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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:01 AM
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Why John Kerry Will Win The Presidency. (Part 1)

John Kerry will win the presidency.


There are fundamentals of Presidential electoral politics that work in his favor. We Dems need to sober-up and face the major challenge of creating a strong grass-roots movement to retake some seats in the House and Senate or else we should just get out of the way.

The overarching reason why Kerry will win is his relatively genuine Presidential Stature within the political establishment, which, over time is naturally transferred to the public at large (relative, that is, to GWB). By Presidential Stature I mean to refer to that quality of presence and that unambiguous grasp of matters of foreign and domestic policy that gives one credibility as Head of State and Commander-In-Chief.

It sounds subjective, but it is largely subjective factors that determine the choice of a leader. The large percentage of Democrats that polls show already view Kerry as “Presidential” means that the party can pretty much count on being able to rally the democratic base.

Beyond rallying the base, there are two basic challenges of U.S. electoral politics for the democratic nominee: (1) success with the Independent Vote, and (2) an inroad into “Red States” or the Middle-America and Southern Vote. In both cases Kerry will win.

The Independent Vote.

What is the independent vote looking for? This is somewhat unpredictable since independents are more heavily motivated by personal factors as opposed to party or ideological loyalty. They are however a few generalities from past elections that suggest that in a nationwide Kerry vs. Bush match-up Kerry could win the independent vote. Key issues:

1. Independents (Indys) are heavily influence by the temporal dynamics of the economy and national security. If the economy continues to rebound the Indy will be reluctant to vote for change. However, if the Iraq War continues to go badly the Indy will be willing to consider a new Commander-In-Chief. A vicious critique of Bush’s competence in national security will be effective among Independents if the Dems leverage Kerry’s credential to make him as a strong and credible alternative.

2. The independent vote tends to be entrepreneurial and pro-business. Every Indy thinks he/she could become a big-wig next year. Kerry’s free-market and “entrepreneurial” approach to job-creation and the economy will likely attract the Independent vote.

3. The independent vote tends to a candidate who is perceive to be bi-partisan and able to work across party lines to develop national consensus. John Kerry has a highly valuable “image” of being respected in the Senate. His long service on powerful legislative committees, his noteworthy cross-party line votes and friendships in the Senate improves his chances with the Indy voter.

4. Finally, the independent vote is attracted to “star quality.” This is Kerry’s secret sauce with Independents. His storied past, the good and the bad, along with his golden resume closes the sale with the independent voter.


The Red States—the Southern and Middle-America Vote.

Kerry will win because he understands the “Dixie trap” and is serious about what he has to do to make inroads into the “red states.” He knows a little history and a little culture.

A little recent history

Clinton/Gore (2 sons of the South) won 5 Southern States against Bush Senior who was viewed as a North-Easterner.
But Gore/Lieberman won 0 (not counting FL) Southern States against Bush Junior who was viewed as a Southerner.

The percentage margins of Democratic 2000 losses were double-digit in Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina and Texas.

Happily, John Kerry can read the electoral map. He has acknowledged what ought to be evident to all: Democrats should not seek electoral votes in these states.

Kerry’s strategy is to win a couple of the “swing states” that Gore lost by a narrow margin: Florida, Missouri, West Virginia, Ohio or Arizona. And he will do it.

A little about culture.

As Kerry recognizes, the Southern voter respects service to nation. The reality is the Southern voter likes a candidate with a “strong military” image, as Zel Miller would say they “like a guy with a little grit in his craw.” And this doesn’t just apply to the South. Much of Middle-America shares with the south a large population of veterans and a respect for military service.

In fact, the “military vote” (active, reserve, veteran) is a significant component to the Southern and Middle-America vote. Some estimates show that a 80% of the military vote, concentrated in critical swing States, usually goes Republican, significantly affecting electoral college results.

Less than 5 percent in the military vote would have given Democrats the electoral votes in Arkansas, Nevada and New Hampshire in 2000. John Kerry’s decorated military service and the testimony of his fellow veterans could give the Democrats a deserved anti-Bush swing the military vote.

For good or ill, a significant niche of the Southern/Middle-America vote like their presidential candidates tall, tough and straight-shooting. Dukakis blew it because he didn’t “look right” in a tank. John Kerry does not have to get in the tank. He already paid his dues. He just has to push “Play” on the new documentary about the service and struggles of his “Band of Brothers.”

