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Democrats unite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:27 PM Original message |
No one has yet to dispute this argument. |
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AndyP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. agreed |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. They shouldnt get a pass because people like kucinich saw through it |
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absyntheNsugar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. Don't give them a pass |
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Democrats unite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. At least with Bush i know my enemy! |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 11:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
41. That's a strange thing to say - |
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Democrats unite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. My handle is just fine |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 06:40 AM Response to Reply #44 |
61. No, you just called Kerry and Edwards Republicans... |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
68. Bullshit. |
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Alopenia (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. You are absolutely correct on this point |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
5. I guess the part that really stings is the disrespect they showed... |
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zoeyfong (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 09:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
86. I want to puke every time i hear kerry criticise Bush on the war. |
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LosinIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 04:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
110. Robert Byrd, the wise elder statesman |
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lastknowngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
7. If 500,000 protesters on the mall in Washington and |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 11:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
42. they weren't dumb |
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For PaisAn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 12:21 AM Response to Reply #42 |
96. Exactly |
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HFishbine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
8. Edwards has made it quite clear that he wasn't mislead |
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maddezmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. could you please post the link? |
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HFishbine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 10:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
36. Sorry for the delay |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. That is just it. |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 01:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
100. My problem with this argument |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
119. I hope he misspoke. |
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lancdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
9. A vote for IWR wasn't a vote for the way Bush ended up |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
69. More Kerry-Style "Nuance" |
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zoeyfong (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 09:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
87. Oh, get real. We all know what that vote was about. |
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Calico4000 (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 11:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
128. Wrong |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 11:11 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Hi Calico4000 |
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Democrats unite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
10. Wow seems like some people are avoiding this thread... |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
11. Yep, I agree with you completely |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. do not become divided |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
13. It's not an argument it is a false characterization |
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Democrats unite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. false characterization? |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. If you want to have a discussion with people who disagree with you, |
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Democrats unite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I made a statement care to refute it? |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. No, you set up a strawman. |
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Democrats unite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. So then it is safe to assume we should hold them accountable |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
50. Of course you should hold everyone accountable for everything they do. |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Does it have to be a direct quote? |
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Democrats unite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. This persons candidates hand has been caught in the cookie jar |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:57 AM Response to Reply #22 |
53. The strawman: |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 02:18 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Or, Fallacy of Weak Induction > Fallacy of Presumption |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 06:34 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. speaking of straw men ... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 08:57 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. You've been given answers |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 09:00 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. We have? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 09:00 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Deleted message |
Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. reply/answer confusion |
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maxr4clark (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Nope |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
16. they weren't "misled" |
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maxr4clark (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
23. I think you meant |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
25. Why didnt Clark speak up |
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Democrats unite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Clark did speak up. |
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roddaddy (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Clark did speak up? |
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Mobius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:30 AM Response to Reply #28 |
46. LINKS? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
83. See it in his own words |
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faithfulcitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 01:35 AM Response to Reply #28 |
103. ah, here ya go! |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:44 AM Response to Reply #26 |
49. Gen. Clark has (had) no problem with Sen. Kerry's IWR vote |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:55 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. fixed link to Clark article |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 11:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Because once the "boots were on the ground" and Clark's |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 06:57 AM Response to Reply #39 |
63. You're right Wes Clark |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:27 PM Response to Reply #63 |
80. Way to miss the point, there, Bowens43. |
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faithfulcitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 01:40 AM Response to Reply #63 |
105. get real dude |
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maxr4clark (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 02:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
58. Here's a set of links to statements made by Clark. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
27. Bush was actively deceiving. Some believed it, while others didn't |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:07 AM Response to Reply #27 |
43. "I've been on record for disliking Dean for a very long time" |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 02:27 AM Response to Reply #43 |
57. Do you think Kerry's a Republican? |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
72. You're right about that. |
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Northwind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
29. Damn straight |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
30. Hear Hear! Questions needed to be asked and they weren't. |
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Liberal_Andy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
32. You cannot be arguing that had Edwards or Kerry been President... |
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Democrats unite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 09:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. They voted for it didn't they? |
