If Kerry is to Be Stopped

[NashVegas]

Either Clark or Dean is going to have to drop out, I suspect.

[TexasPatriot]

1. again

someone needs to get these 2 in a room

[NashVegas]

6. Aye

It would be sweet, wouldn't it?

I could live with a VP Dean if Clark were the nominee.

Look at these NM totals:

KERRY 7663 29%

CLARK 6391 24%

DEAN 6452 24%

[kalian]

2. Unfortunately, I don't believe anything will "stop" Kerry....

just won't happen. He has been ordained as a "player" and thus...he
will receive the nomination.
Strange how nobody is concerned about any voter fraud during the
"primaries"... :eyes:

[NNN0LHI]

16. I am always concerned with voter fraud. Got any evidence of some? n/t

[kalian]

23. Unfortunately no...but...

I find it peculiar how we blindly accept these "results" without
hesitation.
Just something to think about given the upstaging that Dean appears
to be experiencing...and to some extent Clark as well.

[Nicholas_J]

28. True

The south simply is not the United States, and while it is hard to win the election without the south, It is impossible to win it with only the south, and Kerry is going extrmerly well, leading with his nearest competitors being well behind him in the other states he has won tonight, but he is doing well compared to those he came in second place to tonight. Compare Edward and Clarks lead over Kerry where they have won tonight, but then compare how far these two cnadidates are behind Kerry in the places Kerry won tonight. There is really no comparison, considering how well Kerry did against two people running in their own home region, but Kerry far outdistancing them in areas where none of them were on their own home turf. Thats the real indication of electability. How well you can do in areas that are not your own home ground.

[ochazuke]

3. Or...

They stick around and attack Kerry for a week or two while Edwards stays above the fray.

[GreenArrow]

5. or they can stick around and start attacking Edwards

since he seems to be supplanting them in the favor of the media and, incredibly, the voting public.

[Emboldened Chimp]

4. I thought this was about stopping BUSH?

And I, for one, think that Kerry can be the one to do it. Dean's been my guy all along, but Kerry will be the nominee and he will beat Whistle Ass.

[David Dunham]

7. the jfk express has now pulled out of the station

[AntiCoup2K4]

26. PLEASE stop referring to Kerry as "jfk"

I don't care if it's his initials, you seriously dishonor the memory of a truly great leader when you do that. John Kerry will never be President at all, but even if he were, he would never compare to John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

[mitchum]

29. Damn, we agree on something!

I have no use for Saint Jack, so I am certainly annoyed by the identical initials.
Some night, huh?
Kerry 2004

[girl gone mad]

8. I thought it was about..

more than just stopping Bush. I thought it was about finding the best person to take the office.

[BruinAlum]

12. And most people believe that's Kerry. Get it?

[Egnever]

20. Unfortunately most exit polls

Only show most people think he has the best chance of beating bush.

A mojority of them seem to show he doesnt represent them best.

[BruinAlum]

31. That is not true.

That's only one question being covered in the exit polls, and it's not the highest priority with most voters either.

[krkaufman]

38. Actually, no

Exit polls are regularly showing that people are voting for whom they think others will vote for, and not the candidate they like the best. And a big factor in their decision is the media coverage, the polls and previous primary rounds. (Like it or not.)

One loser tonight is Kerry, as his invincibility and inevitability has been vaporized. Thumped in SC with a distant 2nd, and 3rd place in Oklahoma. All this with maximum positive free press flowing for him.

With Kerry not sweeping tonight, he'll need to win all 3 of the primaries remaining this week to get back to the momentum he had after Iowa/New Hampshire.

[bigtree]

9. Point is

the longer this thing goes on the more everyone gets nicked. No gentleman's match from now on I fear.

[krkaufman]

39. Except for Clark

I expect Clark to continue running a fact-based, issues campaign.

[BruinAlum]

10. Kerry is the choice of most voters so far. Kerry can also beat Bush.

Let the people's choice prevail. That's how democracy works.

It's Bush we want to stop.

[Dagaz]

14. I agree but then again I like Kerry

There are some who have some problems with his stand on some issues so I respect that they don't lhim much like I wouldn't want Dean.

