Something's fishy is these primaries...

[eyeswideopened]

I just don't get it. I can't believe that that many Democrats really wanted Kerry over Dean. I will support the winning candidate but I smell a rat some where. Dean built the momentum and deserves a tremendous credit for that. Where did this old man come from to take such a tremendous lead. I haven't heard it in his speeches on from his presentation. I feel like the American people a playing into the hands of the media and they are playing into the hands of someone much more powerful. It's sad.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

1. lol

[Edge]

2. Haven't you heard?

The media killed Dean's momentum. With all do respect, where have you been for the past two weeks?

I hate the media...

[Wonk]

3. yep...

[cal04]

16. anyone see this article

The punditocracy spent a good portion of their TV time on Tuesdsay declaring Kerry’s candidacy all but dead, while anointing Dean as the sure-fire eventual nominee. This may prove to be true, but not one primary vote has been cast yet. January becomes the proving ground. In the interim, you’ll find John Kerry on the campaign trail. His performance in Franken’s living room last Thursday, the tenor of his recent speeches, and his gladiator memories of his 1996 Senate race against William Weld, all indicate one simple thing. If John Kerry is going down, he is going down swinging.


http://truthout.org/docs_03/121003A.shtml

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

19. Did you see who was in the living room with him?

[cal04]

28. no but apparently Pitt did and said so

The crowd I joined in Franken’s living room was comprised of:

[Dookus]

4. I find nothing fishy about it...

personally, I was stumped that Dean was polling so well a few months back.

There's no reason why Kerry shouldn't do well - he's a helluva guy.

[lurk_no_more]

5. It's a bitter pill to swallow isn't it?

And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[eyeswideopened]

6. yes it is...

There should be an investigation into the process and vote tabulation process.

[seventhson]

9. Cyanide

[Skip Intro]

7. Blasphemy!

I'd look out for lightining bolts if I were you.

[theboss]

8. Democrats apparently want Edwards over Dean too

Is that a scam too?

[Egnever]

13. I can understand Edwards

But not kerry for a second.

[GreenArrow]

23. what's the difference?

Kerry is more liberal than Edwards and they have largely identical pro-Bush baggage.

[AntiCoup2K4]

29. Identical pro bush baggage?

I wasn't aware that the criminals of Skull & Bones and PNAC were backing Edwards too. Too bad, I was considering voting for him if he were nominated.

(just kidding, Edwards supporters. I know he's not S&B/PNAC. Now if he would completely disavow the DLC, I would like him a lot more)

[GreenArrow]

33. If Edwards position on Iraq

doesn't strike you as being in sync with PNAC, you're simply not paying attention. Edwards is a classic hawk, who has not one iota of trouble with a US hegemony/empire.

[John_H]

10. LOL! I can't believe anyone with an IQ over 60 is a Republican, but

that's reality for ya....

[Hippo_Tron]

11. Well, Dean just happened to get noticed by the media...

While everybody else was building the momentum with less TV cameras.

[masshole]

12. did they use touch-screen voting machines

in AZ, MI, DE, NH, and IO ?
just kidding

Kerry has run a better campaign, hands-down. I originally supported Dean. I generally like a Governer's chances over a Senator's.
But I honestly believe Kerry has made himself the better candidate, the clear choice for Democrats to beat Bush in 2004.

[seventhson]

14. The Clear choice of the DLC/PNAC

you mean

[mitchum]

15. Kerry 2004

[curse10]

17. Maybe something is just fishy at DU

we all know we aren't a microcosm of the US. We aren't mainstream dems- far from it.

And maybe everyone is realizing that Dean ain't all that.

[ACPS65]

22. Something IS fishy here!!!

I saw a DU POLL on HERE JUST THE OTHER DAY and DEAN was WINNING!!!!

[Cleita]

18. I have misgivings about Kerry because of

the campaign funds he has received from lobbyists, because of the IWR and because of his Washington insider status. But somehow I knew deep down we would get the candidate they selected, not the one we the people did. It always happens, doesn't it? Clinton was not my first choice either.

