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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 09:10 PM
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Any numbers from Washington state?
Is it close at all? Is Dean still fighting there or is he campaigning in Wisconsin?

If Dean contests Washington and can't win I feel he should call it a day. I don't see why he'd do better in Wisconsin.
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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 09:18 PM
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1. Kick for curiosity
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Exgeneral Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 09:20 PM
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2. I have friends on the Dean campaign phoning like mad
They seem confident that they will win some delegates.

I'm doing the same for Clark
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oxymoron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 09:24 PM
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3. Just found these.
Still looking for a direct link:

"In Washington, where 76 delegates are up for grabs in caucuses Saturday, independent Seattle pollster Stuart Elway’s latest figures showed that 40 percent of Democrats supported Kerry, while 13 percent backed Dean".

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4160281/

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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 09:35 PM
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4. Oooch
But that isn't a *real* poll, apparently.

A lot can still happen in a caucus.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:16 PM
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5. They are at:
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 04:28 PM by Nicholas_J

Stuart Elway 1/27-29 MoE 5.5%

Kerry 40%
Dean 13%


http://www.dcpoliticalreport.com/CurrentPolls.htm

And:

http://www.elwayresearch.com/ElwayPoll/

But you have to be a subscriber to get the results directly from the pollster:

In todays Tacoma paper Elway is reported making the statements that Washinton voters tend to go for the underdog, yet Washington polls seem to indicate that Kerry has a very large lead over Dean, which indicates that it is likely Deans months of being way in the lead have people still vierwing him not as the underdopg, but the recent leader of the pack.


Dean refocuses as 'firewall' breached in Washington

John Kerry makes headway in a state that Howard Dean supporters thought they had locked up




A Jan. 27-29 poll released Wednesday by independent Seattle pollster Stuart Elway found that 40 percent of Democrats supported Kerry, compared with 13 percent for Dean. Elway cautioned that the poll of 205 Democrats did not try to gauge sentiment among the small fraction of the electorate that would attend Saturday's caucuses. But he said it showed how opinion has changed since November, when Dean led in a similar poll in Washington.

Democrats "seem to be much more motivated by who can beat George Bush," Elway said. "That accounts for a lot of the change in these surveys. "They're not really attached to one candidate. They just want to know who can win."


http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/107598572153210.xml

At the end of December, the same pollster, with the same sample size, had Dean with a massive lead in both Oregon and Washington.
Dean has fallen far and fast, and the critical factor is the hatred that George W. Bush has engendered on the part of the Democratic electorate. They want him out nad they do not care how they get him out. As the issues between the democratic candidates are all issues of nuance rather than substance, winning has become more important than nitpicking.

If a candidate raises money from special interests, the voters want it to be the special interests that Democrats prefer, rather than Republicans.

Dena has one day to turn around Washington and Michigan and polls indicate that he has not done so in either state.

As a matter of fact, with every new attack from Dean, Kerry's lead seems to grow and grow.

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