include: Seeking power or imperialism, demonstrating the power of a state, grabbing land or goods, or enslaving people, hatred of the enemy, genocide, personal or national glory, revenge, preserving colonial power.

4- All other ways of resolving the problem should have been tried fist: War must be the last resort!:
- The alternatives might include diplomacy, economic sanctions, political pressure from other nations, withdrawal of financial aid, condemnation in the United Nations, and so on... These alternatives should be tried exhaustively and sincerely before violence is used.
- It is argued that sometimes it will be morally better to go to war sooner rather than later. This might be because waiting too long would allow the enemy to do much more damage, or kill more people than an early war would have done; or may allow the enemy to become so established in another country's territory than far greater force will have to be used to remove him than would have been needed earlier... like Hitler!.

5- There must be a reasonable chance of success:
- Only winnable wars are just. A State should only go to war if it has a reasonable chance of winning. Going to war for a hopeless cause may be a noble act, but it is an unethical one. This comes from the idea that war is a great evil, and that it is wrong to cause suffering, pain, and death with no chance of success.
- A war among two countries with large nuclear weapons arsenal would be a disaster.
- It is sometimes morally necessary to fight against a much larger force, for national defense, for example.
- This condition could be a bullies' charter, in that it means that big powerful countries can trample on little ones, and the little ones can't ethically retaliate, because they can't win.

6- The ultimate goal of a just war is to re-establish peace.
More specifically, the peace established after the war must be preferable to the peace that would have prevailed if the war had not been fought.

B- Jus in Bello: How to conduct a war in an ethical manner:

7- Innocent people and non-combatants should not be harmed:
- This question has become more important during the last 100 years because of the weapons of mass destruction.
- At the beginning of the twentieth century only 10%-15% of those who died in war were civilians.
- In World War 2 more than 50% of those who died were civilians.
- By the end of the century over 75% of those killed in war were civilians.
- The "doctrine of double effect" is sometimes put forward as a defense:
- For example if an army base in the middle of a city is bombed and a few civilians living nearby are killed as well, nothing unethical has been done, because the army base was a legitimate target and the death of civilians was not the intention of the bombing (even though their death could be predicted).
- The "doctrine of double effect" can't be used to defend the use of weapons of mass destruction, such as nuclear weapons, area bombing, or chemical or biological weapons used against a population in general, since these are so indiscriminate in effect that civilians casualties can't be regarded as a secondary result.

8- Only appropriate force should be used. This applies to both the sort of force, and how much force is used:
- The means used must be in proportion to the end that war seeks to achieve:
- Not just the aim of the war, but the means used to fight it must be in proportion to the wrong to be righted.
- Destroying an enemy city with a nuclear weapon in retaliation for the invasion of an uninhabited island would make that war unethical, even though the cause of the war was just.
- The war must prevent more human suffering than it causes.
- It must prevent more evil than it causes.
- Weapons that are intrinsically evil should not be used: Chemical and biological weapons.
These were banned by the Geneva Protocol in 1925. Many writers argue that nuclear weapons are inherently evil, and I personally think so.
- Landmines, because they are indiscriminate weapons which cause great harm to civilians, are inherently evil.
- Genocide, mass rape, torture and so on.
- The Hague Convention of 1907 bans:
- poison or poisoned weapons
- killing or wounding treacherously
- killing or wounding an enemy who, having lay down his arms, or having no longer means of defense, has surrendered at discretion
- declaring that no mercy will be given to defeated opponents
- using arms, projectiles, or material calculated to cause unnecessary suffering.

9- After the fighting is over:
- There must be respect and mercy for the defeated.
- There may be no acts of vengeance, nor cruelty, nor deeds of imperialism.
- If possible, the nation defeated should be helped to its complete restoration, physically, economically, and the welfare of the citizens... The USA did a good job after victory in Japan, Germany, Korea, Vietnam, and it is trying to de the same in Afghanistan, Iraq... North Korea is now a hell compared with the bliss of South Korea!.

10- Internationally agreed conventions regulating war:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/war/justwarintro.shtml

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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:01 PM
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13. He's an asshat, plain & simple.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:02 PM
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14. Interesting explanation of "just war"
But did you not explain to him that the Vatican declared that the Iraq war was neither "just" nor "justified"?

And they're the ones that defined that term.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:08 PM
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15. On a quick read, #7 looks like a good place to start
7- Innocent people and non-combatants should not be harmed:
- This question has become more important during the last 100 years because of the weapons of mass destruction.
- At the beginning of the twentieth century only 10%-15% of those who died in war were civilians.
- In World War 2 more than 50% of those who died were civilians.
- By the end of the century over 75% of those killed in war were civilians.
- The "doctrine of double effect" is sometimes put forward as a defense:
- For example if an army base in the middle of a city is bombed and a few civilians living nearby are killed as well, nothing unethical has been done, because the army base was a legitimate target and the death of civilians was not the intention of the bombing (even though their death could be predicted).
- The "doctrine of double effect" can't be used to defend the use of weapons of mass destruction, such as nuclear weapons, area bombing, or chemical or biological weapons used against a population in general, since these are so indiscriminate in effect that civilians casualties can't be regarded as a secondary result. <end excerpt>


Exactly how does sodomizing young children in front of their parents to "soften them up" for questioning fit under this definition? When the leaders of a country specifically approve of torture and this is the result, who will bear responsibility when they are standing at the pearly gates?
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #12
36. You CANNOT appeal to these people with reason...
They operate out of the reptile brain. Pure and simple.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:10 PM
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16. I couldn't get passed his first 2 sentences. **It's all about ME,
ME, ME!** What a narcissistic asshole.
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:37 PM
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19. my, what a delicate little flower he is.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:07 PM
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21. You won't like hearing this
but I think he or she has a point. A good one.

