Rumsfeld forgets: Hitler's appeasers were all RW Republicans

[Capn Sunshine]

With all he well-deserved outrage over Rumsfeld's ridiculous comparison of those against the Bush Administration's Iraq quagmire (non)policy to the appeasers of Hitler in the runup to World War Two, I was really surprised I saw little mention of the fact that those who sought to appease Hitler, and in many cases ally with him in the fascist cause, were actually RIGHT WING REPUBLICANS.

Seems logical once you realize what was at play then.

Rumsfeld’s right wing talking point that is around now has its roots in a hoary old chestnut Charles Krauthammer trots out whenever the mood suits him. He is fond of this quote

"Lord, if only I could have talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided."
-- Idaho Senator William Borah, upon hearing of the Nazi invasion of Poland

What an appeasing, sniveling weasel! Why, no one could talk to Hitler! No one can talk to Islamofascists! ( The terms ”Islam “ and “ fascist “ go together like “Joshua tree” and “sea sponge” but that’s another post for another day)

Except, in this case, we forget that Borah , and those who came around at the same time, like the Silvershirts, American hero Charles Lindbergh, Father Coughlin, America First Committee, Henry Ford, W’s Grandfather Prescott Bush and his partner Averill Harriman, the Copperheads, all were members of or supported the Republican cause.

But beyond that they were all ardent fascists in one form or another.

The great journalist Eric Sevaried actually got his start chasing these right-wing fascist movements around Minnesota.
The directly traceable roots of America's right-wing fascist enablers sees common threads in industry scions and politicos of the American right that lead directly to those in power today. This fact is often lost among the outrage and hue and cry of those who hope for their America to have a more democratic and humanist face. Like the one we were all taught exists as a shining beacon on a hill. Remember that? Public school? In the 50’s? The 60’s ? I do. And I bought into it.

Yet it seems more and more, our hopes, our inculcations of what this country is and should be, are attacked as “un-American”. Now we find ourselves compared to what was, in an ironic yet classic neocon tango, a movement which was actually rooted in right wing Republicanism.

I keep hoping these guys are just a bad joke, that someone, particularly those who still see fit to support these bozos, will wake up one day and realizes this IS the second coming of the fascist movement, and this isn’t the Boys from Brazil, this isn’t a Germanic-named city council in Paraguay, this is today’s Right wing republican movement. And those guys, the warmongers and profiteers of today, would be quite comfortable in 1930's America, despising Roosevelt then as now.

Sieg fucking heil, y'all

[bleever]

1. If 9/11 happened, and you evacuated the bin Ladens first,

would that be appeasement?

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

2. If you invaded Iraq to cover

the withdrawl of American troops from Saudi Arabia (which is what Bin Laden was pissed off about) is that appeasment?

[Stinky The Clown]

3. Cap'n, you're absolutely right .......

.... and not just appeasers .... sympathizers ...... enablers ..... and kindred spirits.

See Bush progenitors

[RamboLiberal]

4. The Illustrious Dunderheads is a good book on the statements

of the "leaders" of that time.

"I know that our people hate everything that Hitler stands for, we despise dictatorship in any form, but I challenge anyone to tell us the difference between the Executive Orders issued by Roosevelt and those issued by Hitler..." George Bender, (R) Ohio 9/26/40

"When are we going to get rid of Churchill and stop fighting England's wars?...If our President's leadership is failing us in this war, what can we do about it?" Fred Bradley (R) Mich 2/18/42 - 2 months after Pearl Harbor!

"...We often hear it said that we should get into this war to preserve our civilization. That is not what these people mean at all. We should get into this war to save the money system of England and the U.S." Usher Burdick (R) ND

"I don't know what you think of Lindbergh or his judgement; but personally, I believe he is the one man who told the world the truth from the very beginning of the trouble in Europe...For his loyalty he is called a traitor." Frank Carlson (R) TX

To be fair there is a few DINO's like Willaim Barry of NY. We can not only trade with Hitler but we can make a nice profit doing so." Said at an America First Rally November 1941.

[TheMadMonk]

5. Why is she making the "goat's horns" sign?

That is anything but a Christian gesture.

[RC]

6. Goat Horns sign - - -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corna

The corna (Italian for horns, also mano cornuta, horned hand) is a gesture with a vulgar meaning in Mediterranean countries. Its origins can be traced to Ancient Greece. It is realized by stretching the index and little fingers while holding the middle and ring fingers down with the thumb.

The same gesture is used for warding off bad luck or the evil eye. It is also used as a reference to Satan and Satanism, at least since the 1960s, and has a variety of meanings in heavy metal, where it is also known as devil horns, goat horns, metal horns, throwing the goat, evil fingers, Pommesgabel, mano cornuto, peka evil or just the horns. There is a theory suggesting that Corna is the antagonist of the Sign of the Cross, where three fingers brought to a point symbolize the Holy Trinity. The opposite of the Holy Trinity is the Unholy Trinity (Satan, Antichrist and the False Prophet), represented by the three fingers of the Corna.

[Capn Sunshine]

7. However, this is a Texas thing

She's an alum of U of Texas, football national champions whose collegial sign is the sign of the bull ( "Hook'em, Horns"- the team's name is the Longhorns) ) quite common in Tejas.

Arguments are made by satanists she is actually hailing her lord and master while pointing at his place of power, but then again, it could just be Texanosity.

[robcon]

8. The only Democratic Nazi-appeaser was Joe Kennedy.

The father of JFK was a leading Nazi-appeaser. He was the ambassador to Great Britain in the late 30's.

[no_hypocrisy]

9. Joseph P. Kennedy, ambassador to the Court of St. James, told a

reporter that democracy was finished in Britain and maybe the U.S. This assessment finished Kennedy's prospect of a political career for himself in this country and his contemporaneous diplomatic career. Although his ties were with the Roosevelt administration, his true political leanings were that of an isolationist republican.

[baldguy]

10. What do you mean "were"?

http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/buchanan.html

[rhett o rick]

11. I think fascism is closer than many think. If you were to list 20 steps

necessary for fascism, I think you'd find we've already made 15 of them. The remaining big step is to get the SCOTUS to rule in the ACLU vs. NSA case that the Constitution allows the President (this President) to be a "unitary executive" with all power and no restrictions in a time of war.

Peace and Freedom

[gratuitous]

12. And the people who fought against it were . . .

Oh yeah, idealistic leftists who did something that today's chickenhawk wingers would never do: They went off and fought the fascists, toe-to-toe, in Spain for the Abraham Lincoln Brigade. You don't see any Ronald Reagan Brigades of young rightists going off to Iran or Lebanon or any of the other "islamofascist" hot spots, do you?

[Capn Sunshine]

14. ...and in the War, the administration who fought and won were Democrats

By the way, they did it in less time than we have been in Iraq.
Oh, and they caught Hitler.

[nini]

13. Don't you know they are allowed to rewrite history?

Well, they try to do it all the time and they've done a pretty good job so expect this latest talking spin to take with the morans too.


People are sooooooo stupid and have such short memories.













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