Dean supporters are not going to switch to Clark

[KaraokeKarlton]

No amount of new threads started to try to convince us is going to work, especially not after the events of the last few days. Our resolve has only gotten stronger. We don't buy into the fear that Saddam's capture has changed anything.

We aren't buying what you're selling. You're wasting your time.

[webkev]

1. I was a Dean Supporter

and I switched to Clark?

[KaraokeKarlton]

You'll be back

before it's time to vote. :D

[kerry-is-my-prez]

12. I used to be also. I will go to Kerry, Edwards, Gephardt before Dean

Partly because I think they all have a better chance to beat Bush and also I supported Dean before I found out about his record on the Environment, Criminal Justice and the mentally ill.

I'd probably support him before Lieberman. I would most likely support Kucinich before Dean because I think they have equal chances to win and I agree with Kucinich's stances on the issues much more than Dean.

[KaraokeKarlton]

22. Let me guess

you listened to a certain rabid anti-Dean Kerry supporter, right? Too bad for you because that particular poster hasn't been truthful in their attacks against Dean and I KNOW this because I live here in Vermont.

:eyes:

[Red_Storm]

25. What about his record on the Environment, Criminal Justice...

and the mentally ill ? ....i'm not a Dean supporter but would appreciate the info........

[KaraokeKarlton]

28. Some anti-Dean people are using

attacks made by opponents against Dean during governor races here in Vermont. Basically, if you're the type of person who believes and agrees with Green Party rhetoric against Democrats during heated election cycles, you'd be interested in the "info". The fact of the matter is, the "info" is spun, twisted, mangled and exaggerated to the point that it's nowhere near being accurate. It's a bunch of nonsense, basically.

[Nicholas_J]

51. The "I live in Vermont"

Line just doesnt fly. Many people who live in Vermont who did not vote for Dean ever are Democrats and Progressives. Many who voted for Dean are Republicans.



many of the articles that are criticizedcas being incorrect about Deans environmental record come form environmentalkists who live in Vermont. Some have come from people Dean himself appointed to the Vermont Environmental Board:

Governor talks about coal-fired power plant


Mark Sinclair, head of the Vermont office of the Conservation Law Foundation, said the governor should consider highly efficient combined-cycle natural gas power plants rather than coal.
"It is just the complete wrong direction," he said of the governor's thinking. "CLF will take all efforts to stop the construction of a coal-fired power plant in Vermont."

http://www.vtce.org/coal.html

Smith is no stranger to Dean's environmental record, having tangled with the Dean administration on everything from the OMYA Corporation's mining to pesticide usage on Vermont's mega-farms. When Smith learned that Dean was holding a press conference at the Burlington Community Boathouse last week to celebrate his eco-legacy, she fired off emails to Vermont environmentalist calling for a protest of the event and wondering if they were "going to let Governor Dean ride out on his white horse of environmental leadership?"

It was Smith who stumbled onto Dean's official gubernatorial web site a couple of years ago and found a bucolic photo of her home town of Danby being featured with this caption: "Time stands still hereyou might even forget when it's time to go home." Ironically, the location depicted in the photo was the same spot Dean was pushing to host a massive gas pipeline, a plan that would have required timber clear-cuts and other dramatic topographical changes. The Dean team removed the photo within a couple of weeks, but not before Smith made hay with his apparent hypocrisy.

"Dean's attempts to run for president as an environmentalist is nothing but a fraud," Smith told Wild Matters. "He's destroyed the Agency of Natural Resources, he's refused to meet with environmentalists while constantly meeting with the development community, and he's made the permitting process one, big dysfunctional joke."

Those are not the words you'd expect to hear from an environmentalist if all you relied on for your news was the mainstream press. The Burlington Free Press, for example, has spent considerable space putting one coat of varnish after another on Dean's tenure, including a rather smarmy salute to his eco-record. The word from those quarters is that Dean is the environment's friend and he's done nothing but anger the business community by slowing development and stymieing growth.

http://www.counterpunch.org/colby02222003.html

CLF seeks details of Dean administration’s talks with utilities
March 11, 2002

(from the State section)
By SUSAN SMALLHEER Southern Vermont Bureau

MONTPELIER — The Conservation Law Foundation will file a freedom of information request with the Dean administration today to find out how many contacts it has had with Vermont utility executives over the pending sale of the Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant.

