Santorum being bitch slapped by Casey - Meet The Press

[MoonRiver]

Man On Dog got noJomentum! :D

[blue neen]

1. Details please.

It's not on in Pittsburgh until 10:30. :)

[MoonRiver]

2. His record, e.g. supporting the FAILED * policy toward Iraq

and taxes and Social Security, cometh back to bite his pasty arse.

[blue neen]

3. I was hoping Casey would get him on Social Security.

Santorum has been running those ads in PA where he's at a polka party with seniors. He talks about working to guarantee their Social Security. Meanwhile, Lil' Ricky did exactly the opposite--toured the state touting Bush's privatization plan.

[MoonRiver]

5. I sure hope, and looks like that's the case, that PA seniors aren't biting

Don't know about the cheating factor in PA (hopefully it's nil), but based on this debate, I see Casey winning in a landslide.

[petgoat]

56. PA was one of the most statistically anomalous states in

the 2004 Presidential election.

It escaped notice because Kerry still won, but there were, if memory serves,
1 million excess votes for Bush in PA, and Kerry's win was a squeaker.

[globalvillage]

4. This isn't fair.

I can't wait till 10:30.

:-)

Good news for Mr. Casey in new poll.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2039848

[MoonRiver]

8. WOOHOO on those polls!!

:woohoo:

[durrrty libby]

6. Thanks for the reminder

It will be on at 10:00 for me.

I hope this deep sixes Ricky for good

:spank:

[nickshepDEM]

7. Im a huge Casey supporter, but sometimes he comes off as

a bit of a putz. How is he doing now? I pray to god he does well, because Santorum supporters have been claiming for months that this race will be all over once Santorum owns Casey in the debates.

[MoonRiver]

9. I like what I'm seeing/hearing from him.

He sounds like the voice of sanity in a nut house.

[blue neen]

10. He personally called me on the phone, from his home, on a Sunday night.

Casey is a genuinely nice and caring individual. He spent 45 minutes on the phone with me, and we talked about every issue under the sun. I asked him tough question after tough question, and he seemed very well informed about everything.

I had written him a letter. Mr. Casey said he was so touched by the letter that he felt compelled to respond. I was impressed that he cared enough about one voter's opinions to call her at home from his own home (I could hear his daughters in the background).

I then got to meet Bob at a fundraiser. He is warm and intelligent, and I think this campaigning "thing" is starting to grow on him.

I may not agree with him on every issue, but he would represent this state very well.

[Stevepol]

19. Did you bring up the voting machines?

That's an issue everywhere now. PA has plenty of opportunity for rigging. He should not concede if he happens to lose no matter what and fight to the bitter end, demand recounts, etc., especially if as usual the polls show him leading going in and/or the exit polls show him winning.

[1932]

64. Wow. You should discuss Casey and the things

you talked about as much as possible here at DU and elsewhere -- it's not often that a person does something like Casey did. It should have some resonance beyond the consersation you had.

[blue neen]

66. I've told many, many people in the area where I live.

Democrats and Republicans, both. They all seem to be very impressed that Casey would make such an effort.

When Casey called he said, "Is this the #### residence?" I said, "Yes." He said, "This is Bob Casey."
I said, "Right." He then said, "No really, it is. I got your letter." Then I knew it was really him, because no one else knew about that letter.

There were a lot of family problems and situations that I explained to Bob. He was genuinely moved by what I had written to him. Can you imagine that arrogant Santorum making such a call?

I got to meet him at a fundraiser in Pittsburgh which John Edwards also attended. Casey remembered me right away.

I know Republicans in this area who are repulsed by Santorum and can't wait to vote him out of office.
Bob Casey will represent our state much better than that sleazy Santorum could ever hope to.

[1932]

68. Santorum might have called you...

...if you were, say, a defense contractor, and you were having problems making a humongous profit.

[MoonRiver]

11. Question for PA Duers.

Is Rendell supporting Santorum????? Russert quoted Rendell as saying "Santorum delivers."
:wtf:

[globalvillage]

13. No.

He must be referring to a comment Gov Rendell made a couple weeks ago, but Rendell absolutely supports Casey, I'm working on a combined Rendell/Casey phone bank and canvassing project at the Gov's Pittsburgh HQ.
I also heard the Gov say something nice about his opponent (Swann) at the Dem picnic this summer. That doesn't mean he supports him.
How did Casey respond to this? I can't watch it until 10:30.