The fundamentals of U.S. electoral politics suggests that John Kerry should win in 2004. The Republicans understand this and that is why Bush is running around the country chasing Kerry.

The question is now largely whether we Democrats, with all our factions and contradictions, will do what it takes to win big, and perhaps take back the House and the Senate. To do that we will need to rally a massive coast-to-coast grass-roots revival of democratic ideals, and a realignment of the electorate for change. But that is another story.

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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:08 AM
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1. What about the conservatives who hate bush for the Patriot ACt
You guys always tout electability and swing appeal but one big issue for any self respecting Small gov't promoting Big Federal Gov't loathing conservative is the Patriot Act.I worked hand in hand with them this summer to get an anti patriot act res. here in austin this summer.They are fucking pissed at bush for this. why would they vote for pro patriot act cannidate like kerry
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:03 AM
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17. still awaitin for an answer i know that kucinich has already got some of
these people supporting him (old school conservatives in my very own Kucinich 4 pres group)
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:06 AM
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30. I think ELECTABILITY is code word for "we don't know why"
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:42 AM
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46. No Electability is Code for "Has Widely Recognized Qualifications For Job"
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:10 AM
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2. Isn't this a little premature. Could wait till Wisconsin, No?
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:45 AM
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38. What's special about Wisconsin?
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:10 AM
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3. WIth John Kerry as the nominee the best we can hope for is to win the
White House. That is no small deal, to be sure, but there is little chance of any "coattails" helping Democrats take either house back this cycle.

Worse yet, as a representative of "business as usual" in the top spot it is just as unlikely that we will regain either house in the off year election. There is just no there, there.

About all we can hope for is for a couple of SCOTUS paperweights to retire and allow Kerry to replace them with less right wing justices. Certainly no more progressive types will make it through the Senate so the best we can hope for is "centrists" which will not be as bad as present, but nowhere near what we need.

Kerry is the safe and conventional candidate, and will likely get the nomination. After a boring few months between then and November we will see a Democratic party not energised, not inspired, just numerous enough to "de-select" a President who seems determined to undermine his own strengths at any opportunity.

We deserve better than John Kerry but the way things are headed, we aren't going to get it.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:14 AM
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5. Actually Kerry could have very long coattails
precisely because he appears "safe and conventional" (though in fact he is not).
Kerry represnts and ensures the kind of competence a lot of moderates and "indys" are longing for.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:55 AM
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29. I think coattails will depend on us -- the on-the-ground party activists
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:24 AM
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44. And a lot of luck
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 01:06 PM
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57. This board wouldn't leave much hope I agree.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 08:36 PM
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63. Kerry has to keep his swashbuckling side under wraps
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:21 AM
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6. Why can't We The People take some responsibility to change things

rather than expect some perfect candidate that fulfill all our
fantasies and can campaign to boot?

It is up to us to rally our fellow to a vision of the future we
believe in. No candidate can be or do everything for everyone.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:31 AM
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11. Well said!
We aren't electing a messiah, but I believe we are electing a person who will energize the Party and be the catalyst for fundemental change.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 06:12 PM
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59. Exactly
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:13 AM
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4. Living in the south,
I've spoken with people across 3 generations. Kerry's dogmeat in the south from what I see. But, he's pompous enough to think he doesn't need the south. Clinton needed 5 southern states, Gore had fewer but look where we are. Gooooooooo Ker....eh.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:37 AM
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12. Think you are right. But Kerry has said as much. He will campaign hard
in the South but may not expect to win most of the States.
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YouMustBeKiddingMe Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:26 AM
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7. Interesting analysis. Thank you
Looking foreward to Part II
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:28 AM
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8. very good analysis.......of course, I agree!
Looking forward to seeing the next President tomorrow up here in Maine.

One benefit of a strong nominee as Kerry is showing himself to be, is the coat tail effect. None of our candidates have the deep Democratic connections and I am sure he will be a huge positive force in getting Reps/Senators elected in November.

Bring it on!
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:45 PM
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50. Think he has maine to himself. Lucky you.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 07:38 PM
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60. Hope to see you
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:28 AM
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9. speaking Deans lines with the polished smoothness of an operator
You can make a blunt and honest man speak more smoothly.

