Howard Dean supporters give John Kerry flip-flops as Christmas gift

[Khephra]

Howard Dean supporters give John Kerry flip-flops as Christmas gift


DES MOINES -- Howard Dean supporters gave John Kerry a peculiar Christmas gift -- flip-flop sandals.

Iowans for Dean delivered the "present" to the Massachusetts senator's Iowa campaign headquarters on Wednesday. Both Dean and Kerry are among nine candidates seeking the Democratic presidential nomination.

"Sen. Kerry has been flip-flopping on issues throughout his career and campaign, and we thought we could make things a little more comfortable for him," said Dean spokeswoman Sarah Leonard.

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[TrueAmerican]

1. That is low

Unless Howard Dean does not condemn the actions of his supporters, I will not vote for him in November if he is nominated.

Of course I am from California and he should win it handily, but it's the principal of it all.

[SadEagle]

3. Then you better not vote for Clark either.

Since his campaign's chicken-wings present for Kerry campaign was exactly on the same issue.
edit: add the missing "campaign's" after his. Sorry.

[TrueAmerican]

4. It's not the same thing.

The chicken wings were an obvious innocent joke. The Flip Flops were a full frontal attack.

[bitchkitty]

20. Different how?

Were the flip flops the wrong size or something?

[TLM]

51. LOL!!! Seems Clark supporters have two sets of standards

one for Clark and one for Dean.


Clark can do no wrong and Dean can't do no right.

Didn't you get the memo?

[He loved Big Brother]

29. LOL

"The chicken wings were an obvious innocent joke. The Flip Flops were a full frontal attack."

The more I read that statement, the more hilarious it becomes. :D

[Padraig18]

39. isn't that the truth?

I've never seen a singularly more absurd statement in this forum--- and he said it with a straight face, too! :P

[mouse7]

35. Oh Come On!

It's the exact same thing!

[Raya]

7. Every FLAW Dean has He Tars other with the SAME.

Flip-Flops
Bush-Lite
Politics-as-Usual

All Dean features but he slimes his opponents with the same
charges.

[TrueAmerican]

10. That's the same tactic Bush uses

I guess it works. Sadly.

[Forkboy]

14. You two wouldn't last a second in Mass politics

[bearfartinthewoods]

44. there is a line from "the Who" that's stuck in my mind lately

"meet the new boss...same as the old boss."

so we try and beat a bush with a brush....we are so screwed.

[Hep]

77. Wow

Will you please say whether or not you think Bush = Dean? Because that's precisely what you post suggests.

[TLM]

52. Changing a position over 10 years is not a flip flop

changing a position over 10 days is... like saying you made a mistake trusting Bush on Iraq, then after Saddam is captured saying you made the right choice and taking credit for the capture.

[liberalnurse]

12. I think this was a fair, harmelss and fun

tactic; similiarly to what we may do locally or at college. I can visualize the two camps getting to know eachother and ultimately seeing the spirit of the campaigns as festive.

A good, belly laugh no doubt could be heard from both camps.

[TrueAmerican]

17. So you admit it was a cheap college prank

thank you.

[KittyWampus]

26. Lighten Up, I'm sure The Kerry People Will Figure Somthing Fun

To reciprocate with. Wonder what they'll do...
:)

[maddezmom]

28. I'm sure you are correct

and I look forward to seeing what the Kerry campaign sends next. Maybe a ping pong table or something along those lines. j/k :)

[virtualobserver]

60. Go Bush!

I guess that is what you are saying.

[Monte Carlo]

2. Someone should send Dean's campaign a cross...

... so they can nail themselves to it. He is here to save the world from all its sin, after all.

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[NewYorkerfromMass]

23. Merry Christmas Monte

you good. :hi: very good. :)

[Scott Lee]

37. Somebody should send Kerry's campaign money...

that would be a present he doesn't get much these days.

[windansea]

6. heh!!

this is revenge for the donut holes

[Forkboy]

16. see,that's funny too

people really need to lighten up.

[maddezmom]

24. payback for the waffles!

it's all in good fun of politics. :)

[Forkboy]

25. Exactly

getting all upset over this stuff is just silly.Even the candidates see the humor in it.