**Now putting on flame resistant suit and beating a hasty retreat from this forum.**

[seaglass]

26. But who is the "we" you are talking about?

There are a lot of "we's" out here who both supported and voted for Kerry.

We the people are speaking right now, where it counts.

[mike1963]

20. Old man? He's 5 years older than Howard Dean. Hey I like both of them

and I'm older than EITHER. Sheesh. Maybe we oughta run Ashton Kutcher, he's young enough to know everything, right?
:eyes:

[BruinAlum]

21. More people are voting for Kerry because they like what they see

There is no conspiracy. You may not see it but many others do. I do, he has a very impressive record and I like how he comes across.

I get really tired of Dean supporters suggesting that people who support Kerry must be uninformed idiots being led around by their noses by the media and the only people who understand the issues and have any intelligence or principle support Dean. That's pretty presumptuous and insulting.

Dean is imploding. His negative tactics in Iowa hurt him and he's still using them even though they are backfiring. He's not even competing in the 7 states tonight, nor did he run any campaign ads. That was his choice, not the media's doing.

[iowapeacechief]

31. Still backfiring.

"Dean is imploding. His negative tactics in Iowa hurt him and he's still using them even though they are backfiring."


Looks worse than tactical.

[smiley_glad_hands]

24. Hey I support Clark---but you need to realize that

kerry appeals to a broader spectrum of democrats. The man won---give em some credit.

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. The media has trashed all the dem candidates

If a candidate can't overcome the character assassination that the media is going to do to them, then they certainly can't survive when W and Karl start their dirty tricks.

[Virgil]

27. It is highly orchestrated

The thing to know about Kerry is that he is the establishments candidate. Why do you think that the media is always reporting recommendations from beltway politicians. They will not take ten seconds to say he voted for the Patriot Act, the Tax cut bills, IWR. I myself do not know if he voted for the big pill bill, that was the beginning of dismantling Medicare and a bonanza for the HMo's, insurance companies, and pill companies. He did not oppose it but he may have abstained like in the $820 billion omnibus appropriations bill that ended overtime pay as we know it for 8 million American workers.

It is all show and mirrors. People are stuck on Kerry on electability and do not even know his policies. ABB is big here at DU, but in the outside world, "What is the difference" rules. I know Bush for the election-stealing war criminal he is and I will not vote for Kerry. But think of how the disinformation campaign from Bush will come with $200 million.

He will have people say Kerry is for NAFTA and people will say what is the use. His people will say Kerry voted for the tax cuts and people will say it is all rigged. His people will be telling the truth on the Kerry record and people will just throw up their hands and not vote.

Now I see it differently and if I express my view the Kerry people will say this is too damaging to Kerry and lock the thread or remove my comment.

But in summary, Kerry is the worst person to send out against Bush. I will not vote for him so what does that tell you. He should still beat Bush, but what will change. Like I said at cannabisnews.com, if the Democrats lose to the worst president ever, it is because they have the worst party ever.

People have talked about sheople, but you can see a herd mentality here at DU. The goat that is leading you to the slaughter is called electability. People should send out the candidate that will bring about the greatest common good. The Democrats should win, but in all sincerity you cannot count on an ABB philosopy outside of people on the Internet. You will not hear ABB on conglomerate media, but I can more than assure you that you will hear "What's the difference?"

[jansu]

32. The White House says...

that they would love to go up against Dean and they would hate to go up against Kerry!

Do they ever lie? And do you really think this would be the one time they tell the truth?

nuff said!

[kalian]

30. Like I stated elsewhere: NOBODY is concerned about election fraud...

in the primaries...nobody... :eyes:
Oh well...just remember, we're allowed to "play democracy" every so
often...

[hedgetrimmer]

34. yep ... me eyes wide open too... do you have any ketchup?

someone else has posted a very similiar thread... on this same bord something like, is bbv giving the white house to kerry?

[grasswire]

35. I think they're sowing chaos

Scarborough was pushing Edwards tonight, bigtime. I never saw the day when I'd see Eyeless Joe talking about voters choosing Edwards over Bush.