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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:20 PM
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In a Capitalist Democratic Republic, which is most important:
The popularity vote or the pocket vote?
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:23 PM
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1. Organization wins it
"There is no reason why good cannot triumph as often as evil. The triumph of anything is a matter of organization. If there are such things as angels, I hope that they are organized along the lines of the Mafia."

- Vonnegut, Sirens of Titan

The corporate media are very organized.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:30 PM
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3. I like to think that individual pocket votes are far more important.
As they are true indicators of support.
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He loved Big Brother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:30 PM
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2. "Capitalist?"
I thought we were fascist.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:32 PM
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4. Same thing
to neo liberals.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 12:06 AM
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5. It's Not Capitalism Anymore When a Cartel Buys the Government
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Foswia Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 12:49 AM
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6. Watch yourself. Neoliberals are the only reason Dems have a chance [nt]
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 12:54 AM
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8. oh really
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 12:56 AM by corporatewhore
A memorable definition of this process came from Subcomandante Marcos at the Zapatista-sponsored Encuentro Intercontinental por la Humanidad y contra el Neo-liberalismo (Inter-continental Encounter for Humanity and Against Neo-liberalism) of August 1996 in Chiapas when he said: "what the Right offers is to turn the world into one big mall where they can buy Indians here, women there ...." and he might have added, children, immigrants, workers or even a whole country like Mexico."
The main points of neo-liberalism include:

1.

THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.
2.

CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.
3.

DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environmentand safety on the job.
4.

PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.
5.

ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy."

Around the world, neo-liberalism has been imposed by powerful financial institutions like the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and the Inter-American Development Bank. It is raging all over Latin America. The first clear example of neo-liberalism at work came in Chile (with thanks to University of Chicago economist Milton Friedman), after the CIA-supported coup against the popularly elected Allende regime in 1973. Other countries followed, with some of the worst effects in Mexico where wages declined 40 to 50% in the first year of NAFTA while the cost of living rose by 80%. Over 20,000 small and medium businesses have failed and more than 1,000 state-owned enterprises have been privatized in Mexico. As one scholar said, "Neoliberalism means the neo-colonization of Latin America."

In the United States neo-liberalism is destroying welfare programs; attacking the rights of labor (including all immigrant workers); and cutbacking social programs. The Republican "Contract" on America is pure neo-liberalism. Its supporters are working hard to deny protection to children, youth, women, the planet itself -- and trying to trick us into acceptance by saying this will "get government off my back." The beneficiaries of neo-liberalism are a minority of the world's people. For the vast majority it brings even more suffering than before: suffering without the small, hard-won gains of the last 60 years, suffering without end.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 12:53 AM
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7. I said 'capitalist' because I think money matters to 'capitalists.'
Take it as you will. The 'fascist' statement can be reserved for another thread.
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