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Liberal_Andy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 09:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Give them a pass? They didn't invade and occupy Iraq! |
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Democrats unite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:21 AM Response to Reply #35 |
45. Well if they can be used so easily when the WORLD was telling... |
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tobius (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 10:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. This is good |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
34. Actually, we're probably really giving Edwards and Kerry a pass on this |
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elsiesummers (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
76. AP, agree. But Edwards represents conservative NC constituency. Kerry? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
37. What crap. The misleading was only part of it. Bush dissed Congress |
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hedgetrimmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 11:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. There is no "crap" the senators in question gave the power that belongs |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:29 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. No one handed anything over. You are just wrong on the facts. |
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hedgetrimmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
77. Lets begin the sword fight of language. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 10:14 PM Response to Reply #77 |
90. Hard to argue with the ACLU |
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hedgetrimmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 11:46 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. O.K so bush broke mandates... where the hell is the screaming? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 12:59 AM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Look. We don't know the nature and amount of 'evidence' that was presented |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 01:23 AM Response to Reply #93 |
101. I hate to remind you that Wellstone voted for the Patriot Act. |
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D G (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
48. You know, I must have missed that memo - |
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DebJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:51 AM Response to Original message |
51. misled or for other reasons, Kerry/Edwards were wrong. I want someone |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 02:14 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. This is not the same as all of that |
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politick (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 05:12 AM Response to Reply #54 |
111. your arguments |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 12:16 PM Response to Reply #111 |
116. I assure you |
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For PaisAn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 09:02 AM Response to Reply #54 |
112. from your homepage |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 12:28 PM Response to Reply #112 |
117. Wow, someone actually visited my web site! |
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For PaisAn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 02:05 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Beautiful |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. :) |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 11:38 PM Response to Reply #117 |
130. Rumi rocks |
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tobius (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 02:15 AM Response to Original message |
55. 2 Iraq votes |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
59. Bush should get some of the blame don't you think? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 06:46 AM Response to Original message |
62. What you are suggesting is handing the presidency to Bush again |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Hand it to Bush "again"? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 07:00 PM Response to Reply #70 |
82. Yeah, "again" |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
71. The cries of the 500 soliders who have died in vain have been muffled |
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Kimber Scott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 11:45 PM Response to Reply #71 |
92. Who killed them? |
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milkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
73. Excellent point. They are making the same argument as |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:54 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. i agree i am not giving kerry or edwards a pass for not having a spine |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
75. So who was it that declared war? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
78. Good post, and I would like to make one more disturbing point |
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hedgetrimmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:27 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. The Democratic Republic actually is when the person takes office |
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For PaisAn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 12:27 AM Response to Reply #78 |
97. My faxes and calls to Schumer & Clinton |
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milkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
79. The worst thing is that they have given bush* cover for |
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jpgpenn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
84. I wouldn't say "directly responsible" but indirectly yes. |
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zoeyfong (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
85. Right, we're just supposed to overlook it in order to win. |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
88. "I've Said It Both Ways" |
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gate of the sun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
89. It's not as of Kerry and Edwards |
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TheDonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 12:12 AM Response to Reply #89 |
94. Edwards and Kerry are a whole helluva lot more |
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gate of the sun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 08:52 PM Response to Reply #94 |
125. So if you don't support Kerry and Edwards |
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Samantha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
91. I totally agree with your post and I am not supporting either of them |
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HoosierClarkie (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
95. I agree. |
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For PaisAn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
98. No one has disputed this one either |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 01:23 AM Response to Reply #98 |
102. Um, Actually Kerry Was Extremely Clear That There Was No Imminent Threat |
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For PaisAn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 01:36 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Thanks for the correction |
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TacticalPeek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 02:01 AM Response to Original message |
106. Yes, shame on them, verily. |
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tobius (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 02:52 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Expediency |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 02:59 AM Response to Original message |
108. I support Kerry but DO NOT give him a pass on IWR... |
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jmags (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 04:30 AM Response to Original message |
109. There is no rebuttal to your argument |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
113. You seem to be forgetting a critical point |
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bearfartinthewoods (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
114. you have an odd attitude, considering your screen name |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
118. It can't be disputed. |
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CalProf (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. You're missing a critical difference |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 09:23 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. I see your point, of course |
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frustrated_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
121. Funny how they waffle |
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Upfront (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
122. Amen! |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-07-04 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
126. True, dat! |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-08-04 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
131. I agree 100%! |
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