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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 07:46 AM
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Remember that girl in HS? The one who was 'easy'.
I'll call her "Ann'. Every high school had one. She went steady with every boy on every sports team. She also went steady with every boy on the debate team, the chess team, and the detention room. There were also rumors of her going steady with a few of the male teachers.

Everybody liked Ann because she would do anything. At one point, Ann was the most popular girl in school. She played the flame to every boy's audition for the the role of 'moth'. By Junior year, even your parents knew of Ann.

But into Senior year, Ann was finding it harder and harder to get dates. The boys had moved on to more serious social lives. Ann, rather than being the object of everyone's fantasies and desires, was little more than a locker room joke. Or an object lesson.

Ann never did go to the prom. Nobody wanted to take her.

She was seen, a few years after high school, at a few of the bachelor parties given for her former 'steadies'. No one really wanted to confirm that she was there, or why.

Its kinda sad. When she was old enough, she started hanging out in bars. She had a reputation for short dresses and outrageous antics. It was again kind of like high school, but with older 'boys' now. With jobs. Ann took to promoting whoever her current flame was. Working to make him, in the eyes of others, more than he was. She'd say and do damned near anything to enhance the image of her latest beau.

But then it was found out she was taking money to do this. The boys were paying her and using her. And then moving on and settling down with a 'nice girl'.

Ann took to wearing shorter and shorter skirts. She was rumored to have an eating disorder as she became obsessed with her image.

Soon enough, everyone in her social circle was ...... somewhere else. Ann was all alone. Her only loves? Chardonnay and cigarettes.

Whatever happened to Ann? Maybe someone can find her on one of those high school reunion web sites .........

Did she ever make something of herself?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 07:51 AM
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1. Never heard of her ... but I did hear of a guy who
blew every member of the football team, etc. ...

And then went to Thailand in the 70s for a botched operation ...
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keith the dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 07:57 AM
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2. Anne is now a rich prostitute
Who "writes" books for the Right Wing. I've seen her picture on the cover of those books...the years of hard life have not been kind to her.

I'm not sure but judging by her adams apple Anne and that guy who did the football team might be the same person.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 07:57 AM
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3. I heard she changed her last name to Coulter
P.S. Sparkly doesn't know about Ann does she?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 07:58 AM
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4. Truth be told .......
...... *everybody* knows about Ann. :)
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 08:06 AM
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5. So in other words, the "guys" used her and took advantage of her
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 08:20 AM by wisteria
need for attention and a need to be wanted,they pretended they liked her and this feed into her low self esteem,making her feel better for a little while? Like an addiction, she needed more and more attention and did more and more outlandish things to gain that attention.
Is this about Colter? Gosh, I was feeling sorry for the poor thing, until it dawned on me it sounded a lot like her.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 08:23 AM
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6. She is now the Founder and CEO of a Fortune 500 Company...
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 09:16 AM by Totally Committed
while most of the "boys" she knew are washing cars, making pizzas, and selling cars. A couple popped their knees in college while playing football, and are now on Social Security disability.

The Chardonnay and cigarettes have been replaced an occasional great bottle from her extensive wine cellar and mornings with a personal trainer. Her companion values her worth as a person, respects her intelligence, and shares her interests outside the office.

Every time there's a class reunion, she received about a hundred invites, promising to honor her with some award or another, and she always turns them down. Last Fall, the new wing of the pediatric hospital was named after her for her very generous patronage.

She's living proof that women are resilient, intelligent, and amazing... and that few false steps in youth don't need to be a sad ending to an entire lifetime. That's why "youth" and "wisdom" so rarely inhabit a being at the same time.

TC
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 08:29 AM
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7. Yeah, I knew her, several "hers" as a matter of fact.
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 08:37 AM by Cerridwen
I'll call her "Ann'. Every high school had one. She went steady with every boy on every sports team. She also went steady with every boy on the debate team, the chess team, and the detention room. There were also rumors of her going steady with a few of the male teachers.