Some non liberal issues for Kerry:

1. Pro NAFTA/Free Trade
2. Against Gay marriage
3. Military/War? which vote?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. 2. Against Gay marriage?

For civil unions..check out his site

[Dagaz]

19. Yes for civil unions

Which I agree with but I was just saying that some want more. I actually think this helps his electability.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

32. You have to give Kerry credit, when challenged on DOMA, he steps up

and gives a vigorous defense of civil liberties - that's the way to frame the debate, because that is the way people who really do object can find a way towards tolerance. Americans - even homophobes - believe in civil liberties.

[sandnsea]

17. gay marriage

Who exactly has been willing to say they support gay marriage 100%? Clark, Dean, Edwards??? No.

Kerry has actually staked a position on it and actually has a vote, DOMA, that is going to be used to say he is FOR gay marriage. Funny how people see things sometimes.

[BruinAlum]

21. Apparently the people voting for him don't take exception to those issues

They are voting for him, aren't they? That's evidence enough.

I've resolved the issues I have with his war votes. He is for civil unions for gays. I don't know enough about the finer details of NAFTA to comment.

The mistake that I see a lot is boiling these issues down to a one sentence, black and white pro or con issue, and many of these issues and the circumstances and environments surrounding the votes are very complicated and should be taken into consideration, along with the history of the issues. I don't claim to understand all of it, but I won't dismiss a candidate over one issue either.

[zoeyfong]

33. They don't know about it; they're voting for him because he's pro-war.

That's what's the really sad thing. Wait till Rove gets a hold of kerry.

[lastknowngood]

11. Or team up as pres and vp

that would unite the real grass roots in both camps against the political and media machine. That would be a force to reckon with.

[AntiCoup2K4]

13. Not drop out, team up.

It's just a question of the timing.

[TexasPatriot]

18. it needs to be tomorrow

steal the thunder of the other campaigns... take the news cycle.

[Egnever]

22. YES please!

Dean/Clark Clark/Dean I dont friggin care at this point just please for the love of god dont make me vote for kerry!

[countmyvote4real]

24. Media bias/coverage is manipulating the "choice" for the

Democratic candidate. Right now they are choosing to favor Kerry with special mentions to Edwards.

But I swear the media can't wait to bring them down when they are eventually squared off against *. Their * blind spot will takeover and they'll humiliate the nominee they told us to select.

Now is not the time to vote ABB.

[zoeyfong]

34. Exactly right.

[krkaufman]

40. Don't just blame the media... blame the Dem Party establishment, too

Feeling left out? Don't just blame the media. Send your thanks to Terry McAuliffe and the Democratic Party establishment.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20020121&s=nichols
comment | Posted January 3, 2002
Primary Predicament
by John Nichols

[John_H]

25. Dean is playing with his supporters. He's zip for nine. He can't win.

[mitchum]

30. Shhh...

[frustrated_lefty]

27. For tonight, leave it

Expounding on defeating Kerry comes off as sour grapes. He and Edwards did very well, they and, more importantly, their supporters deserve their day in the sun. They did remarkably well.

On the morrow, let's talk. ;)

[theboss]

35. Well, I don't think any candidate should be "stopped"

But you are right in the sense that as long as there is a crowded field, Kerry is going to dominate. He's going to win or finish second pretty much everywhere and rack up delegates while the other three fight for the scraps. By the time it becomes one-on-one, he's going to have a huge lead.

[PretzelWarrior]

36. JFK will win the nomination even if both stay in til they owe

millions of $$$ to Fleet Boston.

[krkaufman]

37. As I've posted elsewhere....

As I've posted elsewhere, I prefer to focus on winning in November -- and the candidate BEST qualified to do that remains Wes Clark. (early delegates and puff polls, notwithstanding)

Clark has mad credentials relative to the other 3 top candidates; the only things slowing him down is media resistance to his threatening candidacy, Edwards' run for the Vice-Presidency, and Dean's rightful fight for his supporters.

[bushwakker]

41. Bush has to be stopped

and John Kerry is the man to do it.