Mark Sinclair, senior attorney with the environmental group, said Monday that recent news reports about the financial contributions made by Vermont utility executives or board members to Gov. Howard Dean’s presidential campaign political action committee were “too much of a coincidence.”

Sinclair said the new offer from Entergy Nuclear of Jackson, Miss., last week wasn’t substantially better than the original bid, and doesn’t really address the serious concerns raised by the state earlier this winter about local control and other economic issues.

“The department didn’t get anything,” he said.

Sinclair compared it to the negotiations with Vice President Dick Cheney by energy companies that are now subject to an investigation by the General Accounting Office


http://rutlandherald.nybor.com/Archive/Articles/Article/43924


Mr Sinclair was one of Dean's appointees to the Vemront Environmental Board, and among the 4 in Deans purge of the Envronmental Board who Dean refused to reappoint when the questioned his ideas about using coal fired plants in Vermont.


Here is another discussion of the concerns of one of the foremost Vermont Envoronmentalists about the sale of Vermont Yankee:

Testimony on
Issues Surrounding the Sale of Vermont Yankee

Vermont Senate Finance Committee

January 18, 2001


My name is Annette Smith. I live in Danby. I am Executive Director of Vermonters for a Clean Environment, a grassroots organization formed as a result of the proposed natural gas power plant and pipeline project in southwestern Vermont. For the past two years, I have been following energy issues regionally and nationally, with emphasis on natural gas, energy markets, and deregulation.

My comments today are not directly related to who buys Vermont's nuclear power plant or for how much. I agree with others who feel that the case before the Public Service Board concerning the sale of Vermont Yankee is and should be insulated from politics. VCE is not a party to that case and we do not intend to intervene in that docket.

The energy marketplace is changing so fast that it is hard for people, even those in the industry, to keep up. Vermonters are watching the proposed sale of Vermont Yankee, arbitration over the Hydro-Quebec Contract, a restructuring docket before the Public Service Board, and other utility issues that await resolution. Everyone seems to be holding his breath waiting for all these issues to be resolved before entering into a discussion about Vermont's energy future.

I would like to suggest that right now is the time to be talking about Vermont's electricity issues. Should Vermont Yankee be sold, or should it remain under the ownership of Vermont's regulated utilities, maintaining the status quo? What is most likely to happen if we stay the course the utilities are on, selling Vermont Yankee, getting out of the Hydro-Quebec contract, and embracing the current fantasy of "consumer choice" and "retail competition?"

http://www.vtce.org/yankee.html

Howard Dean: the Progressive Anti-War Candidate?
Some Vermonters Give Their Views
By DONNA BISTER, MARC ESTRIN
and RON JACOBS



Environment

As Governor, Howard Dean endorsed the National Governors Association policy opposing the Kyoto Protocol unless it included mandatory emissions cuts for developing countries, and recommending that the United States "not sign or ratify any agreement that would result in serious harm to the U.S. economy." For environmentalists, EP, under Dean's leadership, came to mean "Expedite Permits", rather than Environmental Protection. Business leaders were especially impressed with the way Dean went to bat for them against Vermont's stringent environmental regulations. For more, read Michael Colby's excellent review of Dean's environmental misbehavior.



http://www.counterpunch.org/jacobs08292003.html

While Dean was a member of the National Governors Asosciation he ENDORSED the policy of the U.S. mnot signing the Kyoto Protocols.

Again. Deans ideology of "SMART GROWTH" is just kiddy code for "let big business do any amount of polutting it wants if it creates jobs"

His policy and legislation are virtual twins of the Bush Administrations "Clear Skies" initiatives, and Dean more than any other Vermont Governor simply created environmental legislations and then told his regulators not to go after anyone violating the regs.


Oh , but I forgot. Only those Vermonters who live in Vermont and support Dean have the correct picture of Howard Dean.

[Red_Storm]

62. thanx for the informed response i was waiting for...............

instead of the typical "they're all lies, dean did nothing wrong, he's great" line so often seen around here.........

[Demobrat]

8. And we should believe that

why? The Dean blog is flooded every day with Clarkies claiming to be ex-Dean supporters. Karaoke's right. It's not going to work. You guys need to concentrate on the undecideds, not Dean supporters. It's your only hope.