She never really did but all the teenage boys sitting around in the locker room having a mental circle jerk sure made sure to say they had so they wouldn't feel left out. The ones who were most pissed off about her turning them down even said she'd "done it with the math teacher".


Everybody liked Ann because she would do anything. At one point, Ann was the most popular girl in school. She played the flame to every boy's audition for the the role of 'moth'. By Junior year, even your parents knew of Ann.

She rarely if ever really did the things she was accused of. But, boy, them teenage boys were gonna "get them some 'o that" and they'd crucify her for the fact all the other boys lied to them about it. It was called being a "prick tease" back in those days. Or even a "dyke". What're they calling those girls these days?


But into Senior year, Ann was finding it harder and harder to get dates. The boys had moved on to more serious social lives. Ann, rather than being the object of everyone's fantasies and desires, was little more than a locker room joke. Or an object lesson.

Ann never did go to the prom. Nobody wanted to take her.

Yep, the nascent neo-cons had done quite a number on the poor girl's good name. Everyone was convinced she was nothing but a sleazy, skanky, whore. Of course the little monsters were still throwing her name around their daily locker room circle jerk.


She was seen, a few years after high school, at a few of the bachelor parties given for her former 'steadies'. No one really wanted to confirm that she was there, or why.

Too bad she came from a small community, huh? Years of being treated and called a whore and all she could get were a couple of gigs here and there playing "mind fuck" with some of those former "steadies" who'd lied about her all those years. Fortunately, she'd learned to sock away the bucks made off her previous enemies.


Its kinda sad. When she was old enough, she started hanging out in bars. She had a reputation for short dresses and outrageous antics. It was again kind of like high school, but with older 'boys' now. With jobs. Ann took to promoting whoever her current flame was. Working to make him, in the eyes of others, more than he was. She'd say and do damned near anything to enhance the image of her latest beau.

Yeah, still thinking there might actually be a couple of good men out there. Unfortunately for her, she still kept meeting the "circle jerk club". Sad what a woman will do to herself to be "accepted" into a group. She even went so far as to try to win over one of the circle jerks by being the "woman behind the man". It didn't work of course. Those kind of men only want eye candy and whores anyway. She was traded in on the newest model.


But then it was found out she was taking money to do this. The boys were paying her and using her. And then moving on and settling down with a 'nice girl'.

And she was laughing all the way to the bank after exploiting the jerks' own teenage fantasies. Watching as their "nice girls" turned into "religious" whackos because their new husbands only knew to treat women as whores.


Ann took to wearing shorter and shorter skirts. She was rumored to have an eating disorder as she became obsessed with her image.

She lost weight working all those weird hours and putting herself through college to make something of herself. People who remembered "her past" constantly found fault with anything and everything she did. Even the fact she stayed her high school weight was fodder for snarky remarks. So, she kept her nose to the grindstone and made a point of wearing shorter and shorter skirts to really piss off the now, full grown neocons with their Valium-taking, wacked out wives and their beer guts and juvenile delinquent kids.


Soon enough, everyone in her social circle was ...... somewhere else. Ann was all alone. Her only loves? Chardonnay and cigarettes.

Whatever happened to Ann? Maybe someone can find her on one of those high school reunion web sites .........

Did she ever make something of herself?

She moved on, far from her old neighborhood to get away from the narrow minded circle jerks, and became successful as a lawyer helping women whose husbands beat them bloody, working for women's rights in the U.S. and helping to educate the public about sex, sex education and the teenage male habit of demonizing girls who "don't put out."

She lives in a modest home with her husband who, as a teenager, thought the locker room circle jerks were asinine. She's raising her daughter and her son to respect women and to understand healthy sex and healthy relationships.

The neocon assholes of her childhood are regularly spewing filth on the nightly news about pot smoking, oversexed, "wine loving" elitist liberals.

One especially has become infamous. An old "enemy" of our girl who hated her with a passion because she'd seen our girl as prettier, smarter and more popular than she; and more importantly, because our girl got out of this narrow minded hell hole while your Ann was stuck married to one of the more "popular" circle jerks. The enemy of our girl is named Ann, too.


The fact that you used every filthy, misogynistic stereotype known to women in order to slam a vitriol spewing, right wing bag of pus, was way too much for me. I had to comment. Hate her message? Say so. Sling misogynistic stereotypes used to keep girls and women in their place at her? Not gonna sit still for it.

~Cerridwen - one of many women whose been called many of the things you listed by men who blamed me because they were jerks.

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:09 AM
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8. Outstanding reply...
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 09:10 AM by Totally Committed
The entire thing was from the heart, and pure genius. This part, however, really was the crowning glory of the piece:

The fact that you used every filthy, misogynistic stereotype known to women in order to slam a vitriol spewing, right wing bag of pus, was way too much for me. I had to comment. Hate her message? Say so. Sling misogynistic stereotypes used to keep girls and women in their place at her? Not gonna sit still for it.

~Cerridwen - one of many women whose been called many of the things you listed by men who blamed me because they were jerks.


Men just don't understand, because there is no male equivilent to "Ann". In this world of inequality, the assumprions made about young women who, out of insecurity, the need to be popular, or pure raging hormones decides to exercize her sexuality the way boys do is outrageous. Are the young men who sow their wild oats with her considered "easy"? What about the men that pick her up at a bar? -- Are they any more chaste, just by virtue of the "male prerogative" that allows him to screw anything that will "let" him? What about his "reputation"? He's seen as a charmer who can get any woman he wants, and she's seen as a slut just because she can match him conquest for conquest? Where's the equality in that????

Your post said what I tried to say with mine, but in a far more to-the-point way. Thank you.

TC

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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:21 AM
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11. its kinda counterintuitive
men want to have sex as much as possible and then they try to discourage sex from the very women they are trying to get it from.

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:35 AM
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14. Hi darboy.
It actually makes sense if "somewhere out there" someone has an agenda to promote the "war of the sexes."

Keep teaching boys that having sex whenever their hormones kick in is cool and "studly", "manly", or whatever while also teaching them that they should only create relationships with "nice" girls; while at the same time teaching girls that sex is dirty and something to be avoided unless they want to "keep a man"; and watch both sexes spin out in confusion as girls are trying to "keep a man" and boys are judging them whores for it.

As a society, we are so messed up about sex. It's sad. And it's a lot of wasted energy that could be used in so many productive (pun sort of intended) and creative ways.

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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:03 AM
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21. It's not our society, it's our biology
Any biologist will tell you that it is in the female's genetic interest to be very picky about mates, and in the male's genetic interest to bang as many females as possible. This fucked up arrangement is not social, it's genetic.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:07 AM
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23. Re-read my post, please.
I was talking about the societal lessons taught to us; not what our hormones did but how, what our hormones do, and whether it is viewed as "positive" or "negative", is defined by our society.

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:16 AM
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24. Please excuse me, but...
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 10:19 AM by Totally Committed
I don't see many males trying to put that system right. The genetic part, I agree is in our make-up, but it's the SOCIAL part of the equasion that labels assigns no burden of shame to the male and all to the female that is WRONG. There are no consequences for males "banging" as many females as possible (what an ugly term, in and of itself....) but the women who are the bangees have a "reputation" that follows them forever.

It's f*cked up! -- And, please... read her post again.

TC
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:21 AM
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25. No Consequences?
Tell that to Bill Clinton, whose entire presidency will be remembered for a stupid blow job.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:42 AM
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29. Perhaps, had he not "bought" the society message which
say's it's "studly" and "manly" he might have known to keep his pants zipped.

Please, re-read about the message; not the biology.

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:54 AM
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31. The Republicans used that circumstance against him for
purely partisan reasons.

If Bill had been a Republican President, the date of that b.j. would be a national holiday. Or it never ould have been revealed at all.

TC
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:24 AM
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26. I don't know if "have sex with everyone" is "taught" per se
rather it's more acquiesced to. I know my mother wasn't telling me that.