Of course,if there's one you'll notice here at DU it's that many supporters have ZERO sense of humor when it's directed at their guy.

[JI7]

8. donut holes for dean

hehhe

[retyred]

9. Giving only one pair of dean flip-flops is misleading

unless he has a disclaimer stating this is only one pair of dean flip-flops from a list of many?





retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
So I read this book

[WiseMen]

11. Does Dean Know another Senator more Principlled & Consistent than Kerry

The phonyness and arrogance of the Dean campaign is really beyond the pale.

Dean is defined by Flip-Flops, Yet he charges other of Flip-Flopping
Dean was Know as an "Eisenhower Republican" yet he rants about the DLC as the "Republican Wing" of the Party.

Dean of the "I like George Bush, he is a good Guy" fame, slams others for giving the President the benefit of the doubt on IWR.

It leaves folks speechless. That is perhaps the intend. Like GWB, Dean sadly seems to be the master of the grand deception -- and we are going to be stuck with the bill.

[Scott Lee]

13. Wasn't that pro-IWR vote principled as hell! Oh yeah baby!

That was a good enough dose of Kerry's "principles" for me - and a great reason not to support him.

[Forkboy]

15. No shit

how many dead civilians and soldiers are there again thanks to Kerry's principles?

[polpilot]

19. Kerry's failed pro-war platform crashed his campaign before it started.

His attack of the statesman Dean was unprincipled and low. But it's time to welcome the Kerry camp to the fall festivities of the Dean v. Bush political knockout. Rove wants Dean like a hernia operation. Rove sees the power of the good doctor when swatting back other wannabes and knows EVERY punch he throws at Bush will stick.

Dean '04...

[NewYorkerfromMass]

33. every punch he throws at Bush will stick? ...like AWOL? Saddam?

whatever... those 2 punches can't be thrown by Dean.

[polpilot]

34. Dean ONLY throws connecting punches...your examples are misguided

and would never be considered. AWOL? Saddam?? refer these to loser camps.

Dean '04...

[Monte Carlo]

59. Connecting punches? Is that what you call them?

Because I don't think the Bush Administration has felt any of them.

[polpilot]

69. It's December 26, 2003.

Dean has spectacularly ELIMINATED the annointed democratic frontrunners. Do you really believe that is lost on the Bush opposition?? Do you REALLY believe experienced policos aren't taking notice??

Dean '04...

[sandnsea]

61. Which is why Bush is rising in the polls?

Because Dean's punches really connect? The writing is already on the wall, if you people would open your eyes and read it. Nobody gives a rats ass what Howard Dean has to say. He has absolutely NO credibility on anything. We were making progress against Bush when Kerry was out in front and he was taking it to Bush. All that progress is gone. Think about it.

[polpilot]

70. And NOBODY notices what an excellent candidate Kerry is?? That's

the basis of your support???? That nobody understands his greatness??

Dean '04...

[sleipnir]

31. He is guilty of crimes and he knows it.

His murder of Iraq will not go away, no matter how hard he tries.

[goobergunch]

18. I believe Dean knows Feingold (n/t)

[Forkboy]

22. Ouch

good one :)

[AnnabelLee]

50. Zing!

goobergunch, you make some of the most delightful posts on this forum. :toast:

[blm]

64. Russ Feingold exposed more government corruption than ANY lawmaker

in modern history?

Wow...I like Feingold, but I didn't think he went after corruption HALF as much as John Kerry did. Maybe you can fill us in?

[Scott Lee]

66. Well let's hear your side. Describe how much "corruption"

Kerry exposed in DC. I'd be interested to see the list.

[blm]

74. HAHAHAH...you have GOT to be kidding.

How old are you?

Did you think BCCI, IranContra and CIA drugrunning were exposed on their own? Kerry lifted those rocks and most of DC turned against him, including Dems. While Kerry was exposing corruption in the Reagan-Bush administration, Al Gore was getting the headlines for his hearings on dirty song lyrics.

[Padraig18]

40. It must be nice to see the world in black and white terms.

:eyes:

[TLM]

54. Didn't Kerry send ZERO bars to Clark?

How arrogant of Kerry... right?