[Nicholas_J]

54. The Kerry Board

Is flooded with REAL ex Dean supporters who regret having given money to the Dean campaign and even one who asked for her money back, and when the Dean people refused, hadd to get the Credit Card company to go after the Dean Campaign.

Literally hundreds a day log onto Kerry's blog, stating that they wish that had not supported Dean in the beginning giving him the boost that placed him where he is now.

[Demobrat]

76. Hundreds a day?

Bwahahahahaha. Last time I was there, he didn't have 100 posts total.

[Capn Sunshine]

14. just who will the Clarkies support

When he stages the final strategic withdrawal from the race itself?
If he doesn't pick up some mo really damn fast all this Clarkie inundation here will just be more graffitti on another internet BB.

Single digits after all this ?

[Name removed]

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[Renew Deal]

37. What I want to say will get my thread deleted.

So let me just say that you are very very wrong.

[AnnitaR]

57. It's posts like these that we just don't need around here!

I am deeply offended that anyone has the nerve to say that because I am supporting Clark that my first love is W!!!!

We do not need this kind of filth slung at anyone here on this board NO MATTER WHO THEY SUPPORT!!!

Can someone please delete this crap?!!?!?

[leftynyc]

72. It's high time to realize that

one of the reasons I (I can't speak for other Clark supporters) support Clark is because he's the only one that can beat Bush. Dean will lose 40+ states. It WILL be a landslide.

[Demobrat]

78. You guys need a new theme line.

Only Clark Can Win is a failure.

[TLM]

82. Yeah the guy who can't beat Dean... or Lieberman... Or Kerry

is the only guy who can beat Bush.


As I've said this whole lame claim is based on the wet dream delusion that Clark is going to call W out on being AWOL and that's going to make everything come crashing down around W's ears.

The fact is that Rove and CO will point our Clark got fired from his command for making BAD ORDERS, and then they'll paint him as a power hungry mad man with no experience in office. When Clark hits the AWOL point, the Bush crew will say this election is not about the past and is not about Vietnam, this is about the security of America today... they'll knock the AWOL issue right out easily.

They'll paint W as the successful leader who protected us and took out saddam...and Clark will have nothing to run with because he's making the mistake of making the race about a "who is the best warrior" pissing contest.

Clark is not the juggernaut you people seem to think he is. He can't even beat Dean in SC or NH, where he's putting all his money. So how the hell is he supposed to beat Bush?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

18. IF he does, most of us will support Kerry, Gep or Edwards is my guess

Dean is too non-compassionate (and conservative) for me.

[stickdog]

49. That's not what your President thinks.

Your ABD stance is remarkably shallow and simplistic for someone participating on a political message board.

Was the Iraqi War your idea of liberal compassion?

[jumptheshadow]

65. You hit it on the head

Dean is not compassionate enough. Nor is he a diplomat. He and his supporters seem too homogeneous. His entire movement screams of suburban angst. I will support anybody but Lieberman over Dean.

[TLM]

84. Dean is too non-compassionate for you?

Yet Clark, who supports the School of the Americas is perfectly OK?

So South American death squads are you idea of compassion?


Never mind the doctor who got/expanded health care programs for kids, reduced child abuse rates in his state by more than half, set up perscription benefits for the elderly, supported in home care programs, pushed civil unions, and funded education, is not compassionate?

That's just digging up splinters from the bottom of the barrel.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

20. Yawn

:eyes:

Clark is here to stay, sorry to burst your bubble. His fundraising numbers alone will cause a big boost, and will carry him all the way through to the end of the primaries.

Clark DID accept matching funds, btw, so Dean is going to be behind on cash-on-hand at the end of the year.

DTH

[Demobrat]

23. Behind?

Heh.

[webkev]

21. I just gave him another $75 today, I know my brother has given over $300

[bearfartinthewoods]

31. i hope you are saving some for the general

hate to see that well run dry when we really need it.

[Demobrat]

32. Doesn't matter if he does or not.

Clark's limited to $45M for the primaries. Pretty pathetic up against W's $200M.

[Clark Can WIN]

59. Capn' that's not like you

And very unbecoming.

Clark has done nothing but gain momentum, in the last three days especially. Does it make you uncomfortable?

[joefree1]

2. Unless Clark gets the Nomination, or Kerry, or Edwards, or ...

But I would have to hold my nose to vote for Holy Joe.