Can you make a smooth speaker vote the way he speaks?

Convince me that AOL/Warner's campaign contributions have not influenced CNN's coverage.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:41 AM
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14. Kerry was launching into radical speeches since 1971-- when Dean
was in Aspen skiing (I think).

Please have a look at Kerry's speeches for the last 30 years.
Dean is totaly new to progressive rhetoric.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:16 AM
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18. blah blah blah kerry stood up for soliders being used in an unjust war
then but now he gave bush authorization to use them (including my father) in an unjust war
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:19 AM
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19. you leave out kucinich maybe because unlike kerry he actually has
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 02:27 AM by corporatewhore
a progressive record of taking bold positions and rhetoric to match hell he even marched side by side with union members in the battle of seattle against the wto while kerry stood side by side w/corporations and supported the wto
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:28 AM
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22. Kucinich has good positions. I agree w most
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 11:11 PM
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66. Can you post a couple of his old speeches?
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:16 AM
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27. Hi DebJ. Remember the whole Year CNN tried to snuff Kerry's Candidacy?
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:31 AM
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10. you mention military vote well i dont think the military family votewillbe
to enthusiastic to support kerry considering he sold us out with IWR amongst local military family speak out i have only seen support for kucinich (he'll bring 'em home)Clark (he was against the war and clark MFSOers i know think he is the one with the best exp. to bring them home safely) and Dean because he has been vocal in criticzing it
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:41 AM
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13. No, they will be pissed at Bush though.
Most military families believe in a strong America, and they understand the difference in a vote to leverage the power of the UN vs. the idiot-in-chief who applied the power foolishly. IWR gave the President the advantage to back up the UN's inspection.....a wise President would have let the inspections continue instead of applying the military foolishly and weakening our longterm diplomatic objectives and degrading the morale/fighting capacity of our armed forces for essentially no reason at all. Not to mention pissing off every person on the planet.

It's Bush's fault and that's the facts.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:48 AM
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15. We have an enourmous anger at bush but we also feel sold out by dems who
authorized bush to use military force.Sure most are ABB but the prospect of kerry doesnt excite us (basing this on my experience w/local MFSO)
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:54 AM
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16. Kerry is no sell-out. Just the opposite. He is cautious because he
is on a mission.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 11:50 AM
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56. Better safe than sorry at this point.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:22 AM
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20. Based on MY experience
at the local base where I am stationed, Kerry is one of the favorites. Most sailors and marines don't blame Democratic congressmen for voting for the Iraq War; they blame Bush for lying about it to the military and to congress.

Clark seems to be the favorite of career guys (8+ years), Kerry for the youngsters... oh, and lately that includes officers, which really surprises me, since most are Republicans.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:25 AM
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21. like i said just my experience w/local Military Families Speak Out
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:44 AM
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25. A lot of people believed Bush & supported the war,

and it's been suggested that for those people a Dem like Kerry has more resonance than Dean or Kucinich, who were against the war when those voters were supporting it.

People want the truth but they also want to be protected and I think they feel safer with someone with not only military experience but combat experience, and congressional experience with foreign relations. I always thought everyone but Kerry and Clark was at somewhat of a disadvantage because all the others lacked military experience. I think Clark is being hurt by the fact that he only experience he has had was military experience so that leaves Kerry.

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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:18 PM
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49. Military guys have figured that Dems didn't support Bush War
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 05:12 PM
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58. Check results in Michigan today. Lot of Military there.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:35 AM
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23. Need Deanies for such a movement.
The Deanies are the ones who started such vigor! That is what can take back the congress. We need you guys. :kick:
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:37 AM
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24. Democrats have to rediscover themselves as a real ideology-driven

political movement, or there is no way to take-back the country.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:38 PM
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52. Would be suprised to know how passionate others are as well
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:48 AM
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26. For the good of the country John Kerr-Wards should withdraw -nt-
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:43 AM
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37. He should resign from the senate in disgrace over his IWR vote
nt
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:27 AM
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45. not to mention handing dubya theshredder for the bill orights via the
unPATRIOTACT.Liberal or conservative no self respecting believer of the bill of rights or constitution should be disgusted with the unpatriot act
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:29 AM
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28. If he wins
It will not be because of any of the above factors. It will be because Bush* is so fripping inept as President that a ham sandwich could have won.

