The facts:Kerry 7-9, Dean 0-9

[DJcairo]

These are wins, not media spin.
In a conference call with reporters and a later news conference, said Wisconsin, as the only state voting on Feb. 17, will have a chance to examine the candidates closely "rather than rubber stamp what the press has said is going on so far."


What the press has said? Is he accusing them of lying in their reporting of this basic fact of primary wins vs. primary losses. Please. I can't believe a public candidate would say this. Does Dean think he is a winner in some alternate universe?


"Hi, I'm Howard Dean, and even though I've lost all 9 of my party's primaries, I'm the best one to take on George Bush."

It seems the good Dr. needs a reality check.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17261-2004Feb5_2.html

[mzmolly]

1. Fact there are 52 States in this Country and most have not had a say..

:hi:

[LoZoccolo]

3. Watch someone correct you by the time I finish writing this...

...and say that there are 50 states like that has anything to do with primaries/caucuses!

:hi:

[LoZoccolo]

10. Surprisingly, there wasn't!

:+

[LoZoccolo]

12. But there is now!

:toast:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. Think she means Guam and Puerto Rico get a say in this if

I am correct.

[DJcairo]

6. Then why spend $40 mil in Iowa and NH if they aren't significant

I just can't believe how Dean supporters can swallow Dean campaign propoganda hook line and sinker. In another country, under a different election system, with different parties and a different history, maybe, but not here and not now. If Iowa and NH weren't significant, why did Dean spend so much on teh "Perfect Storm"

[LoZoccolo]

26. They aren't significant.

$40 million is like a drop in the bucket to us y0.

We're gonna have New Mexico and all those other states he named; every single one.

How can you say our bat doesn't have bling?

[girl gone mad]

31. Why are you so invested..

in bashing Dean, post after post?

[MercutioATC]

34. And your concern is based on?????

Hell, WE'RE the ones floating this campaign and we're fine with it. We're not ASKING you to "get it".

[x-g.o.p.er]

7. Ummmm, I thought there were only 50 states

[NewYorkerfromMass]

16. It's part of the "move the finish line back" strategy

next week there will be 58 states.

[LoZoccolo]

28. And then there's gonna be 61! And 70!

Yaaaaaaaarh!

[MercutioATC]

27. Territories get primaries too.

Granted, not states, but still delegates.

[LoZoccolo]

29. Dingdingdingdingdingdingdingding!

WINNA!

[Democrats unite]

17. Um Um

50 states.

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[MercutioATC]

30. They're not states, but territories get primaries, too...

The number IS larger than 50, but I'm sure you knew that.

[LoZoccolo]

32. WINNA TIMES TWO!

:toast: :party: :toast: :party: :toast: :party: :toast: :party:

[ProudToBeLiberal]

2. You misquoted dean

He never said "Hi, I'm Howard Dean, and even though I've lost all 9 of my party's primaries, I'm the best one to take on George Bush."

Secondly your behaviour reflects badly on your candidate.

Thirdly if I remember you switched from kerry to dean because Dean was winning then you switched back to kerry when kerry was starting to win.

[DJcairo]

13. I was not afraid to criticize my candidate and look for another

but Kerry was the only one I gave money too and worked for, ever. He was my guy at heart and when I saw him doing well, I was excited all over again for his candidacy. Criticizing me is just a way to deflect the serious cognitive dissonance Dean creates with his bizarre claims of media bias.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

19. so you're saying the media has no bias?

I don't think the media is neutral on every single issue...that isn't humanly impossible

[bitchkitty]

22. You must be kidding -

you think that the media coverage isn't slanted? Surely you jest.

[slinkerwink]

4. Actually, it's 1-9, Dean won the DC Primary

[DJcairo]

14. that doesn't count in any way...no delegates

[slinkerwink]

20. it does still count

if you say it doesn't count, then you're ignoring the disenfranchisement of DC voters who are being ignored by Washington insiders like Kerry and the rest.

[beaconess]

35. The DC primary DIDN'T count - it was a symbolic vote

The actual delegate selection for DC occurs later.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

23. you're ignoring a segment of the United States population

are you basically isolating them? They have rights you know. They pay taxes. They are citizens of the United States of America. Just like you and me.

[EXE619K]

5. Band Wagon-esque...much?

If I can recall...didn't you support Dean and then proceeded to jump on the Kerry Band Wagon when things started to "look good"?

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

[LuminousX]

8. What is your purpose with this thread?

[mitchum]

33. Perhaps to state the obvious (for those who seem to have so...

much trouble with it)

If I had started this thread, it would be purely for gloating purposes. Pure and simple. But then I'm a vicious bastard

[MercutioATC]

9. Thanks for your input. We'll take it under consideration.

Until then, I'm hitting the bat again. Thanks for the motivation.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. Even as a Kerry fan I don't support presumptiveness

There's a lot of populous states that have yet to speak

[JI7]

37. this person

dropped kerry when he was low in polls and told us to get behind dean. and now doing the same thing the other way around. i wish they would just let people vote. this type of attitude does not help anyone at all.

[nankerphelge]

21. Good point

I need to send some money to Edwards too; ABK.

[Democrats unite]

24. 1 Dean is worth 10 Kerry's

It ain't over till it's over!

[Wonk]

25. Fact: delegates so far? Kerry 260, Dean 121, Edwards 107, Clark 81

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/

Delegates remaining? 3744

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

36. As a Kerry supporter I think this is unnecessary

What is the point of starting a whole thread just to rub in the noses of all Dean supporters?

I know there are a lot of anti-Kerry threads but that doesn't mean we have to respond in kind.

I think any person deserves some space for grieving after supporting their candidate passionately and then it looks like it might not work out. Dean has not dropped out yet.

[Moderator]

38. locked

please feel free to repost this without the inflamatory tone.