Images from Dean Rocks the House of Blues, Hollywood
From wtmusic http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=919849
From Joefree1 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=921300

Dean Rocks The House of Blues
If you went also check in here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=106&topic_id=4536

[TLM]

86. Don't forget about my pictures....

http://www.geocities.com/theliberalmedia/dean.htm

[pinkpops]

3. No one should change who they support based on

current events. If you do you are being manipulated.

[roguevalley]

5. change when the nominee is picked at the convention, if he isn't your

candidate. support who you want until then. Easy thing for me.

[bluestateguy]

4. Well maybe

but the tide could be turning...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=908713&mesg_id=908713

[KaraokeKarlton]

13. No, it's not turning at all

Many Dean supporters have left DU because they were sick of being called cult members, nazis and uninformed. I might add that no election is decided on DU polls. Dean leads in just about every state that is doing polls, and from the new polls I'm seeing, it doesn't look as if that's changed a bit despite the capture of Saddam.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

17. See Ya, Dean Supporters Who Left or Are Leaving DU

Politics is a rough sport, if Dean is the nominee you'd better get used to it, because Bush is going to be a whole hell of a lot worse.

Clark supporters have certainly suffered much abuse at the hands of many, I haven't heard of a similar "exodus" from DU as a result.

Maybe we're just tougher because we're more likely to be pragmatists.

DTH

[Demobrat]

26. Or maybe Dean supporters

have better things to do than be attacked by desperate Clark and bitter Kerry supporters. Like work for their candidate.

[retyred]

39. Well as they say:

Marijuana kills brain cells....but only the "WEAK" ones. buh-by!



george bush…pResident?

retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
So I read this book

[Scott Lee]

47. There's no "exodus" of Dean supporters at DU.

A few may have decided to do that, but most stick around. I'm one of them. And believe me, I'll be here to grin after Convention night, complete with a box of kleenex and brie cheese for my broken hearted comrades.

[Romberry]

68. LOL!!!

Dude, it's been Clarkies and Kerryists dishing it out. Over and over and over. The only thing Dean people wanted was to be able to support thie guy. Sorry, but Clark is toast.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

77. Yeah, Right

There are plenty of Dean supporters who do little but slam Clark, and I've got an Ignore list as long as my arm that proves you wrong.

DTH

[Romberry]

67. Yup. I hardly even check in here any more

It seems as if all I see is one Dean bashing thread after another from Clark and Kerry supporters. Must be sour grapes.

Anyone that wants to really get a look at what is going on only need look at the big name endorsements coming down for Dean, the MeetUp numbers or, even better, that pathetic "birthday cake" thing on the Clark blog where they want to raise 118 grand. The thing has been up for six days and all they have to show for it is 48k. 48k isn't even a decent afternoon for The Bat.

Let 'em live in denial. Let 'em bash Dean. If their candidates can't even win the nomination against a small state governor from Vermont, dunno why they think their guy is better suited to take on Bush.

Anyway, Saddam's capture will be old news by the time an election rolls around and even if it wouldn't you have Clark basically on the same page as Dean in being against the war (unless he's flip-flopped again) and Kerry saying he didn't mean for his war vote to actually lead to war.

Funny stuff!

Dean 04!

[TLM]

87. ANd lets not forget that so many Clarkies have flooded in for polls

that even Skinner called them on it.

[maddezmom]

6. Same for Clark supporters, I'm not changing my vote for Dean. n/t

[Lefta Dissenter]

7. OK

then will you give us the same honor? Perhaps some of us don't like being told that we should pack our bags and get behind Dean, even before one vote has been cast.

And I'm sure you're aware of the 'hide thread' feature, so you don't have to look at any of the threads you don't like.

[4dsc]

9. I'm in Iowa

and I am a DEAN supporter and will be at the caucuses in January!! Bring it on Clark supporter..

[DoveTurnedHawk]

10. Thanks for Speaking for All Dean Supporters, Everywhere

:eyes:

DTH

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. I was a Dean supporter and

I THANKED G-D when Clark entered the race. I WON'T be back. You can take that to the bank.

I don't trust any candidate who refuses to promise that he WILL NOT appoint pro-life federal judges to the bench. Sorry.

[Name removed]

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[DoveTurnedHawk]

30. Don't Forget "I SPEAK FOR *ALL* DEAN SUPPORTERS!"

I mean, wow. I wasn't aware it was a hive mind!

