We survived 40 years

[serryjw]

with Castro in power. How many times did we 'almost' invade because we thought he was a threat to southern USA? Have we forgotten Operation Northwoods.

quote.......
Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro as part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state sponsored terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the highest ranking member of the U.S. military, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer.

end quote.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[applegrove]

1. Castro hasn't done anyone any favours by running government for

40 years. Nobody should be in that long. 8 years max should be a UN requirement.

[theanarch]

2. guess that goes for FDR as well?.....n/t

[serryjw]

5. Yes, I support the 22nd

I wouldn't have wanted Clinton for a 3rd term either.

[theanarch]

8. well, i oppose the 22nd Amendment...

...don't people have a right to be represented by anyone they like for as long as they can get elected? Isn't that what 'democracy' is all about?

[serryjw]

13. WOW! I'll start a new thread

I have never met anyone that wants the 22nd repealed. We fought King George many years ago. Maybe if we had a well informed electorate and HONEST elections, I'd reconsider. I hate that Congress goes back with a 98% pass.

[theanarch]

16. As H.L. Menckin wrote...

...American democracy is based on the idea that the people know what they want, and deserve to get it--GOOD AND HARD. I don't particularly like the idea that 98%+ of congress-critters get re-elected either (a retention rate higher than the Soviet Politboro back in the day), but you can thank liberal democrats as much as conservative republicans for gerrymandering the country into non-competitive, incumbent-for-life fiefdoms; and corporate/ideological special interests for giving them the money to buy their seats; and a 'horse-race' obsessed M$M that reports in a fashion which keeps the status quo in place. Personally, i seriously doubt that term limits of any kind will improve the quality of representation; engaging the public in electoral activism, on real issues instead of media-constructed personalities, will, regardless of the laws that regulate these things.

[serryjw]

17. Your heart in the right place

but I live in reality with a populous that doesn't know who the VP is or where the Pacific Ocean is. I'll take term limits. Did you forget that California ( the most liberal state in the Union) voted for the Terminator.While petitioning people have told me that they were given $5 to NOT VOTE!We would have Queen/King for a Day. It would be one huge popularity contest.

[Democrats_win]

10. After awhile they stop worring about us and start working to hold power.

They've been talking about this in Zimbabwe where that terrible leader is the poster-child for term limits. But look at Bush, he never worked for the American people. Clinton, 12 years would have been nice.

[serryjw]

15. Even Clinton was tired after

8 years. If a tough job. Every President ages terribly after 8 years. I agree that EVEN with a election they do what they want, not what WE want.

[applegrove]

19. And by looking around for something to do - Clinton (genius, leader,

thinker, statesman) may end up doing more good for the world in his current incarnation. Look at Jimmy Carter.

Roosevelt was a special case. But then so was Stalin. There should be limits.

[serryjw]

21. Young, elder statesmen can do

so much good for humanity. That is why Gore will not run again. We need him where he is to save the planet.

[serryjw]

4. That's not the point

Now you sound like *. It's not for us to say how long a leader stays in power. The point is he hasn't been a threat to the US in 40 years.

[applegrove]

18. No. But the economy is crap and that has been a threat to the cuban

people themselves for 30 years. Hey - I'm from Canada. We did well to build a nation that tried to keep most of the resources to ourselves for a long time. Where locals made profit And re-invested into the economy. Labour did okay at the end there... last half of the 20th Century. Exactly the time when Castro was in power.

Castro could have reformed and then left office. Then let other people with other ideas try there hand at trade or business or socialism.

Tanzania tried socialism really hard. With lots of good governance.. and after 20 years they realized it alone didn't work. That some form of market economy is needed. They came to that conclusion 20 years ago. They are doing okay now... save for epidemics. The mix is always the way to go.

[serryjw]

20. Your leaders are selling you down the river

with * with the North American Union.

[applegrove]

22. On page one of the "Union" document they mention compassion of

sorts. Then it doesn't occur anywhere else in the document. What type of opening paragraph is that?:shrug: A neocon one.

[serryjw]

23. Have you been following

what is happening with the NAU? I have an alert on google if you want more info.

[applegrove]

24. I printed off one document and it made me want to weep. So I gave

up my critique. That document is currently in a city dump somewhere, or perhaps has been turned into toilet paper....where it belongs.

What got me was the narrative they ran throughout the document. "Give us credit for any job improvement when we do the UNION. Give us credit for any economic improvement when we do the UNION. Give us credit for our obvious success in instituting policies that will improve the economy for all. Give us credit for that in the future".

Well - seeing as how demographics mean that it will be an employees market in 5 years when the boomers start to retire... full employment is a given. So I would tend not to give credit to the UNIONists (sic) who want credit for that.

Reminds me of Regan taking credit for the fall of the Soviet Union..when the Soviets were willing to discuss peace and falling in the mid 1970s (economics were not working out cause communism just sucks). Or Gulianni taking credit for the fall in the crime rate in the early 1990s..when that was demographics too.

I look forward to the great employees market of 2011. Directly related to the baby boom of 1945 to 1965. And I will not give credit to the people who wrote the NAU document. Cause that is just crap/myth.

[applegrove]

25. Found it. Have you looked into the NAU? Cause I'm afraid a pineapple

corporations will move up north.

[htuttle]

7. We can't even reach global consensus yet...

...on whether women should be considered 'people'.

I think that expecting a global term limit for leaders would be expecting a lot. At this stage, UN requirements like that would only be used as a tool by the powerful against the powerless (the way the NPT often is, for example).

Not that I disagree in theory. But it won't happen (at least not in a good way) for quite a while... To get there (and have it mean something), we'd need to agree (as a planet) on more basic things first, like baseline acceptable levels of human rights, proscribed environmental effects, etc... Any day now, right?

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. Castro will never be forgiven for throwing United Fruit & so on

out on their ass.

[serryjw]

6. Is that a reson to blow

up his country?

[The_Casual_Observer]

9. It's longest grudge in American history.

The hostility with Cuba can be traced back to the day when Castro expropriated their land & threw them out. It's been nothing but punishment ever since.

[Union Thug]

12. And I think he had every right to do so. Corporations are not

gods. We should all be able to bash them into dirt whenever they step out of line.

Sorry about the tangent.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

11. OMG,That is scary! I hope they don't do a Black Op. like that again

I hope they know we will demand an investigation next time! "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." -
-- Abraham Lincoln

[whistle]

14. Operation Northwoods was implimented on September 11, 2001

...with some slight alterations