[MoonRiver]

15. He didn't say much, just that Rendell has been very supportive.

I was a little surprised that he didn't object more vehemently to this lie. Hope Rendell responds soon. :mad:

[blue neen]

16. Casey is going to be at the annual Labor Day Celebration

tomorrow at Northmoreland Park, between 1:00 and 3:00. I'm going to try to get over there to show my support.

Casey will also be in the Labor Day Parade in Pittsburgh in the morning.

[globalvillage]

18. It's going to feel odd

being at the parade with Mayor O'Connor lying in state at the city/county bldg.
I guess I'll go to show my support for both of them.

[Olney Blue]

49. I'm sorry about Mayor O'Connor- that was a shock.

[MADem]

33. Fucking Russert. Typical if he did say that.

The truncated quote, perhaps?

SANTORUM DELIVERS....death and destruction.

SANTORUM DELIVERS...cold homes in winter, empty school lunch plates.

You get my drift!

[MoonRiver]

35. Timbo was definitely implying that Rendell supports Santorum.

I couldn't believe it, that's why I asked. Guess he had to throw the Repukes a bone, lie though it was. :mad:

[MADem]

36. Yeah, I have it on, that bit just came on. Russert is a fuckwad

Ahhh....but NOW they're doing the homeschooling. Hehheheheheheheh....!

[MoonRiver]

37. Homeschooling bit was a real beaut!

Dog may run but he can't hide!

[MADem]

61. Well, Rendell has call now to demand some NBC network time

...to refute Timmy's suggestion that he was in the Man on Dog camp. I hope Rendell does some pushing--it can only help!~

[MoonRiver]

12. Hahaha! Now Santorum is squirming desperately to explain home schooling

his kids, while PA has to pay his local school $55,000 as a result! What a hypocritical weasel.
:puke:

[salin]

21. glad this issue didn't die ... shows what a selfish/hypocritical

opportunist he is. Oh, especially when combined with his pushing for "tort reform" and reward limits - after his wife sued and won some decent $$$ in a malpractice suit against a chiropractor.

Ricky wants his, but doesn't think anyone else should get theirs.

[cornermouse]

14. So what is it Santorum? Flyovers?

He estimated he may have spent 30 nights in his house in Pennsylvania last year and then went on to defend himself about attacking former opponent on the basis of time spent in Pennsylvania as approximately 28 days during the year. For some odd reason he thinks the fact that he owns a home in Pennsylvania that he may have spent 30 nights in out of 365 makes him better than his former opponent. :rofl:

And good for Timmy. He actually asked a few questions today.

[MoonRiver]

17. Teehee, "about" 30 days and COUNTING!

:D

[durrrty libby]

26. Casey seems very intelligent

Ha! What does it mean when people (like me)

care about a debate between candidates who have nothing

to do with my state?


:toast:

[MoonRiver]

28. Means we want to take back our government!

:bounce:

[johnfunk]

43. About 30 days, give or take 29!

Which is why we call him
Rick "The Virginian" Santorum

[globalvillage]

20. He's got a 700K house in VA

and a 100K house in Penn Hills.
Hmmm...

I pay more in Alleg Co. taxes than Icky does.

[countingbluecars]

24. Just a bit of trivia

but his house in VA would sell for well over a million.

[globalvillage]

25. His house in PA was assessed at $106K

Guess I'd live in the million dollar mansion, too.

[Donna Zen]

22. Timmy actually helped the Democratic this morning

Why was Casey unable to say that he would have voted against the war given what we know now? He couldn't get it out.

Casey did win the debate although Timmy helped with several jabs at Man on Dog. BTW, Santorum should never be let anywhere near the levers of government. Anywhere. Ever.

Bio: Me. Born and raised in Pittsburgh. Interested.

[MoonRiver]

23. What's the situation with voting machines there? eom

[MH1]

39. Actually, he did say

** if we knew then what we know now ** he wouldn't have voted for it because it wouldn't have been able to come up for a vote.