DTH

[Rowdyboy]

36. "We are DEAN...You must assimilate...Resistance is futile..."

I'm sorry...I just couldn't help myself :)

No Dean supporters were harmed in the production of this post...(and no insult was intended)

[Jacobin]

15. I've been a Dean supporter from the start. If Clark gets nom, I'll vote

for him.

I hope they end up being running mates.

[Jack_Dawson]

44. Good Job Jacobin

We welcome your support.

[Closer]

19. Let them keep trying

Dean's almost to the point of being unstoppable.

They better get used to President Dean.


Oh, and here's a pic for the Clark supporters to enjoy:

[webkev]

24. weak

(nt)

[TLM]

88. Gads.... looks like the kind of guy

who would make excuses for bombing civilains and support the school of the americas.

[Jerseycoa]

27. I don't want Dean supporters to switch

unless Clark wins the nomination. I don't expect it, I'm not looking for it, I don't want it. Just so you know.

[PlanetBev]

33. I like Dean but switched to Clark

Everytime I go to a Clark Meet-up, there are more and more Republicans and Independents there. I just think Clark would appeal to a wider range of people, especially in the South.

[TLM]

89. CLark will appeal to Republicans and Independents

while driving off the base...


Dean OTOH is polling the best with Independents as well as with the greens and more left end of the party and the base, whcih Clark will not.

Believe it or not, most hardcore dems and liberals do not like the school of the americas and the support Clark has given to them.

[Gman]

34. whatever

[jpgpenn]

35. That is ok by me

[PSR40004]

38. I wouldn't...

I've been a leaning Dean supporter even if latley I've been having second thoughts about it but there's no way I'd vote clark... I mihgt have to set this one out. My biggest fear...clark as VP keeps me from voting Dem....Just don't like the guy.

[ecstatic]

40. the Dean bashing almost got to me...

At one point, after reading so many negative things about how Dean can't win and will put Bush back in office, I actually thought that maybe Clark was the right guy. The Clarkies can be very persuasive. They have convinced me, however, that a Clark/Dean or Dean/Clark ticket is the only way we can win this thing (since Clark and Dean have the most loyal followers).

[Kool Kitty]

42. I post this all the time and never get an answer or a reply.

I think you get to pick your own candidate. You like things about them, you decide to devote your time/money/talent to getting people to vote for them. Some people you can convince, some you can't. I don't understand all the vitriol I have seen here lately. Personal attacks and all. I think it demeans us. I respect anyone's choice in Democratic candidate. And what if your favorite candidate loses? Are you not going to vote for the one that does get the nom? If my candidate loses, am I not going to vote for the one that gets the nom? I like to think we are going to get behind that nominee, no matter who it is. If we want to get Bush out of the White House, we have to. And we better start paying attention to the House and Senate, too. I think it is five senate seats up for grabs next year. We better all get together and make sure we support all the Democrats next year, no matter what. And stop with all the personal attacks, already. (Don't think I'm directing this at you, Truth, I'm not. I was just too lazy to go back to the top of the thread again.)

[ecstatic]

46. I definately agree. Anybody but Bush but...

the person who wins the Democratic nom has to have won in an honest and fair way. I can't support people who play dirty.

[Kool Kitty]

48. I certainly agree with that.

[zulchzulu]

60. That looks like a crappy baseball team

If I were Clark, I'd want a trade fast.

[MIMStigator]

41. Switched from Dean to Clark and ain't going back. Dean can't win.

nt

[Beaker]

69. same here. the Dr. is OUT.

the General is IN.

[TLM]

90. The General is IN....

4th place.

[kaitykaity]

43. Speak for yourself.

Despite the avatar, I mainly support Dean. (Do a
search on me of you don't believe me.)

I would support Clark in an instant if it weren't
for the Doctor.

[Mz Pip]

45. I did

Sorry, but his supporters are transferable.

MzPip
:dem:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

50. If everyone at DU switched to Clark (or any candidate)...

that would be 30,000 plus votes spread over 50 states. That's 600 votes per state!


Campaigning on DU always makes me laugh.

Now, a good activist e-mail, phone and/or letter campaign is a different thing.