"Dean of the "I like George Bush, he is a good Guy" fame, slams others for giving the President the benefit of the doubt on IWR."


Why is it that when kerry supporters quote Dean, they ar always afraid to post links? If the quotes were accurate, why would the folks be so afraid of readers seeing the context?

[hellhathnofury]

75. If only we had Eisenhower's resume.

[Hep]

78. I know of more than a dozen

who voted against IWR. So yeah.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Certainly seems to be appropriate for an ex-anti-warrior.

n/t

[Scott Lee]

27. I think sending some waffles to him would have been more apropos

You know, all done up holiday style.

Bon apetit, John.

[He loved Big Brother]

32. Good idea.

Send some doormats to Lieberman while we're at it.

[SahaleArm]

43. LOL - That's what Kerry should send back

Leggo my Eggo: http://www.wafflepoweredhoward.com

[He loved Big Brother]

62. Kerry is just as much of a doormat

Still too timid to raise a "fuss" about how he, with false evidence, was tricked into voting for the IWR. If I were Kerry, you'd be hearing about how pissed I was at Bush's lying to me to gain my vote, and even more about how pissed I was at myself that someone like like Bush could fool me.

I want a President who was at lest smart enough to not believe a word Bush said...I mean, come on...Voting "yes" on the PATRIOT ACT? And afterwards you think you deserve to be President? You don't even deserve to be a representative of the Dem party!

Is it too much to ask that whomever sits in the Oval Office not have a record that includes basically condoning the nullifying of the Bill Of Rights??

Between being so daft as to fall for for Bush's lies when a toddler could see through him, to voting to suspend a good portion of the Bill of Rights, I think the result would be a person who is not deserving of the office of President of the USA.

And that is why I will not vote for Hillary if she ever chose to run. As overdue as we are for a woman president, we are more overdue for some of our freedoms to be re-instilled.

Thanks for your pro-Bush-agenda votes, Hil! You really showed us how much you truly dislike that vast right-wing conspiracy!

[Scott Lee]

67. He can wear his flip flops to return the package

And then dream up several reasons to state for the return, never settling on one.

[oasis]

30. Dean staffers deserve a giant flip-off for their flop of a joke.

:_|_:

[Forkboy]

36. I thought it was funny

And I bet if someone had sent them to Dean you would have to.

[oasis]

38. Even if someone would send Dr. Dean a pair of new snow skis would I think

it laughable.

[bearfartinthewoods]

45. only if it came with a back brace and was wrapped in xrays

[oasis]

47. To keep in the spirit of the original post I feel compeled to add a

:7

[He loved Big Brother]

58. Well....

My post here regarding compulsory military service- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=892088#894281

My dream from age ten and on was to go into the USAF, but I changed my mind when I was 16 for humanitarian reasons...

I have a bad knee that got me taken off the track team my first year of high school. However, I stayed in JROTC all through high school because I had hope...because would my knee have kept me out of the military? By age 18, probably not. It would now for sure, but I still do everything I would do anyway, bad knee or no bad knee.

BUT, as a young man facing slavery...excuse me, compulsory military service in a unjust war, would I have played my bad knee up for all it was worth to keep me from having to participate in this gross violation of my rights as an American? Yes. Sometimes the government is wrong, and the draft was one of those times.

Would I have halted my personal pursuit of happiness as guaranteed to me in the Bill of Rights afterwards by going skiing (instead of killing innocents)?

Most definitely not.






edited to add link*

[jumptheshadow]

48. It's great that the candidates are into physical fitness

Clark likes swimming. And we all know that Dean skis.

[AWD]

41. That's excellent

I think we should send him a nice breakfast to go with them.

Waffles and 2% milk.

He'll understand the waffles, and his pollsters can explain the 2% to him again.

[amyforclark04]

42. Funny

As Dean has waffled the most out of any candidate.

Don't you guys get it!?!

[TLM]

55. Sorry amy no... we're all just too dumb to understand that we should

support the war criminal of kosovo, republican fundraiser, corporate whore, defense lobbyist, Iraq war supporting, then opposing, then supporting again, and then opposing again, never held a public office, never won a campaign, McGovern sequel known as Wesley Clark.


It is like a bunch of republicans got together an asked how can we drive even more of the democratic base out of the party... I know we'll run a fucking defense lobbyist who thinks Reagan was a truly great leader and who killed 1500 civilians in kosovo.

THat should make sure there's not a single damn liberal left in the democratic party come election time.

[SayitAintSo]

46. For Dean ... A bottle of Rebel Yell, a confederate flag, and oh yeah....

one of those "FORGET HELL ...." license plates to go on his pick-up truck.... you know, the one with the GUN RACK ?

<Beats them sissy flip flops any day ..>

:)

[Scott Lee]

68. ..don't forget the "Dean leads Clark 3:1 in the South"......

Let's make sure and keep our facts straight.

[SayitAintSo]

79. In your dreams big boy ....

:crazy:

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[SayitAintSo]

53. Excuse me .... but are you in the wrong thread ?

Just curious ... you seem to be new here ... :)

[TLM]

56. More of the same desperate crap...

from the folks trying to argue that Dean is jst as bad as the cowards who voted for the blank check for Bush in Iraq because Biden Lugar was just the same thing...

Well sorry but the ACLU says otherwise... as did Kerry. BUt then Kerry flip floped on that position.


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, October 2, 2002

WASHINGTON - The American Civil Liberties Union today said that a bipartisan Senate compromise on a resolution allowing the President to use force to oust Saddam Hussein is far more faithful to the Constitution than the blank check resolution being lobbied for by the White House.

"Thankfully, this compromise embodies the lessons learned from the Gulf of Tonkin incident," said Timothy Edgar, an ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Granting the President a blank check to engage in overseas adventures is a recipe for human tragedy. This compromise resolution acknowledges those lessons."

In its letter to the Senate, the ACLU reiterated that it is neutral on whether the United States should go to war. However, it told the Senate that it remains firm in its conviction that the Constitutional obligations on Congress to make decisions about war need to be respected, especially with foreign policy questions of this magnitude.

The new resolution, negotiated by Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Joseph Biden (D-DE) and Former Chairman Richard Lugar (R-IN), eliminates most of the similarities between the resolution the President wanted and the disastrous Gulf of Tonkin resolution, which led to a decade-long morass in which tens of thousands of Americans lost their lives.

Specifically, the Biden-Lugar compromise:

Clearly identifies the enemy. The proposed resolution closes the door to regional adventures in the Middle East. Under the proposed compromise, the President would have to seek additional Congressional authorization if he wished to widen the conflict in the region.

Spells out clear military objectives. Congress would hold a tight leash on the current conflict. This would be in marked contrast to its role in the Vietnam War, which was lost in part because of nebulous war aims. The Biden-Lugar compromise realizes the folly of sending troops into harm's way without delineating the specific military objectives to be accomplished.

Reaffirms the American conviction that war-making power should lie with the people. In contrast with the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, the Biden-Lugar compromise would respect the ongoing prerogatives of Congress during military engagement. The Constitution demands that American military decisions involving the use of force rest only with the people's representatives in Congress.

The ACLU's letter on the Biden-Lugar compromise can be found at:
http://archive.aclu.org/congress/l100202a.html

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[mitchum]

63. Oh fuck! I forgot to send Howard a pair of Ace Frehley's old platform...

boots. I always try give something than someone can really use.

[maddezmom]

65. LOL :)

[Octafish]

71. Kerry should give Dean a Ski Pass.

A Ski Pass would remind Dean of how his bad back miraculously recovered just after getting a draft deferment. Truly a season for thanks -- ski season.

[Hippo_Tron]

72. I'm sure Kerry thought it was hillarious...

Gotta love this kinda thing.

[RetroLounge]

73. Hee hee

Didn't Kerry send out waffles earlier in the campaign?

Good to see at least some of those here on DU remember how to laugh...

[in_cog_ni_to]

76. The Kerry camp

should send the Dean camp a case of BIBLES. That way they can all "brush" up on Jesus and the scriptures. You know, get Howard ready for his evangelical tour.

I think I'll email the Kerry campaign and suggest that.