Not to worry though, Bush* is in fact so inept, that this is a real possibility.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:18 AM
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33. Thanks for the encouragement. Explains how Bush got in in 2000
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:13 AM
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31. I'll give you the two reasons you missed!
1. Because he walks on water!

2. Because he'll end global famine with two baskets of bread and fishes!
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:23 AM
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35. That's in my why Dr. Dean will win article
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Phelan Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:17 AM
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32. Northern Candidate this election means we loose the senate
We can no longer fillibuster in the senate. There are 5 or 6 uncontested Dem Senate seats up for grabs in the south. We loose those, we will loose Social Security. Medicare and every other social program we have ever cared about
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:19 AM
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34. There is really only one reason, if he does
GW will make so many people angry and frustrated that they will vote for "anybody else who is moderately qualified".

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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:39 AM
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36. You forget Bush was 25% Ahead of Dean.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:52 AM
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39. What does that matter?
Dean is an untouchable now, that proves little. If his campaign hadn't imploded, the scream would have killed him.

I remember polls that had Bush tied with "any democrat" and neck and neck with just about all of the candidates.

If Clark or (an unblemished)Dean had been pushed by the media and the DNC as "the one" everyone would say, "yeah, he's the one to beat Bush, he's electable".
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:59 AM
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40. Dean never tied Bush even at Bush's worst point. All Candidates don't hav
equal chances against Bush.

Clark, for example, is likely much stronger against Bush than
sharpton.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:09 AM
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42. Well, I'm not counting Sharpton
That would just be silly.

I remember even Dean coming in under 10 pts in some polls. And this was before Bush's numbers started to tank.

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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:12 AM
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43. Bush was Totaly Tanked in Nov. Dec before Saddam capture.
He still Dean by 10+ points
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:05 AM
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41. DEMS ARE DOOMED, DOOMED, DOOMED! No One Here Remembers the Pundits?

That's what they were saying before Iowa. Few here see happy that
they are not saying that anymore. I am excited that we have a
chance!
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 12:11 PM
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47. I guess you didn't get the memo
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 12:12 PM by Capn Sunshine
John Kerry is supposed to lose to * because he's an establishment democrat; this type of politician is the one entity that Rove and Co. know how to defeat. Hence the corporate media train.

Establishment stays safe, puts up a good fight and loses "narrowly" to the 43rd president of the USA.

And yet, we had a chance to change things but lost our nerve.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:12 PM
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48. Thanks for the update. Will forward to my people.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:02 PM
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51. Does Anyone Remember This Story from a Few Years Ago?
A pair of artists did a poll and asked people what images would be in the most pleasing painting that could be made.

They asked this of people all over the world, then set to work.

Here's the result for the US:

http://www.diacenter.org/km/usa/most.html

Draw your own conclusion.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 03:40 AM
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53. Is that the Heinz-Kerry summer retreat?
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 10:02 AM
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54. When do we get Part 2.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 10:38 AM
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55. frankly, i'm not waiting for part 2
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 07:43 PM
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61. "independent vote tends to be entrepreneurial and pro-business"
really? Does Kerry think he's going to win swing voters by telling them that outsourcing jobs to third world countries is good? "Free market" job creation is going to get nowhere with independent voters, since the result of the last few years of "free market" reform has cost the US plenty of jobs.

By having pro-corporate, pro-business Kerry run against pro-corporate, pro-business Bush, are you trying to confuse the voters or something? :eyes:
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 07:53 PM
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62. Tell the "independents" that you a captive to Unions and want "closed shop

and you can kiss a lot of them goodbye. Do you have data otherwise?
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 09:39 PM
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64. Thank you for the positivity
And as a Kucinich supporter, I've decided that even though I like Dean 2nd, I better get behind Kerry soon. I do like Kerry and think he is very likely to get the nomination now. I'll still technically be a Kucinich supporter, but I want to do what I can to make sure you are right.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 10:18 PM
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65. I Agree with most of DK's positions (Like Single Payer), but I know it
is not possible in America to get there in 1 step.

A cheer for Dennis. I am a donor.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 11:17 PM
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67. I welcome your support
I see it like Kucinich will have to undo some of Bush's damage first - then his policies are more within reach IMO than people think.
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