He was trying to be supportive of those Dems who did vote for it (and his own prior statements) because this is all a rhetorical exercise - of course we DIDN'T know then what we know now. (Many of us suspected, but suspicion != knowledge)

[Donna Zen]

57. Not about the Casey answer

The WMD have no impact on the fact that the idea of invading Iraq is a strategic geopolitical blunder in addition to being illegal.

Nevertheless, in reference to Casey's answer: Timmy had to ask him several times. I would suggest that any Democrat needs to understand that this will be an issue, and that the answer needs to be unqualified and crisp. Fine, if he wants to say that knowing what we know he wouldn't have voted for it. Personally, I would drop the "never come up for a vote" because it's one too many qualifiers. Get the answer out.

BTW. When I saw Hegel in March, he said that he never bought into the WMD threat about Saddam. He said he voted "yea" to support his president (I hate when the republicans use that possessive pronoun) and because he, Hegel, thought that bush would vigorously pursue diplomacy. Clear answer.

[karynnj]

58. I agree with you - for the most part, Russert was tough on Santorum

and actually helped Casey on rephrasing the IWR question at least twice to get him to restate that he now thinks it was a mistake. Russert seemed to anger Santorum at various points especially when he spoke of how close he was to Bush and when he spoke about his Pennsylvania house.

[watercolors]

27. Russett was tough on Santorum

surprised me on he really dogged him for answeres. First time I have seen Casey, I was impressed, really like how calm, cool and collective he seems. Sanitorum seems like a wack job, or a whinny Lieberman type!

[Kali]

30. "seems like a wack job, or a whinny Lieberman type!"

Republican.

[Major Hogwash]

29. Why does Russert help those guys by having them on his program?

That is what pisses me off.

Then Russert always uses the right-wing rhetoric whwnever he questions the Democrats when they go on his program.

If I was running for office, I wouldn't go on his program, he just denigrates Democrats.

[DesertRat]

31. I'm watching it now. Casey has Santorum on the defensive

:bounce:

[globalvillage]

32. Icky's blaming the American people?

Oh, man. He's dug his grave.
:-)

[chieftain]

34. Casey put to rest my fears that he is a lackluster candidate.

He acquitted himself very well and,of course, Tricky Ricky was his nausea inducing self. On a side note I thought Fat Timmy bordered on impartial. His performance coupled with Nora O'Donnell's recent impersonation of a real journalist has got to be unsettling to Republicans who have become comfortable using NBC News as a stenographic service.

[hollowdweller]

38. He's KILLING him

Santorum just keeps trying to deflect criticisim of Iraq by trying to blame it all on Iran. Casey is on the attack but also has the whole situation on his side. I also LOVE how he's making sure to tie Santorum to Bush in every sentence just like Bush did with Iraq and 9/11.

Casey is REALLY impressing me. He's after him and really showing a hell of a lot of balls!

[CANDO]

76. I was thinking about his repetition on the Iran thing myself.

It's just another way of trying to deflect attention away from the fact that they have no plan for ever getting us out of Iraq. It also works nicely for them ginning up the Iran operation. Toward the end, Man on Dog was really getting loud and desperate. I was hoping Bob would tell him to pipe down and stop yelling, but then I realized he let him go so people could see how irate and out of control he was.

[blue neen]

40. It looked like Lil' Ricky was coming unhinged.

Casey was cool, calm, and collected and conducted himself very well. He seemed in control in contrast to Santorum's red-faced yelling.

[MoonRiver]

41. Yes, that's the impression I got also.

The fool has met his Waterloo, and he's in full panic mode! :kick:

[Penndems]

42. You've seen the debate - now go VOTE on it!

http://www.politicspa.com/BallotBox.htm

[MoonRiver]

44. Done, but wtf is up with the results?????

Are there REALLY that many stupid people out there?

[Penndems]

45. My guess is the Santorum campaign sent an E-mail out to his supporters

telling them about the poll on Politics PA. I (literally) just got the message a minute ago from [e-mail].

[MoonRiver]

46. OK. That explains it.

Why don't you start a new DU this Poll thread. We need to get some reality into this poll.

[Penndems]

47. Good idea, and I'm sorry that I didn't think of it, LOL!

I'll post a message in the GD-Politics forum with the link.