AND it sounds to me like this is a person willing to listen, and perhaps even be persuaded. But no one is ever really persuaded to a different position by someone basically yelling at them, you know?

It sounds like an invitation to real conversation, and a plea for civility. I couldn't really argue with that, personally.
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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:53 PM
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25. I wouldn't argue either....
If someone wrote a blistering, accusatory e-mail to me, I wouldn't even make an effort to reply. At least this relative did make the effort.

The obvious intent of the letter writer was to inflame, and initiate a fight, in almost a Limbaugh-nic, or Coltour-ish way. The recipient was obviuosly offended, but did take the time to respond in a civil manner.

My "civility" hat is off to the recipient, though my "political" hat is off to the initial letter writer.

Yes, it can extremely frustrating when innocent people are being slaughtered everyday, and social and economic injustices are sanctioned and implemented by our government daily.

However, that does not give us license to verbally or physically attack other human beings, especially our own relatives. Honey attracts more hummingbirds than vinegar........


Peace!
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:19 PM
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28. I have to disagree with your contention was to inflame Limbaugh-etc
way. I was just very mad and yes I took it off of him. He is my frigging brother for crying out loud. And he says he is a man of God yet he approves of killing people. He made such a big deal about Terry Schievo while he said nothing about baby Hudson when I told him about that situation.

His whole way of being just gets to me sometimes and I think he has lot of nerve telling me how to address HIM. Does he ever consider the fact that his manners may offend me? And who said his manners are better than mine? They are different yes but how can one judge? I used to try so hard to please this man but I always had to change who I was. I am done with that. And even if you make a nice coherent argument with him he comes back with a pat fundy answer that does not address the real question.
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hashibabba Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. My aunt and uncle are ministers...
and never in my life did I have to call them Rev. or pastor. That's ridiculous. People who want all the glory aren't really serving God, but themselves.

I spent a number of years trying to change myself and be what everyone else (in the church) expected me to be. It just doesn't work and makes you miserable. Just be yourself and be happy. Don't let his problems drag you down! You're not likely to change him, unfortunately.



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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 08:26 PM
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33. Well brothers are annoying, that's our job in life....
it doesn't matter if we're younger or older, our job is to piss siblings off and make their blood pressure SKYROCKET. :toast:

OK, well, you didn't ask for my advice so I'll offer it in peace. I just wouldn't write to this brother when you're upset.

My grandfather was a helluva guy, as am I... :) We would both give you the shirt off our back if you were in need. However, we NEVER shared the same perspective on any political or religious issue, so we just avoided those topics.

So there ya go. Two nice guys from opposite sides of the political and religious divide, seperated by 50+ years, getting along famously and loving each other. :pals:

It can be done! Life is short.

Peace
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:50 PM
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24. While you were somewhat
provocative in your email, the response was very passive aggressive.

If all of your communications are like that, you might well be better off having no contact whatsoever.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:17 PM
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26. I just thought of something appropriate to send back to him
Since he's all about manners and decorum. These are (allegedly) the words of Jesus:

Matthew chapter 23...

23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone.

24 You blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel!

25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and unrighteousness.

26 You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the platter, that its outside may become clean also.

27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitened tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but inwardly are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:18 PM
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27. Talking down to you.
Usually a sign of having no substantive remarks.
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tirechewer Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:42 PM
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30. He didn't respond to your concerns at all....
It's like you never uttered them. Your brother is a living talking point, no offense meant to you.

I have a neocon "friend" like that. After a similar missive from her in which I was told that I needed to "center myself" and that she would pray for me to help me through my "meaningless anger", I found the Sermon on the Mount, copied the parts about loving your enemies and the Beatitudes which touch on the exaltation of peacemakers, and sent it right back to her. I asked what part of that did she not understand? For once she had nothing to say. They seem to have a big problem with understanding that real people are suffering and dying and that none of it is justifiable or right.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:47 PM
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31. Being obtuse on purpose. Couldn't give a satisfactory answer.
Because your charges are all too true.

So he goes off on a side discussion on "manners".

What an asswipe.
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 08:36 PM
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34. wow. he signs his e-mail to you 'Rev. Dr. XXXX'?
this is your sibling, who has just lectured you on pleasantries, and 'nice' conversation? I don't think there's anything you 'can learn from one another', when one of the people involved is him. His tone to me sounds imperious and condescending.

I'm very sorry that your brother responded to you in this way. :pals: :hug:

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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 08:44 PM
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35. He can't answer so he changes the subject..
Edited on Thu May-18-06 08:45 PM by truth2power
That's what all those whack jobs do. I've had them pull that same shit on me.

on edit> Don't bite. Your question was clearly stated.
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