[DemCam]

52. Dean, god love him...can't beat Bush

[TLM]

85. Clark, god love him...can't beat Bush

[mzmolly]

53. Dean WILL WIN!!!

Grrr, WTF is in the Koolaid man? :beer:

[Nicholas_J]

55. Whatever it is

Dean put it there

[Bake]

56. I wonder how many people sounded like this about Dukakis

Yeah, I can just see Dean in a helmet, sitting in a tank . . .

and Bush winning in a landslide.

<WAKING FROM NIGHTMARE>

Bake

[Clark Can WIN]

58. I was once a Dean supporter

briefly thank GOD

Our meetup is thick with Dean defectors.

Your theory is leaking.

[zulchzulu]

61. What kind of grass do you use for your grass roots support?

Obviously it's some bad sheet, bro.

[Crunchy Frog]

63. I started out as a Dean supporter

He's still my second choice and I will have no trouble supporting him if he gets the nomination. I agree that the candidate bashing threads don't convince anyone and probably turn undecided people off. I certainly didn't change my mind because of Dean bashing, but because of genuine information, and my impression of the candidates themselves.

I don't think anybody does their own candidate any favors by bashing someone elses candidate.

[jumptheshadow]

64. Not entirely true

After the disdain some Dean supporters have displayed for older voters, there's a pretty good chance that some people are changing their minds.

After a longstanding debate with one Dean advocate in my life, I finally wooed her. And thanks, your posts helped.

[w4rma]

66. I'm supporting Dean, partially, because my analysis concludes that he has

the best shot at winning the general election against Shrub. My analysis also concludes that his candidacy is best for (rebuilding) the Democratic Party in the long-run.

• I think Lieberman doesn't have a chance at all.
• I think Kerry has burnt too many bridges during this campaign to do well.
• I think Gephardt is uninspiring as a Presidential candidate.
• It is my understanding that Edwards and Clark are trending downwards in the polls, which tells me that conventional wisdom is incorrect concerning their ability to campaign.

[Name removed]

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[leftynyc]

71. I'm not trying to convince Dean

supporters of anything except the truth. He can't beat Bush*. If Dean is the candidate, I will vote for him but get ready for 4 more years of the Chimp.

[YellowDawgDemocrat]

73. I'm not buying it.....Clark is the last guy on my list

Of all the candidates, Clark is at the bottom of my list. I'll vote for him if he should stumble into the nomination. Fortunately, that doesn't seem likely.

There are millions of Democrats who have worked, supported, campaigned, cried and cheered for Democrats over many years. There is no way many of us are going to throw our support for a guy who decided he was a Democrat last week...even then, only after applauding the Republicans just a few months earlier. My loyalty to the party and the people who have devoted a lifetime of effort to institute progressive policies isn't going to someone who took a whiff at the winds of opportunity and tossed his hat in the ring.

[bobthedrummer]

74. This independent Kucinich supporter keeps a sharp eye on Dean

After I vote for Dennis in the 2-17-2004 Wisconsin Primary I may very well help get President Dean elected in November.

[Tom Rinaldo]

75. For Pete's sake back whoever you want to

What do you expect to be going on during an election campaign? Everyone, and I mean everyone, tries to think up persuasive arguments to win votes for their candidate. New votes don't come from people who are already on your side, so you have to reach out to the undecided, and to "soft" backers of current opponents.

By all means follow your personal convictions. If ever you hear a powerful new argument that changes everything, well then your convictions would change, right? If not fight hard, fight fair, I hope to be on the same team with you in the Fall regardless (I will certainly campaign for Dean if he gets the nomination),.

[Cooley Hurd]

79. This Dean supporter will support the democratic nominee...

...whomever it is. ABB!

[robbedvoter]

80. Who's asking you to? Me thinks you doth protest too much.

I won't, I won't - I really, really won't switch - no matter how much I feel the urge... I don't remember anyone proselytizing - other than shoing the strangsth of our guy. We do have deanies spending day and night at our blog - and eventually confessing that they gave in. But no one is shanghaying anyone.

[HFishbine]

81. I will

if he's the nominee.

[eileen_d]

83. Well, the reverse is also true

Clark supporters are not going to switch to Dean (in the primaries, of course... I hope that's what you meant)

"We aren't buying what you're selling." (In fact, several of us did buy Dean at first but kept our receipt and exchanged him for a candidate we have more faith in.)

"You're wasting your time." (Not that it bothers me... it entertains me.)