[MoonRiver]

48. Great!

:kick:

[snowbear]

73. And also--->>> it should be posted at the GD section of this forum too

If you really want a LOT of responses... Lots of activity over there.

That poll has been FREEPED big time! If you go to Free Republic, you'll see that 1,477 r-THUGS have already voted for INSANE-atorum.

You are right... the poll needs help, but it won't get it if it's only posted at GD-Politics.

GOOoooOOOOooOOo Casey!

[flyarm]

52. the poll needs it's own thread PA'ERS...AND NEEDS TO BE ON

PA BOARD ON DU!! NOW!!

FLY

[Penndems]

55. I'll post it in the Pennsylvania forum now

n/t

[snowbear]

77. I posted it over at General Discussion...

Then later someone else did too... So it's well represented over there!

[Vinca]

50. Santorum was pathetic. What's with that poll? nt

[MoonRiver]

51. Penndems reported that Santorum's people got a mass email

about this poll before it even came out! They have been hitting it early and hard.

[Penndems]

54. Pure speculation on my part, but having worked on political campaigns

since 1994, that would be my guess.

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Mass]

59. He is being slapped by Timmy. That was curious.

I guess Casey won the debate because Ricky was so weak, but, frankly, what was it with Casey saying he would have voted for Santorum Iran bill and agreeing with Santorum on Iran. Did he even read the bill?

[wisteria]

60. Casey is extremely week on global issues and especially on the

Iraq and terror war. He needs a real good coach, like Kerry maybe.

[globalvillage]

63. I think the same answer Sen Kerry gave about Lamont applies.

IIRC, he said that at one point, every senator is a first term senator.
I think Casey's got what it takes. I don't agree with him on every issue, especially on his not supporting a timeline for redeployment, but I do think he will vote with Dems.
And I believe he won the debate decisively. He had Santorum borderline raving. I think Casey's calm demeanor really drives Ricky nuts (or nuttier, I guess).
It's not really a tactic, it's just how Casey is, but IMO, it works well.

I agree, Sen Kerry would be a great mentor for our future senator.

[AX10]

67. The real election season begins on Tuesday.

Casey still has time (not much though) to keep and build onto his lead.

[wisteria]

71. I think Lamont is much clearer on where he stands on Iraq.

I was very disappointed in his quick answer against Kerry's plan. He could have at least given Kerry some credit for certain parts of the plan. It appeared he was running as far away as possible from it. No doubt he will vote Dem though, I never thought he wouldn't. I think the disappointment in his not at least supporting kerry at all was my biggest complaint, that and to a lesser extent, that he seemed a little smug. he is being guided by Paul Begalia,and I can see his influence in this debate. I don't care for Begalia's style.

That said, I need to go back to English 101, I spelled weak wrong. Gosh, I have got to start proof reading.

[MoonRiver]

65. He didn't sound weak during the debate.

I just think he needs some fine tuning on how to fight Repukelican lies and smears. It's difficult for decent people to understand how sick and twisted these thugs are, but a little time in the trenches will teach him.

[Imagevision]

62. Santorum's days are numbered, it wouldn't take much to replace him

[Dinger]

69. Was It Me, Or Did santorum

get more air time, get away with interrupting Casey (a lot), and timmy interrupted Casey too, almost always as he tried to answer, and timmy didn't interrupt santorum near as much as he did Casey. Or was it me?????

[RamboLiberal]

70. I don't think it was you - I think Santorum got far more air time

He's a master at the Repuke trick on fast-endless talking and interrupting your opponent. And Timmy like a lot of the pundits let him get away with it. Plus in some cases not letting Casey answer a talking point.

[MoonRiver]

72. I think he did give Santorum more time.

But that just gave the little blowhard fascist more opportunities to bury himself. :D

[Bridget Dooley]

74. Actually...

...I thought Casy was extremely weak on MTP this morning. He sounded unprepared and did not debate well.

[MoonRiver]

75. Another Dog-Man fan surfaces!

Must be the word "bitch" in my title! }(

[snowbear]

78. Why is it....

....that only those who are non-DU supporters liked Santorum more than Casey in that debate?

Santorum SUCKED.

Casey easily won.

Strange... strange.... strange..

[MoonRiver]

79. It's also interesting how these types come in waves,

usually following some pathetic media flop by a r/w nutjob. :shrug: