Is this WAR?

[redqueen]

One Mr. Marshall of the DLC has just outed himself as a branch of the PNAC crowd.

All DLC-backed candidates told bush 'I got yer back', believing or pretending to believe the lies and hype about the WMD threat from Iraq, and voting for the IWR.

The vastly corrupt soft-money system was ushered in under the administration of DLC darling Bill Clinton.

We're now being told by all manner of 'experts' and supposedly knowledgable people that the only way to win elections is money, money, money. Nothing about ideas. Nothing about progress. Nothing about real change for the better. Just donate some money and STFU.


I'm beginning to think it's already too late. Two of the three frontrunners are DLC-approved. Two others have tenuous ties to the same organization.

Is it too late? Have corporations taken control completely? All signs seem to point to YES.


on edit: There is also a new direction in the party - refrain from defending civil rights for gays, support global corporate rule via WTO & NAFTA, end our duty to support the less fortunate (Welfare Reform), etc. etc. etc.

Things are not well with this party. Not at all.

[GreenArrow]

1. "Have corporations taken control completely?"

Of course. Was there ever any doubt? Nothing new here; it's just becoming more crystalized, finalized and visible.

[redqueen]

2. Okay, follow-up question: Does anybody give a s$&#?

I'm really starting to wonder. I know some do... but...

[GreenArrow]

4. For the most part, NO

and there's nothing new there, either.

[redqueen]

6. *sigh*

What a fool I was to have expected that 8 years of Republicrat rule and 4 years of fascism would make a difference.

:cry:

[GreenArrow]

13. but consider,

why would they care when they can have SOMA?

[maxr4clark]

20. Yes, most of us do.

We just disagree about what should be done, by whom, and how long it will take.

Personally, the thing that I think is most important is a more progressive tax code, and reinstatement of the estate tax. Without those corrections, the rich will get richer faster and faster, and the rest of us will have less and less voice in our "democracy". I like Clark's tax proposal best for exactly that reason.

[dawgman]

3. We are at the end times of our Republic. Too much shit is coming down

the pipeline in the next five to twenty years for us to be able to stand much longer.

[girl gone mad]

5. How will it..

end?

[dawgman]

8. Bloody grab for whatever is left is my guess.

Seizures of power and police state at the behest of "victimized" corporations.

[GreenArrow]

10. some say ice, some say fire

The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

[Mairead]

25. Fire and Ice

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.

But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To know that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.

[Iverson]

27. Good old Robert Frost

One can do worse than be a swinger of birches.
:hi:

[redqueen]

12. Check the way the working class lives in '3rd world' countries

or 'developing' nations.

Say goodbye to the American middle class.

[dawgman]

15. Well maybe I can go be a hermit.

[MGKrebs]

7. Marshall's actually been outed for a while.

You can go to the PNAC site and see his name on some of their policy documents. and I have personally confirmed through email that it is the same Will Marshall.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqstatement-031903.htm

[dawgman]

9. How wonderful to know that PNAC was a bi-partisan effort

[redqueen]

14. How sad to know that Democratic voters enable the perpetrators.

Infuriating is more like it, though.

:mad:

[Indiana_Dem]

11. I care and I know.....

so you're not alone. I've seen a change in the ideals of this party since I've been born in 1964. Maybe not the base supporters but of many of the candidates that run. You wouldn't think a party that supports labor unions would've endorsed and supported NAFTA and GATT, etc., now would you? I saw the writing on the wall back then and I couldn't figure out why the Democrat party would ever support such a thing but I thought maybe it's not as bad as I'm thinking. Come to find out---it is as bad as I thought. I should've gone with my gut feeling.

No things aren't right with this party but right now it's all we have to combat what's in office right now. I've decided I'm just worried about getting this administration out of office now and then I'll worry about changing things from the inside when we get in. It's about all people like us can do without resorting to civil unrest and war. If things don't improve or if our situation worsens in the next 20 years, I'm afraid of what might transpire.

Even more frightening is the thought that the establishment would pacify the lower classes with a stable enough economy that nobody will wake up. I can't quite figure it out yet. Either they are reaching for an atmosphere of anarchy in order to attain their goals or they want to just pacify us enough to keep us sleeping in our present state of existence.

Who knows. All I am doing is keeping my eyes open to everything that is going on. That's all I can do.

[MoonRiver]

16. Let me just say that your agenda is NOT my agenda.

My agenda is getting a monster out of WE THE PEOPLE'S stolen office of the president, and restoring this country to a civilized state. The way to start this process is by electing a Democratic president. We also have to take back the Senate and eventually the House, but I'm focusing on the presidency right now.

Your agenda seems to be much more sublime. While I can appreciate philosophical argements as much as the next person, I think this country is in a state of crisis, and needs immediate life support to survive. I'll wait to refine the niceties of our party until we're free from this rightwing fascist coup.

[lostnfound]

17. I respect your comments and

I halfway agree, but the root cause of "this rightwing fascist coup" is corporate greed, which has consolidated all power to itself, so that it may rewrite laws, wage wars to stimulate demand and secure resources, and keep control over the people.

Nonetheless, ABB.

[MoonRiver]

19. I understand and agree.

Right now I have to daily fight off the fear regarding what I see coming down in 9 months if Jr. gets another 4. We're looking at political triage here.

[rucky]

23. Apparently, the coup is not limited to the rightwing.

[dawgman]

24. the problem with that statement being that one of the largest problems

facing the country is foreign policy and the doctrine of preemption. One of the leaders of the so-called "opposition party" is in cahoots with the bad guys on those very same problems. What does that leave us with?

[Iverson]

18. It's a little like the class war ...

Only the rich and powerful are doing the fighting.

[anarchy1999]

21. It is never too late!

www.reclaimdemocracy.org

Take it back. Corporations are not persons!!!

We can take it back. Is it going to be easy? NO!

Will it require effort? Yes!

Look for inspiration, "our Founding Fathers", Eugene Debs, General Butler, JFK, RKF, Martin Luther, Ghandi........and the list goes on

[rucky]

22. WILL KERRY (or any other Democrat) Denounce This Article?

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=252289&kaid=450004&subid=900

discussed on This thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=274595&mesg_id=274595

[Mairead]

26. Bet Kucinich would!