I don't have a problem with young women wanting to have sex.

I do have a problem with young women rewarding harmful male behavior with sex.

Maybe if the women would stop sleeping with the guys who banter in the locker room, maybe they would get the idea that how they treat women is not acceptable.

In a sense young women, with their choices, have the most power to influence male behavior.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:47 AM
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30. It's called "enculturation".
It is those "lessons" we learn as we go through life which are "common knowledge". It is not always a "conscious" lesson, either learned or taught.


--------
Here's a dictionary definition:

en‧cul‧tu‧ra‧tion  –noun

the process whereby individuals learn their group's culture, through experience, observation, and instruction.
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"In a sense young women, with their choices, have the most power to influence male behavior." Er, beg your pardon? So women/girls should be able to control men's "uncontrollably raging libidos" which the men/boys apparently can't control themselves? Maybe boys and men need to learn to control their own before expecting someone else to do it for them? What about boys/mens choices?

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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:50 AM
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36. Just one problem with that.
"Maybe if the women would stop sleeping with the guys who banter in the locker room, maybe they would get the idea that how they treat women is not acceptable."

Lots of women don't sleep withe the guys who banter in the locker room.

"In a sense young women, with their choices, have the most power to influence male behavior."

Not about date rape, but other men could do a lot to influence that.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:28 AM
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12. Thank you.
And here, as I was ready your post (I was composing as you were posting), I was thinking, "gee, maybe I was a bit too coarse. Totally Committed said it with so much more class". LOL The way we "censor" and second guess ourselves, huh? :D

I love how you succintly, in the previous post and this, layed in all out. "Boys will be boys" and girls are "sluts". Great world we live in. :(

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:49 AM
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18. I loved the absolute honesty of your post...
You should definitely stop self-censoring and second-guessing yourself, if it would ever keep you from writing anything else that powerful. As I said... pure genius.

:yourock:

TC
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:45 AM
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35. You are so right. Some things will never change.

There will ALWAYS be a double standard regarding uncommitted sex. It's considered by the vast majority to be OK for men, not OK for women.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:18 AM
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9. I wouldn't go back to high school or college if you paid me $1 million
I don't get all these people who say these are the best years of your life. They aren't unless you are an athlete or cheerleader.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:53 AM
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19. ".... these are the best years of your life....
... They aren't unless you are an athlete or cheerleader."

You mean.... a MALE athelete, and a FEMALE cheerleader. Right? Our respective "roles" were prescribed back then, as I remember. I wouldn't go back to that time for all the tea in China.

TC
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:29 AM
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27. everything was compartmentalized and ordered
a conservative's dream.
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verdalaven Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:18 AM
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10. Thanks Cerridwen
Your reply to the OP is appreciated.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:29 AM
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13. Hi verdalaven.
You're welcome.

:hi:

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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:39 AM
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15. From a man who thought the locker room circle jerks were asinine:
Thanks Cerridwen for not sitting still for that crap!
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:46 AM
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16. You betcha!
And I'll bet you took all kinds of crap for it, too. Congratulations on "making it out alive" as they say.

:hi:

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Fierce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:47 AM
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17. This is righteous.
Well done.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 09:53 AM
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20. :D
Thanks.

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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:07 AM
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22. She never would go out with me
Sniff.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:42 AM
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28. Promiscuity by teenage girls is not a laughing matter - it can be
sign of a personality disorder or/and sexual abuse - often by a male relative. Males of any age who take advantage of these girls are participating in the abuse themselves, imo. I know of one case - the younger sister of a college friend, who ended up committing suicide. All of the sophomoric jokes and locker room talk cannot be worth that, imo.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:17 AM
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32. Well this went well .......
...... way off in a different direction, but it seems everyone had fun.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:32 AM
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33. what was the point of you making this thread?
nt
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:44 AM
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34. Obviously one that nobody chose to 'get'
I don't do sanctimony well, so let's just let it die.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 01:40 PM
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37. I'm locking this thread
Reason :

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